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BenQ / Philips Burner Discuss, bad 1640 burns at CD and DVD Burners forum; I'm using 8x fugi dvd+r media with the media code YUDEN000 T02 I decided to try out the feature for scanning dvd's, and my results are horrible. I'd post a scan, but i haven't let one finish yet, because the PO errors go up so


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Old 23-08-2005   #1 (permalink)
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bad 1640 burns

I'm using 8x fugi dvd+r media with the media code YUDEN000 T02

I decided to try out the feature for scanning dvd's, and my results are horrible. I'd post a scan, but i haven't let one finish yet, because the PO errors go up so high, its kinda pointless to let it finish. I've already passed 60,000 PO errors.

I've heard there can be bad batches of this fuji/taiyo yuden media, but can anyone else think of why my burns are so bad? I'm going to let this scan finish so I can try and post the quality scan later.
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Re: bad 1640 burns

I should also note, I've had this problem with solidburn on/off for recognized discs.
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Re: bad 1640 burns

ok heres the scan of one of my fuji discs. I've checked 3 or 4 now and they are all getting results like this
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Re: bad 1640 burns

What do your other media burn like? Could be a defective drive.
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Re: bad 1640 burns

Some system specs and burning software you are using would help. Looks like you have some things going on in the background as your read speed line is all over the place.(green line in upper graph)
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Re: bad 1640 burns

Prob using PIO mode when he burned.
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Re: bad 1640 burns

I'm using nero 6.6.0.16 i think it is for burning. I have a few background things running. Newsbin is downloading some stuff from usenet. I've got a torrent running. IRC is always on, plus MSN and other stuff.

Intel 2.4mhz processor w/1 gig of ram. radeon 9800pro vid card.

the burner is my secondary master with a 40 gig hard drive as the slave drive.

I hope its not a defective drive. The wierd thing is, you would think the discs wouldn't play very well in my dvd players, but they play fine. I wonder if there is something wrong with the test on my computer?

I've also included a scan of the only other media i've burned with this thing which was my remaining tyg01 discs, which i burned at 4x. Even they come up with errors.
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Re: bad 1640 burns

i checked to see if the drive was in PIO mode already, but its ultra dma mode 2 I believe.
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Re: bad 1640 burns

Put it as secondary master and see.

EDIT: Oops! I misread. Try it without the other hard disk connected.
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Re: bad 1640 burns

Also do you have another drive that you can re scan the first burn you posted. Just to see if the drive has a reading problem. Scan like that usually doesn't play very well in a stand alone player.
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nope, the drive i replaced was an old lg burner, a few years old, long before they began to implement scanning into the drives.

I removed the secondary slave hard drive, and the scans still stink, but are slightly better. I'm going to try to do another burn while the hard drive is unplugged.

I tried to scan discs (tyg02's) that i'd made on the old lg burner, and they were loaded with errors too.

i'm prety suspicious that my problem lies in scanning and not burning.
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nope still get the errors even with the hard drive out, can't figure out what it is, and why the dvds play fine in my standalone player.

wierd.
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Re: bad 1640 burns

Yo-

When you installed the 1640 - did you delete the Secondary channel driver in Device Manager and reboot the system to clear out the old devices leftovers and let XP find the driver and reinstall it as fresh?

If not - then you should - and I second the motion that it is not good to have an optical device on the same channel as a hard drive IMO-

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Re: bad 1640 burns

@Zod, I would suggest to run Nero CD Speed "create data disk" plus Disk Quality scan on YUDEN000T02 and please post both images here.

Where did you buy the Fuji TY?
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Re: bad 1640 burns

is it possible i just need a better IDE cable?
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I tried the delete secondary ide channel from the device manager, rebooted, rebooted again but it didn't make a difference.

as for having a hard drive on that cable as well, i just use the drive for extra storage, i don't access is while i'm burning or anything, and i don't burn anything thats on it

heres the scans via the test disk you requested. oh and i bought the discs at The Source by Cirucuit City in Victoria, BC.
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Re: bad 1640 burns

Are you sure your media aren't faking the TY MID?

Either that, or your drive is completely screwed.
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Re: bad 1640 burns

Quote:
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Are you sure your media aren't faking the TY MID?

Either that, or your drive is completely screwed.
He's using Fuji so it really shouldnt be fake.


Zod- Can you post some transfer rate test? Can you also try using any other type of media, or even scan the media in a different drive to check if there is something wrong with the quality scanning or the burn.

Also when saving the images please do NOT save them as JPEG. Save them as PNG because there will be no quality loss (cause your scans are pretty blurry) and the images will be smaller in size.
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Also try turning off your internet connection, and do not multi task while burning. what model stand alone dvd player do you have, thats amazing .
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its a philips dvp642 dvd player. it also works in my daewoo 5800, but i resurrected that one, using my old lg burner as the loader for the unit.
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and to answer a previous question, i have no other drive that supports scanning dvd's.

on a positive note, the dvd's that i burned also work in the xbox (samsung 605f drive in there).

somethings really fishy if the disc plays in everything without problems, but the scans indicated problems.
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It sure looks like a bad drive to me - I'd be thinking very seriously about returning it for a replacement if it were mine. I've had bad/marginal media before and it's never looked as bad as your scans.

That said, here are a few things to try/consider:

1. Try scanning a pressed DVD (preferably not a movie DVD, due to possible copy protection issues), and see if it does the same thing.
2. Scan your written discs on a friend's system.
3. Scan some discs that were originally written on another burner.
4. Temporarily move your burner to another system to see if the problem goes away.
5. Try changing the white plastic power connecter feeding the burner to another one.
6. Is your computer's power supply producing clean power?
7. I too would like to see a transfer rate test.
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ok i did a transfer speed test, heres the result based on my latest disc which also gets alot of scan errors.

as for scanning on another burner, i'm not sure if i know anyone with a burner with that capability, so it might be hard. I don't really want to have to RMA this thing, but if its a dud, i'm gonna have to mail it back
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oh yah heres the speed transfer test.
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and i'm a few minutes into scanning my alice in chains unplugged dvd, and its hovering around a quality of 97 and no PO errors.
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