lafjax,
Thanks for clarifying. That's what i figured from your wording. mgdking used CloneDVD to rip again (albeit ISO mode) and it is going to produce the same error.

Would like to see mgdking use the Explorer copy method if he is of a mind to help a bit more. He doesn't have to actually go to burn and waste a disk since he already got his backup. But will he get a valid copy via drag and drop without the error is my question. But I suppose your success is enough to go on.

Whisperer

ok here is the info from anydvd.
Summary for drive D: (AnyDVD 5.8.2.1)
Drive (Hardware) Region: 1

Media is a Data DVD.
Booktype: dvd-rom (version 1), Layers: 2 (opposite)

Video DVD (or CD) label: THE_CONSTANT_GARDENER
Media is CSS protected!
Video Standard: NTSC
Media is locked to region(s): 1!

RCE protection not found.
DVD structure appears to be correct.
Found & removed invalid VOBUs!
Autorun not found on Video DVD.
Bad sector protection not found.
Emulating RPC-2 drive with region 1!

so when you copy and paste just the video ts folder do you get the audio as well using the windows method?

I am copying and pasting the video ts folder now. I would rather do this when I dont have all my other programs running but just to see whats up I will do it this way and if it works Ill open msconfig and shut down my programs. Then do this method and try to burn it with clonedvd. So when I go to burn this off my hard drive (if it works) do I need anydvd running still?

I was able to burn this with the windows method worked great. I used anydvd in backround. Then i burned it with clonedvd worked great. Just could not do it any other way other then this way. I must say I have done a lot of movies and have never run into this! But anyways thankyou Whisperer1 for all your help maybe this is something that needs to be updated maybe not who am I to jugde? Maybe I will look for the next dvd that is made by focus and universal and see if I get the same problem.

And a big thanks to you because now others will know how effective the "Write Existing Data" method is. I don't know for sure if this is the only reason that the method was writen into the CloneDVD software but it SURE does resolve many ripping errors such as:

video_TS/vts_XX_X.vob:read error

video_TS/vts_XX_X.vob XX tcsector reader

video_TS/vts_XX_X.vob:read error
data error (cyclic redundancy check)

etc, etc

due to original manufacturing defects, scratches, dings, flaws etc

Thanks again and best regards,
Whisperer

Yes, the Audio Folder is just a legacy from the early days of DVD authoring. Don't know why they still include it on modern originals. You don't need it to get a successful backup. Just the entire Video_TS folder.Unless you have alot of conflicts on your machine or programs popping into execution etc, I don't think you have to shut everything down. But you know your machine best. I built a stand alone (no web connection) dedicated box (with only my few beloved backup programs) which I use for the sole purpose of protecting my purchase-investment in DVD movies. So I don't experience conflicts.AnyDVD has no fuction during the burning stage, the movie was decrypted as it was copied to your HDD already. It neither hurts not helps to have it running during the burn.

Summary for drive D: (AnyDVD 5.8.2.1)
Drive (Hardware) Region: 1

Media is a Data DVD.
Booktype: dvd-rom (version 1), Layers: 2 (opposite)

Video DVD (or CD) label: THE_CONSTANT_GARDENER
Media is CSS protected!
Video Standard: NTSC
Media is locked to region(s): 1!

RCE protection not found.
DVD structure appears to be correct.
Found & removed invalid VOBUs!
Autorun not found on Video DVD.
Bad sector protection not found.
Emulating RPC-2 drive with region 1!



this is how i backed up my copy of 'the constant gardner'....

i did it a real easy way....anydvd/dvd shrink = no problemos.....


go figure?

I just wanted to say one more thing I forgot to mention. After I used the windows method to get it to my hard drive I did not use the "Write Existing Data" method it would not let me (clonedvd). It told me to use the other two options so I used movie only with only the the english 5.1channel. Also I have read in so many places that things like antivirusus, firewalls, etc... can cause your media to freeze skip things of that nature. In witch I have incountered. And all I use is Tys from supermedia store and burn at 2x speed. These are the things that give me perfect results. So usually disable mine and a few other things I wont need to burn movies. Anyways sorry I did not mention this before whisperer1 and thanks again.

CloneDVD2 + AnyDVD did the trick first time for me with no issues.

ditto
no problem

as to the others
just amazing

i just wanted to say that any time i encountered a disc read error in CloneDVD2 (TC, Cyclic..etc), i was never able to copy the files to the HD as a workaround...ever

i have backed up several hundred discs and have come across this issue dozens of times - very annoying trying to take back an X-Files season and wanting the store to open and only swap the one disc, for fear of getting another box set with a different disc bad (happened to me 3 times with Fellowship of the Ring)

so i was wondering what your success rate on average was with this method?, as mine is zero

MensaBoy322,
My success rate has been 100%. But it only happened perhaps 4-6 times out of 2000. If it has happened to you "dozens" of times, you have a whole other problem. Fellowship of the Ring was a breeze.

Slow down your rips by setting AnyDVD to "Slow and Quiet" for your ripping drive. If that doesn't work do the same for your burning drive and rip from the burner rather than your ripping drive. Writer drives are optimized for burning not ripping and are inherently slower at ripping than a DVD-ROM drive no matter what the manufacturer's specs say.

It is my belief that manufacturing defects are rare. Many posters believe otherwise, but I think it is a "easy avenue" cop out. A high percentage of disk exchanges get home and still the replacement won't copy for a whole other reason other than defects. Then they use the write existing data method and presto it works. Probably the first disk would have worked too.

Also, you seem to state that these are purchased, new disks. If there is a possibility that you are getting the originals from another source (for heaven's sake don't state it) and they are scratched, of course that is a big issue when it comes to ripping.

Whisperer

Whisperer,

some are pressed DVDs and some are not, take the burned discs out of the equation and i would guess that leaves 6 or so out of 400+

in all cases an attempt was made to rip from the burner after the combo drive failed, and in all cases the failure occured in the same VOB, AND in all cases an attempt to copy that VOB to the HD failed with a cyclic error

in all cases but one the first replacement of the disc from the retailer solved the issue


i just tried to rip the "but one" disc that i couldnt back up(or replace) before - and it went through perfectly

i have since replaced both drives (formerly a Sony CRX320E combo and a Memorex +/-16x DL (rebadged 3520 i beleive)) with an NEC 3550A and a LiteON 1693S, and havent had a read error while ripping a pressed DVD - so perhaps my issues with it are history

as for the burned DVDs that still dont rip (tried a couple anyway) i would guess that they are indeed errors on the disc i wont be able to fix

File 0 C:\PROGRAM FILES\ELABORATE BYTES\ CLONEDVD2\eraser\PAL\VIDEO_TS\VIDEO_TS.IFO 3 TCE error cannot copy this movie, i've tyryred ever suggested noted on this form.

You probably deleted or damaged the contents of the "eraser" directory in the CloneDVD program directory. Reinstall CloneDVD, this will solve the problem.

I just wanted to say that Ive also successfully used AnyDVD and Windows Explorer to copy Constant Gardner to my HD then shrink it with CloneDVD2. It was seemingly stuck the first time around, but after spotting the file causing most of the problems (VTS_01_6 in my case), I tried ripping it by itself, which took awhile but worked great. Then I ripped the rest of the DVD the same way minus the one file. Most of my other shrink programs work too now that its been ripped to the HD.

I just wanted to thank Whisperer for all of the info in this thread, its quite a valuable resource. I've copied around 300+ dvd's, and I still learned quite a lot reading through this thread. So in closing thank you.