Just burned my first DL - Club CDFreaks

Hermy_H · 18-12-2004

Using the Benq 1620 B7P9, i just burned a MKM001 (Verbatim) at 2.4 speed. The attached scan looks ok, and it plays perfectly on my PC. What it doesn't do is play on my standalone player, a Sony DVP-NS333, It also doesn't play on a newer model Sony standalone, they both gave the dirty disc error. On a Philips standalone i also get a disc error. I burned the disc with the DVD-ROM booktype. The question is : does anyone have succes with playing DL discs on standalone players (especially Sony)?

*madmax* · 18-12-2004

Not sure what software you used (some have problems) but i found that dvd decryptor worked best for me on dual layer discs..

test123 · 18-12-2004

Why did you not burn at 4x? With that FW you can burn at 4x b/c that makes your 1620 a 1620pro.

Hermy_H · 19-12-2004

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Originally Posted by test123

Why did you not burn at 4x? With that FW you can burn at 4x b/c that makes your 1620 a 1620pro.

These are expensive discs (9.50 euro), so i don't take any risk.

The disc was burned using Nero 6.6.0.3.

Maybe the bitsetting is different on the Benq? I did burn some discs with bitsetting on my NEC3500, and they showed up in CDspeed as DVD-ROM all the way, but the ones burned on the Benq behave different. In CDspeed the disc type is DVD+R DL, shouldn't that be DVD-ROM too? Look at the attachment, that's one burned on my NEC3500 with bitsetting. It clearly says DVD-ROM at "disc type". When you look at the attachment in the first post, it says DVD+R DL, and when you check the disc with Nero infotool it says disc type dvd+R DL - booktype DVD-ROM.

Weird....

**jsl** · 19-12-2004

I have seen many reports of compatibility problems with Nero and DL burning so I would recommend to use something else. If you're backing up a DVD then ISO read - ISO write with DVD decrypter is known to work.

Andrei · 19-12-2004

burning at lower speeds does not guarantee better quality . On the contrary there were reports that slower even produce coasters

Hermy_H · 19-12-2004

Just burned another DL with DVD-decrypter ISO mode. It works!!

to jsl for the golden tip.

uknown1234 · 20-12-2004

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Originally Posted by Andrei

burning at lower speeds does not guarantee better quality . On the contrary there were reports that slower even produce coasters

reason he burned at 2.4x is because that media was rated at 2.4x max speed, so burning it at 4x would just be overspeeding and a slightly bigger risk of failure

*Sapa* · 20-12-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hermy_H

These are expensive discs (9.50 euro), so i don't take any risk.

The disc was burned using Nero 6.6.0.3.

Maybe the bitsetting is different on the Benq? I did burn some discs with bitsetting on my NEC3500, and they showed up in CDspeed as DVD-ROM all the way, but the ones burned on the Benq behave different. In CDspeed the disc type is DVD+R DL, shouldn't that be DVD-ROM too? Look at the attachment, that's one burned on my NEC3500 with bitsetting. It clearly says DVD-ROM at "disc type". When you look at the attachment in the first post, it says DVD+R DL, and when you check the disc with Nero infotool it says disc type dvd+R DL - booktype DVD-ROM.

Weird....

It's an option you set in the preferences for CD speed to show disc type or book type.

sumrtym · 21-12-2004

If I ripped a dvd with dvdshrink (and it removed the layer break), to burn it would I use Sonic RecordNow? I believe it puts in it's own layer break when you burn anyway, right?

Which is superior, that method (or same programs but telling shrink to LEAVE the layerbreak) or doing dvddecryptor ISO read ISO write?

Should I just trash the backup on my HDD? Or is it good to go with the first method?

seaegg · 21-12-2004

Personally I prefer the DVD Decryptor method because then you virtually get the same thing as the original. This leaves it the way it was authored so you don't have to rely on software to calculate the layer break. I've only burned 1 so far and it plays in both my Yamahas, my LG and my son's PS2 with no problems although with the LG there is a definite 1.5 second pause at the layer break.

*Sapa* · 21-12-2004

Standalone compatibilty

You can check DL compatibility using this site where Sony NS-333 is not reported to be compatible. The Philips 737, 620 etc are.

http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers....y=Name&hits=25

18-12-2004	#2 (permalink)
madmax CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,474	Re: Just burned my first DL Not sure what software you used (some have problems) but i found that dvd decryptor worked best for me on dual layer discs..

18-12-2004	#3 (permalink)
test123 CD Freaks Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 137	Re: Just burned my first DL Why did you not burn at 4x? With that FW you can burn at 4x b/c that makes your 1620 a 1620pro.

19-12-2004	#5 (permalink)
jsl CD Freaks Editor Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 510	Re: Just burned my first DL I have seen many reports of compatibility problems with Nero and DL burning so I would recommend to use something else. If you're backing up a DVD then ISO read - ISO write with DVD decrypter is known to work.

19-12-2004	#6 (permalink)
Andrei CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Romania Posts: 413	Re: Just burned my first DL burning at lower speeds does not guarantee better quality . On the contrary there were reports that slower even produce coasters __________________ Nforce4 ---Athlon 64 -3200 I 975X --- Core 2 Duo 6600 Benq DW1620 Benq DW1640 LG H22L

19-12-2004	#7 (permalink)
Hermy_H CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 80	Re: Just burned my first DL Just burned another DL with DVD-decrypter ISO mode. It works!! to jsl for the golden tip. __________________ If it looks too good to be true then it probably is. AMD A64 3200+ "Clawhammer" with Zalman CNPS7000-Cu cooler MSI K8T NEO FIS2R bios v1.7 2x Corsair XMS3200 CMX512-3200C2 v1.2 @DDR400, 2-3-2-6 Sapphire ATI Radeon 9800Pro@9800XT with Arctic Cooling VGA silencer Antec Sonata Lifestyle with Truepower 380W PSU Highpoint RocketRaid 133 with 2x Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 LB 80Gb @RAID0 DVD-RW NEC ND-3500a SOLD DVD-RW BenQ DW1620 B7P9 DVD-RW Lite-On LDW401S@411S FS0F DVD-ROM JLMS XJ-HD166S DB-speedhacked 19" TFT Iiyama Prolite E481S

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21-12-2004	#10 (permalink)
sumrtym CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 37	Re: Just burned my first DL If I ripped a dvd with dvdshrink (and it removed the layer break), to burn it would I use Sonic RecordNow? I believe it puts in it's own layer break when you burn anyway, right? Which is superior, that method (or same programs but telling shrink to LEAVE the layerbreak) or doing dvddecryptor ISO read ISO write? Should I just trash the backup on my HDD? Or is it good to go with the first method?

21-12-2004	#11 (permalink)
seaegg CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Winnipeg, MB Canada Posts: 60	Re: Just burned my first DL Personally I prefer the DVD Decryptor method because then you virtually get the same thing as the original. This leaves it the way it was authored so you don't have to rely on software to calculate the layer break. I've only burned 1 so far and it plays in both my Yamahas, my LG and my son's PS2 with no problems although with the LG there is a definite 1.5 second pause at the layer break. __________________ Frozen Canuck

21-12-2004	#12 (permalink)
Sapa CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,037	Re: Just burned my first DL Standalone compatibilty You can check DL compatibility using this site where Sony NS-333 is not reported to be compatible. The Philips 737, 620 etc are. http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers....y=Name&hits=25 __________________ Benq 1620 B7W9 (retired) Benq 1640 BSPB Benq 1655 BCGB (MCSE) LG 4163B A105 Liteon 1633S@1653S CSOP(retired) Asus 1608P3S@Pioneer111L 8.29 (TDB + ala42's readspeed patch)

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