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BrinLondo · 19-07-2006

I use Any DVD version 6.0.3.1 and an NEC DVD-RW to burn DVD'S. I have NERO 6.6.0.15. I want to know if Any DVD can de-code movies downloaded from CinemaNow? If so, is there something I need to know to burn these movies to DVD's. I'm still a bit of a novice but I have used Nero to backup many of my titles. Thanx BrinLondo, (Wolverine before Wolverine was Wolverine)

*Tru* · 19-07-2006

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Originally Posted by BrinLondo

I use Any DVD version 6.0.3.1 and an NEC DVD-RW to burn DVD'S. I have NERO 6.6.0.15. I want to know if Any DVD can de-code movies downloaded from CinemaNow? If so, is there something I need to know to burn these movies to DVD's. I'm still a bit of a novice but I have used Nero to backup many of my titles. Thanx BrinLondo, (Wolverine before Wolverine was Wolverine)

From what I heard (I haven't tested this myself):
1. Disable AnyDVD
2. Use CloneCD (not DVD) to make a copy

haveacigar · 19-07-2006

umm i dont think so.. if you have downloaded them anydvd wont do anything, as it decrypts dvd protection, and most likely the file you have downloaded is protected with drm. Try tunebite pro... its the only program i know of to remove drm

*Dr. Who* · 19-07-2006

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Originally Posted by haveacigar

umm i dont think so.. if you have downloaded them anydvd wont do anything, as it decrypts dvd protection, and most likely the file you have downloaded is protected with drm. Try tunebite pro... its the only program i know of to remove drm

correct

jasonwc · 20-07-2006

Cinemanow recently has begun offering downloads which can be burned to create a standard DVD-Video compliant disk that will play in any standalone DVD player. If this is the case, they are pretty restricted in the type of DRM which can be used. I think I'm going to download their sample movie and see what copy protection methods are used.

jasonwc · 20-07-2006

I thought the service sounded interesting so I went to their site and read more about the service. Rather than re-encoding the movie in MPEG-2 with a high quality encoder such as CCE, CinemaNow distributes the movies as 1.4 GB DivX files. The Cinemanow software than re-encodes the divx file to mpeg-2 which takes 2-5 HOURS. I've excerpted portion from CinemaNow's site:

Excerpted from : [http://www.cinemanow.com/burn_howitw...spx?grpid=550]

"Download and Burn
The first part of the burning process is Converting the file into a format that can be burned. This can take anywhere from 2-5 hours and happens as you download the file. After the converting is done, the DVD will automatically burn which usually takes 10-15 minutes. As with downloading, you can always minimize the screen and do other things while this goes on."

Once the DivX file is converted to DVD compliant MPEG-2 vob files the DRM should be removed. Otherwise it would be unplayable in a standard DVD player. The question is why someone would pay $10 to download a 1400 MB DivX file and then spend 2-5 hours re-encoding to MPEG-2 when they could purchase the commercial DVD that has superior video quality. If they're going to offer download to DVD movies, they have to have high quality MPEG-2 encodes. I think the people considering this service expect more than they can get from Bittorrent.

*DaChew* · 20-07-2006

15$ for scent of a woman, who are they kidding?

Nephilim_2001 · 02-08-2006

But what is the quality of their conversion software? And do you only pay for the film downloads - ie, is the software free?
I've tried the free version of DivXtoDVD from VSO and it wasn't very good - the sound went very quiet and the picture went dark.

dwm4444 · 03-08-2006

Just saw this on BoingBoing:

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CinemaNow's Burn-to-DVD DRM is irresponsibly defective
An anonymous optical disc R&D engineer wrote to me with news of CinemaNow's "Burn to DVD" system. This is the system that lets you burn a DVD from your downloaded CinemaNow Windows DRM videos.

The engineer recently reviewed the "Burn to DVD" specification and found that the system has been designed really badly -- so badly that it's likely that DVDs burned with CinemaNow are likely to fail in many commercial DVD players.

The system is based on the deliberate introduction of errors caused by Digital Sum Value (DSV), a sum that represents the ratio of land to pits on the surface of the DVD. The DVD spec notes the possibility of DSV errors and instructs implementers to take care to avoid them, as these errors can cause a host of problems with reading and playing discs.

My source notes that the introduction of DSV errors is indiscriminate and uncontrollable -- the multitude of possible combinations of DVD burners' chip-sets, blank media, and other variables means that any attempt to introduce DSV errors will produce unpredictable outcomes.

The engineer tried burning Burn-to-DVD discs with a variety of test-bench equipment and found that many of his burners failed entirely, and of those that succeeded, many produced unplayable, error-ridden discs.

For the "successful," marginally playable discs, the news is still bad, since those discs will already be at the limit of their players' error-correction threshold, so that minor scratches and dust would render them useless.

My source also believes that this technique infringes on several patents, including this one.

My source sums it up neatly in this outraged paragraph: "I'm against people being fleeced by this kind of crap. How can you sell someone content on media that is so heavily compromised, especially on a format that so heavily relies upon its error correction system to maintain playability? It's mind boggling!" (Thanks, anonymous engineer!)

Update: Tian sez, "Recently, my local news crew has tested out the service and found it to be crap. I have also wrote about the crappy service especially CinemaNow's Burn To DVD's DRM. Even though my local news crew was able to burn one DVD successfully, CinemaNow's "one copy only" DRM can be easily defeated."

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Nephilim_2001 · 04-08-2006

so, not so good then.

19-07-2006	#1 (permalink)
BrinLondo New on Forum Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 2	cinema now downloaded movies I use Any DVD version 6.0.3.1 and an NEC DVD-RW to burn DVD'S. I have NERO 6.6.0.15. I want to know if Any DVD can de-code movies downloaded from CinemaNow? If so, is there something I need to know to burn these movies to DVD's. I'm still a bit of a novice but I have used Nero to backup many of my titles. Thanx BrinLondo, (Wolverine before Wolverine was Wolverine)

19-07-2006	#3 (permalink)
haveacigar CD Freak Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: UK Posts: 2,087	Re: cinema now downloaded movies umm i dont think so.. if you have downloaded them anydvd wont do anything, as it decrypts dvd protection, and most likely the file you have downloaded is protected with drm. Try tunebite pro... its the only program i know of to remove drm __________________ The answer to your question is here http://www.alanmonger.co.uk

20-07-2006	#5 (permalink)
jasonwc CD Freaks Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 166	Re: cinema now downloaded movies Cinemanow recently has begun offering downloads which can be burned to create a standard DVD-Video compliant disk that will play in any standalone DVD player. If this is the case, they are pretty restricted in the type of DRM which can be used. I think I'm going to download their sample movie and see what copy protection methods are used.

20-07-2006	#6 (permalink)
jasonwc CD Freaks Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 166	Re: cinema now downloaded movies I thought the service sounded interesting so I went to their site and read more about the service. Rather than re-encoding the movie in MPEG-2 with a high quality encoder such as CCE, CinemaNow distributes the movies as 1.4 GB DivX files. The Cinemanow software than re-encodes the divx file to mpeg-2 which takes 2-5 HOURS. I've excerpted portion from CinemaNow's site: Excerpted from : [http://www.cinemanow.com/burn_howitw...spx?grpid=550] "Download and Burn The first part of the burning process is Converting the file into a format that can be burned. This can take anywhere from 2-5 hours and happens as you download the file. After the converting is done, the DVD will automatically burn which usually takes 10-15 minutes. As with downloading, you can always minimize the screen and do other things while this goes on." Once the DivX file is converted to DVD compliant MPEG-2 vob files the DRM should be removed. Otherwise it would be unplayable in a standard DVD player. The question is why someone would pay $10 to download a 1400 MB DivX file and then spend 2-5 hours re-encoding to MPEG-2 when they could purchase the commercial DVD that has superior video quality. If they're going to offer download to DVD movies, they have to have high quality MPEG-2 encodes. I think the people considering this service expect more than they can get from Bittorrent.

20-07-2006	#7 (permalink)
DaChew CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,279	Re: cinema now downloaded movies 15$ for scent of a woman, who are they kidding? __________________ Chewy

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02-08-2006	#8 (permalink)
Nephilim_2001 CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 44	Re: cinema now downloaded movies But what is the quality of their conversion software? And do you only pay for the film downloads - ie, is the software free? I've tried the free version of DivXtoDVD from VSO and it wasn't very good - the sound went very quiet and the picture went dark. __________________ "No witty quote." AMD Athlon 64 3200+; 1.5GB DDR 400 PC 3200 Ram; Gigabyte GA-K8NS Pro Motherboard; 2 x 200 GB Maxtor 7200 HDD w/ 8 MB Buffer; 128 MB ATi Radeon 9800SE AIW; AOpen 1648 AAP Pro (for rippin'); NEC ND3500A DL DVD (for Burnin')(350+ discs burned to date and only 2 coasters ); Windows XP Pro SP2; 5.1 surround sound.

04-08-2006	#10 (permalink)
Nephilim_2001 CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 44	Re: cinema now downloaded movies so, not so good then. __________________ "No witty quote." AMD Athlon 64 3200+; 1.5GB DDR 400 PC 3200 Ram; Gigabyte GA-K8NS Pro Motherboard; 2 x 200 GB Maxtor 7200 HDD w/ 8 MB Buffer; 128 MB ATi Radeon 9800SE AIW; AOpen 1648 AAP Pro (for rippin'); NEC ND3500A DL DVD (for Burnin')(350+ discs burned to date and only 2 coasters ); Windows XP Pro SP2; 5.1 surround sound.

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