I can only repeat what I said here:
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.ph...2&postcount=14

Try it yourself: Enable AnyDVD with all options and play the original DVD on your PC with the player software of your choice. You will see, that all subtitles will be present. The "forced" subtitles you are talking about will be shown (in PowerDVD, don't forget to enable subtitle display). End of story.

Success at last!!!

Not having any software on my pc to view dvds I downloaded the trial of powerdvd. Using powerdvd the missing subtitles showed ok when viewing the movie.

So next I cloned the dvd including all menus (as I did earlier). All the english subtitles in the left hand pane and right hand pane were selected (same as previous attempts)

This time I selected the output method to be DVD files rather than dvd writer.
Once the files were created I ran powerdvd using those files and the subtitles still appeared on the pc as required. So I selected the write existing data option in clonedvd and burnt the dvd. When playing the disk in my normal dvd player this time the forced subtitles appear in the correct place, yippee.

I still don't know why that method works and going straight to a dvd backup doesn't work though.

Thanks for everybodys help.

@ Guisboro,

Glad to hear that you were able to get everything figured out.

The method you detailed above is an excellent way to test your backup before recording to blank DVD media but if you are setting up CloneDVD correctly there is no need to add the extra “DVD Files” step.

Best Reguards,
bjkg

PS – I hope Forum Member Mark Dudman stops by and can comprehend the steps used by Forum Member Guisboro to enable Sub-titles in his DVD backups.

bjkg,

I'm still in the dark as to which part of clonedvd is setup incorrectly regarding these forced subtitles though, as I didn't alter any settings from the ones that failed. I'll just have to make sure I use that route of backing up when forced subtitles are present in a movie.

If there aren't any forced subtitles everything works perfectly going straight to disk, rather than creating the 'dvd files'.

cheers everyone.

I usually write to files first to check the result (picture quality, stream selection), then I use "write existing data" to write to disk if I am pleased with the result, but CloneDVD makes no difference between creating DVD files or writing straight to disk. In fact, it always creates dvd files in the temporary directory before writing, "straight to disk" is just a combination of the two steps.

Tru,

Thats the point I was trying to make and didn't understand why it now worked ok.

Thinking about it again, between the backup that worked and the ones that didn't work, a new version of clonedvd became available and so I downloaded it. I wonder if anything changed in clonedvd to help?

It Doesn't really matter anyway as I'm happy now.

I believe this explains the problem:

Version 2.8.9.2: 2006 02 28
- Fix: Individual Stream selection was broken (bug introduced
in CloneDVD 2.8.8.1)

Thanks Guisboro.
Alas like me you're mystified as to the inconsistency regarding forced sub-titles. It follows no logic, and has not convinced me to buy CloneDVD .
But thanks for assuring me someone else has the same problem

creating the second thread was well worth the effort.

Mark,
I thought you had problems with 1-click and not CloneDVD? There IS NO SUBTITLE PROBLEM in AnyDVD, as you suspected in your initial post.
There was a problem in CloneDVD for a couple of days which was fixed:

Version 2.8.9.2: 2006 02 28
- Fix: Individual Stream selection was broken (bug introduced
in CloneDVD 2.8.8.1)

It's not the same problem at all. What Guisboro's problem did illustrate is that Anydvd is working properly.

I think you will find, in the end, that it will work correctly "going straight to disk" as you put it. It's your methodology that is flawed. I think that you made your selections incorrectly the first time around.

Worth and experiment? Do not make ANY selections in the left hand pane on the CloneDVD track selection page: make ALL your selections in the right hand pane. Confirm that those right pane selections are indicated in the left pane but do not click in this left area ... just use it as a confirmation readout.

Also, I suspect for this movie (and many movies), you must check "Preserve Menus" on the page before the track selections page. For two thread pages of postings to amass for such a simple problem, I have to assume that your movie(s) has been authored with a "Video Manager" that matrixes all sound and subtitle tracks through the menu structure. You must preserve menus for correct, default sub & sound functionality! ... menus generally don't take up much data space.

I like that you approach the problem by learning to use CloneDVD/AnyDVD correctly. The OP wants to be "convinced" and grabs onto Guisboro's learning curve to justify a preset opinion based on his unwillingness to buy CloneDVD himself. We're not salespeople, we just help people who want to use a program that works. I have never encountered a movie that CloneDVD couldn't backup with perfect functionality. Sometimes movies are oddly mastered and i had to experiment a bit. Or wait a day for AnyDVD to update against a new protection. DVD43 ... are you kidding me?! I guess 1-Click is ok, some are still using it. The OP's problem is that he encountered a movie that was authored differently than he was used to and 1-click could not handle it. AnyDVD is not the issue here. And if the OP is worried about "shelling out" $39 then he has chosen the wrong hobby. That's one spindle of blank disks!

Whisperer

@ Whisperer1,

Why waist you time and effort with a Forum Member Mark Dudman who has clearly displayed that he has totally and completely made up his mind that both the AnyDVD and CloneDVD software products are unable to properly display his sub-titles even when presented with overwhelming evidence to the contrary. He is totally unwilling to admit to the famous “User Error” syndrome that is most probably related to Centophobia.

Best Regards,
bjkg

Whoh, bjkg ... Centophobia? hadda look dat one up!

I feel that there is a long term factor with many new members who resist advice or even behave belligerently (not this OP, he's just one-track stubborn) toward members who have been backing up & giving advice since the early days. Eventually they realize that there is something to be learned on cdf and later they become contributing members who really help other members in turn. A transformation, of sorts, to fit-in comfortably after realizing that different personality types and opinions are often also valid. And that it is really not a threatening group here on cdf.

I know of two threads started by newish members who adamantly refused advice that their problem was Memorex or other bad media. Posts, for example reading like:

listen you jerk ... don't post back at me if all you are going to say is switch media ... it's NOT a media issue! a disk is a disk right? ...so get off it!

There is nothing wrong with Imation disks ... they have always worked for me before ... get off the media thing and fix CloneDVD!! Imation works with Nero so why not ...

etc etc. Those two members are now advising others with what they learned. So it often all comes around full circle in the end. I try not to be ... too ... rude. Because the guy is probably gonna be a friend later down the line. The most common personality type to fight advice is the control personality type, who, by behavioral characteristic, feels he has to form a solid opinion quickly and act on it and protect himself from any possibility that anyone else would realize that it was a wrong decision. And who wants the one best reason ... now ... for why he is being challenged as wrong! A control personality is a valid personality type that we need for leadership roles but later in their lives when their control behavior has been modified by mistakes, reason, family love, empathy and all the other parts of life that are not part of control types. Young leaders are the worst! But I suspect I have gone off topic quite a bit here and I digress ... sorry, I get carried away sometimes.

Whisperer

Whisperer, the secret is revealed. He used different CloneDVD versions, one with the "click streams on the left and you are dead" bug.

Tru,
Ya, I saw your previous post and I went back reading all Guisboro's posts and couldn't find mention of what version he was using. Might have missed it. I figured you were just taking a shot at what version he was using. I think I'll stop mentioning the "left click ... your dead bug" until I have confirmation that the poster is using v.2.8.8.1 and hasn't updated. It was only a one day problem as I remember, after James was able to duplicate the scenario. But it stuck in my mind.

Why the flood of Audio and Subtitle track threads & postings in the last month? Never remember this many such postings. Nothing changed in CloneDVD except for that one day. Getting functioning default tracks correct on a backup just seems like common sense to me.

Whisperer