BenQ burns +R better than -R...NO MORE! - Club CDFreaks

insaneoctane · 16-12-2004

I'm so sick of reading how GREAT the BenQ is "as long as your burning +R"... Well I think it's time to remove that stereotype...
Check out THIS scan and tell me BenQ burns +R better than -R!

sumrtym · 16-12-2004

Is there a difference if you scan it at 8x rather than max, or does it make a difference in reporting?

*Bob* · 16-12-2004

insaneoctane > You should have posted that scan in the NEC forum

I'm very impressed. I have some media to take back to BB. Is that Fuji DVD-R MIJ you are using?

*Bob* · 16-12-2004

sumrtym > 8x and MAX are the same speed in my scans. Still waiting for insaneoctane to say what brand media he used?

*eleewhm* · 16-12-2004

i also wanted to say it...-R burns good

Burn 27 That's -R 8X...TYG02 :love:

Diseree · 16-12-2004

Until B7P9, there is some problem with DVD-R. DW1620(~B7P9) cannot read DVD-R which is burned by Panasonic drive including DVD-RAM video recorder. With B7S9, DW1620 can read it.

Another problem exists. Early PlayStation2 cannot read video DVD-R burned by DW1620.

insaneoctane · 16-12-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolling56

insaneoctane > You should have posted that scan in the NEC forum

I'm very impressed. I have some media to take back to BB. Is that Fuji DVD-R MIJ you are using?

Yes, it's FUJI-branded DVD-R 8x MIJ

vitormsm · 16-12-2004

How about this one? Ridisc (Ritek G04) @ 4x on the BenQ1620 fw B7P9

One of the best -R burns i've seen so far!

*iss* · 16-12-2004

cool I have never used DVD-R media but the local sam's club has 50 pack Fuji DVD-R for 34.95 so I think I might give DVD-R a shot.

Filipe M. · 17-12-2004

Sony DVD-R, 8x Certified, "Accucore" (whatever that means), burned with Philips DVDR1640 @ Benq DW1620 B7P9, DVDDecrypter @16x:

Code:

I 02:15:26 Operation Started!
I 02:15:26 Source File: E:\DVD_VIDEO.MDS
I 02:15:26 Source File Sectors: 2.168.640 (MODE1/2048)
I 02:15:26 Source File Size: 4.441.374.720 bytes
I 02:15:26 Destination Device: [0:0:0] BENQ DVD DD DW1620 B7P9 (H:) (ATA)
I 02:15:26 Destination Media Type: DVD-R (Disc ID: SONY08D1) (Speeds: 2,4x; 4x; 8x; 12x; 16x)
-snip-
I 02:21:13 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:05:47
I 02:21:13 Average Write Rate: 13.857 KB/s (10.0x) - Maximum Write Rate: 21.348 KB/s (15.4x)

*socrates007* · 17-12-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by insaneoctane

I'm so sick of reading how GREAT the BenQ is "as long as your burning +R"... Well I think it's time to remove that stereotype...
Check out THIS scan and tell me BenQ burns +R better than -R!

This is what I've been saying all along. I posted many excellent DVD-R scans and so have others in this forum from our BenQ DW1620s. Our drives are wonderful DVD+R burners and also great DVD-R burners. Did somebody say NEC owners are jealous....

**OC-Freak** · 17-12-2004

Check this out

BenQ DW1620A vs NEC ND-3500AG vs Pioneer DVR-A08XLA.

Media: CMC Magnetics 8x DVD-R (CMC.MAG.AE1)

Write speed: 12x

NEC seems to be the looser here

*Kenshin* · 17-12-2004

I can also say BenQ DW1620 burns DVD-R disks well enough. For some inconsistent problems, no drive is perfect.

*Bob* · 17-12-2004

OC-FREAK > Those scans are in order of your .VS list? As in 1st BenQ, 2nd NEC, and 3rd Pioneer ? I'm going to take back some media to BB this weekend and grab me some -R's if they have any there. MIJ's of course. Runs some tests on my BenQ's just to satisfy my curiosity

**OC-Freak** · 17-12-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolling56

OC-FREAK > Those scans are in order of your .VS list? As in 1st BenQ, 2nd NEC, and 3rd Pioneer ? I'm going to take back some media to BB this weekend and grab me some -R's if they have any there. MIJ's of course. Runs some tests on my BenQ's just to satisfy my curiosity

Yes.

BenQ on top - then NEC and last pioneer.

motomatt · 17-12-2004

b/f teon -R 8x

Metaluna · 17-12-2004

I've found that TYG02@16X looks great IF I scan it on the 1620. But if I take the same disc and scan it in my Liteon SOHW-812S using Kprobe it looks terrible (PI peaking over 100 in some cases, IIRC). So I'm not sure what that's telling me really. I haven't tried the reverse (taking a disc that scans well in the 812s and seeing how it does in the 1620). So I'm still a bit nervous about using TYG02 on this drive at the moment.

*Spartane* · 17-12-2004

Hi Metaluna,

It might be useful if you could post the two TYG02 scans - one read on the 1620 and the other from the same disc read on the 812

**OC-Freak** · 17-12-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metaluna

I've found that TYG02@16X looks great IF I scan it on the 1620. But if I take the same disc and scan it in my Liteon SOHW-812S using Kprobe it looks terrible (PI peaking over 100 in some cases, IIRC). So I'm not sure what that's telling me really. I haven't tried the reverse (taking a disc that scans well in the 812s and seeing how it does in the 1620). So I'm still a bit nervous about using TYG02 on this drive at the moment.

That's normal - BenQ written -R doesn't scan too well in Lite-On drives (especially in the beginning). I don't know why.

But they scan perfect in BenQ and plextor drives, so it's two good results against one questionable...

insaneoctane · 18-12-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by OC-Freak

Check this out

BenQ DW1620A vs NEC ND-3500AG vs Pioneer DVR-A08XLA.

Media: CMC Magnetics 8x DVD-R (CMC.MAG.AE1)

Write speed: 12x

NEC seems to be the looser here

I'd love to know the TIME for these burns as well!

insaneoctane · 18-12-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by motomatt

b/f teon -R 8x

Burned at what speed Motomatt?

insaneoctane · 18-12-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by OC-Freak

That's normal - BenQ written -R doesn't scan too well in Lite-On drives (especially in the beginning). I don't know why.

But they scan perfect in BenQ and plextor drives, so it's two good results against one questionable...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metaluna

I've found that TYG02@16X looks great IF I scan it on the 1620. But if I take the same disc and scan it in my Liteon SOHW-812S using Kprobe it looks terrible (PI peaking over 100 in some cases, IIRC). So I'm not sure what that's telling me really. I haven't tried the reverse (taking a disc that scans well in the 812s and seeing how it does in the 1620). So I'm still a bit nervous about using TYG02 on this drive at the moment.

I know both of you are referring to scans on Lite-on DVD-burners, but here is a transfer graph from my Lite-on DVD-ROM and it has NO issues. This is the scan of the SAME disc that started this thread.

*Sapa* · 18-12-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolling56

OC-FREAK > Those scans are in order of your .VS list? As in 1st BenQ, 2nd NEC, and 3rd Pioneer ? I'm going to take back some media to BB this weekend and grab me some -R's if they have any there. MIJ's of course. Runs some tests on my BenQ's just to satisfy my curiosity

Then just only the quantity sufficient to satisfy your curiosity

Apart from the excellent TY G02, the results of which at 16X I can confirm, other -R work OK but not great and can in general not be overspeeded.

If you have a large stock of -Rs, the Benq will not prevent you from finishing them satisfactorily enough but if you buy new media, it is better to choose +R, (unless it's TY G02) imho.

motomatt · 19-12-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by insaneoctane

Burned at what speed Motomatt?

I used dvdecryptor at max speed average was 9.3 or maybe that was max

*chas0039* · 19-12-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by socrates007

Did somebody say NEC owners are jealous....

Not this NEC owner. I am glad for the good burn scans you are getting, but I have seen nothing here that is any better than my NEC with 32 cent media. I have been getting great burns with + and - all along, RW as well. Sorry to hear you guys don't get good scans with some media on Liteon drives.

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sumrtym CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 37	Re: BenQ burns +R better than -R...NO MORE! Is there a difference if you scan it at 8x rather than max, or does it make a difference in reporting?

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Kenshin CDFreaks Resident Join Date: May 2002 Location: Near Seoul, South Korea Posts: 12,363	Re: BenQ burns +R better than -R...NO MORE! I can also say BenQ DW1620 burns DVD-R disks well enough. For some inconsistent problems, no drive is perfect. __________________ Kill Confucius

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Metaluna CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: New Hampshire, USA Posts: 59	Re: BenQ burns +R better than -R...NO MORE! I've found that TYG02@16X looks great IF I scan it on the 1620. But if I take the same disc and scan it in my Liteon SOHW-812S using Kprobe it looks terrible (PI peaking over 100 in some cases, IIRC). So I'm not sure what that's telling me really. I haven't tried the reverse (taking a disc that scans well in the 812s and seeing how it does in the 1620). So I'm still a bit nervous about using TYG02 on this drive at the moment.

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Spartane CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 576	Re: BenQ burns +R better than -R...NO MORE! Hi Metaluna, It might be useful if you could post the two TYG02 scans - one read on the 1620 and the other from the same disc read on the 812

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