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Digital Video Recorder & Home Entertainment Discuss, Dismayed newbie discovers copy protection :( at International Chat: Hardware related forum; I impulsively bought a DVD-VHS combo recorder today (Sony RDRVX555) to replace my ancient old VCR. I do a lot of time shifting, or whatever they call it -- recording stuff on TV (Comcast cable) to watch when I have time. I often work at night when my favorite programs


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Old 23-09-2007   #1 (permalink)
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I impulsively bought a DVD-VHS combo recorder today (Sony RDRVX555) to replace my ancient old VCR. I do a lot of time shifting, or whatever they call it -- recording stuff on TV (Comcast cable) to watch when I have time. I often work at night when my favorite programs are on. I don't duplicate, sell, broadcast, or give away the stuff I record.

So after we get the new recorder hooked up, of course I discovered that most of the stuff I want to record is copy protected. So far I've only experimented with the DVD drive, not the VHS drive, in the new Sony. So I don't know if I'll have the same problem with the VHS.

Is there any way around this? And do all the current DVD-VHS recorders have the same limitation? What about the recorders that have hard drives as well as DVD drives?

I'm considering returning this to the store and just going back to using my old VCR again. That'll record anything.

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Re: Dismayed newbie discovers copy protection :(

Yes, recording pre-recorded VHS will produce the same result on that machine. The Panasonic ES-15/17 might work out better for you. Suggest keeping the old VCR as a source for recording the old VHS to DVD, but you may still need a "video stablizer" to go between them. I have no issues with my own Panasonic, recording from satellite broadcasts. If you don't already have a DVR in your setup, then getting a recorder with a hard drive might be handy, although the cable and satellite receivers with a built in DVR work better.
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Re: Dismayed newbie discovers copy protection :(

I'm not trying to record pre-recorded VHS (at least not at the moment), I'm just trying to record TV (for example, HBO comedy shows).

I just bought the Sony DVD recorder today. The store didn't have any with hard drives.

What's a video stabilizer?
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I'm not trying to record pre-recorded VHS (at least not at the moment), I'm just trying to record TV (for example, HBO comedy shows).
The Panasonic recorders, and Phillips, are doing this with no issues AFAIK. Suggest you visit http://www.avsforum.com/ where you can read up on all this stuff, as well as specific recorders.
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Re: Dismayed newbie discovers copy protection :(

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I'm not trying to record pre-recorded VHS (at least not at the moment), I'm just trying to record TV (for example, HBO comedy shows).

I just bought the Sony DVD recorder today. The store didn't have any with hard drives.

What's a video stabilizer?
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http://www.checkhere22.com/stabilizer/
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The Panasonic recorders, and Phillips, are doing this with no issues AFAIK. Suggest you visit http://www.avsforum.com/ where you can read up on all this stuff, as well as specific recorders.
Thanks. I definitely want to return the Sony recorder -- I was just informed (by the man of the house) that I won't be able to record one program while I'm watching another. He says it's because the Sony doesn't have a tuner.

But as long as I'm going to return the Sony and get something else (with a tuner!), I might as well try to find a model that will let me record whatever's on TV without restrictions.
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Thanks for the link. Looks like these gizmos are just for copying tapes.

I just want to record programs off the TV (on DVDs, not tapes).
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Re: Dismayed newbie discovers copy protection :(

I found out the hard way, It won't even copy tapes if they have a copywrite. My fancy combo is just used to watch with.
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Re: Dismayed newbie discovers copy protection :(

May want to start here:
http://forum.videohelp.com/topic2694...oadcast%20flag

What you're having issues with is probably the copy flag embedded in the incoming source by CGMS(Copy Generation Management System).
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FYI, in case anyone's still reading, I returned the Sony and got the Panasonic DMR-EZ47VK. And it records HBO!

FWIW ...
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FYI, in case anyone's still reading, I returned the Sony and got the Panasonic DMR-EZ47VK. And it records HBO!

FWIW ...
Great, just shows again that Sony has lost it's edge.
I have an LG HDD/DVD recorder and that records everything I throw at it.
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Re: Dismayed newbie discovers copy protection :(

Got a question, I've seen praises for the Grex and Sima DP 5000 and both claim to work with cable or satellite. Is this true and which one is the better model? TIA.
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Re: Dismayed newbie discovers copy protection :(

I tried Sima GoDVD CT-200 on TiVo, DVD recorder, and anything you can possibly imagine and it works like magic! I helps you record everything
Get if off ebay if you cant find it.
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including cable signals? just want to be sure
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including cable signals? just want to be sure
Some cable signals come crypted and with copy protection flags, they cannot get recorded DIGITALLY.
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so then the GoDVD CT-200 isn't what I'd need for cable. That would be my primary use for it. Darn.

I'll have to look into the Grex.
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Lvanett,

Sima GoDVD is exactly like GREX there are no differences.
It is guaranteed to work with cable for sure in fact I just tested it on HBO and it records fine it removes any flags you can imagane. My Advice is go with sima.
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