E-mailed Slysoft about backing up Cinderella Man (US) Version. Please do not try to back-up until a new version of AnyDVD is released.

Using 5.5.5.1
2.8.5.1 <--------(If you don't know what this is...don't bother asking

Why? Would you enlight us? What happened? Did your drive explode?

I guess this is the second major Ripguard movie. Does the movie Rip at all? If it does, then you can probably correct the problems. Try ripping to the HD first if you are not already.

Cinderella Man is a 'Miramax Universal' Release & Madagascar was 'Dreamworks'. I guess it's not just Sony bringing out the Big Guns lately.

It is Universal that owns Dreamworks, so I guess it is just Universal and the Porn industry that is bringing out the big guns.

@Smoke123,

Did you try to rip this movie using only DVD Decrypter? I have read many articles and posts in other forums where this was the only ripping tool needed for Ripguard. Also, since Macrovision is forcing some sites like AfterDawn to remove the software Download, it makes sense.

If Decrypter can rip the movie, then there should be no major problems with compressing or burning. The same is also true, if you can get it to your Hard Drive using AnyDVD. I am pretty sure that the problem in these Ripguard movies lie in the extra PGCs of the main movie VTS. For Madagascar these were PGC 2, 3, 4, & 5 in VTS_08.

If this is also the case for Cinderella Man, then use VobBlanker to blank out the Extra PGCs.

Recieved this e-mail from slysoft:

Hello,

Thank you for your message.

Do you copy the movie with AnyDVD 5.5.1.1. and CloneDVD 2.8.5.1.? Then please send us the CloneDVD error log, too.

He states the anydvd version as being 5.5.1.1 (WTF!) Is there another version or was this probably a typo on his part. O-well hopefully support will fiqure this movie out.

Sorry homie, but i'll stick to slysoft products only.

Hmm, AnyDVD & CloneDVD copy RipGuard just fine, so I doubt that is the problem. But why speculating... I think it is very frustrating to read posts like

This says absolutely nothing. Could be everything, even a defective DVD-ROM.

Not, if you don't provide a little more info than "doesn't work".

TRU you need to chill man.....I e-mailed slysoft on the error. It was a TCS error so relax. Slysoft will come in here and report the errors. I forgot the exact error. CloneDVD2 will only go up to 44-46% then will quit. I know what i'm talking about ok.

Here I am. You reported this error:

File 1 D:/VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_4.VOB 23 TCSectorReader

As VTS_01_4.VOB is in the middle of the movie, it is extremly unlikely to be a copy protection.

Conclusion: The disc or your drive is defective. Try to use a different drive for reading, or get a replacement disc.

Where did you get your USA version of Cinderella Man?

It will Not be released on DVD until December 6th, 2005.

i can't speak for the original poster, but often times rental chains get their dvds weeks in advance and employees are allowed to rent them in advance so they can better serve their customers when the movies are released.

that being said, i often backup my prestreets if i plan on buying a copy when the film does come out.

i'm not sure where that falls as far as legalities and the strictness of rules in this forum, but often times it's the video store employees you can partially thank for getting IFO files to slysoft and having an update for everyone else by the release date of the movie!

EvERyThing said was true... copy protection is in the middle. Beautiful aint it?

Really? I had no problem making a backup of this movie. Ok I haven't watched the copy yet, but your posts got me kind of paranoid so I threw it in and just did an analysis in shirnk to kind of watch it in fast forwar and see if it would choke on it. It looks fine though.
I used Alcohol 120 to make an image of the disk and then encode in DVDRB. What is wierd, and I've never seen this before, is this disc has is a flipper only one side is a dual layer dvd-9 and the other 'special features' side is a dvd-5.

the other strange thing about it is that instead of having print around the hub on both sides of the dvd like a normal flipper, there's 2 rings of print around the hub on side a.

i work at a video store and had a customer bring the dvd back today to say he got a defective one that doesn't have the features, but sure enough i flipped it over to what looks like the "wrong" side, and there they were. (well not right there...they were present after i put it in the dvd player of course!)

i thought that design was sort of strange though.

I bought this today. There doesn't appear to be anything unusual about this dvd (R1 widescreen). Having the film on one side, and the extras on the other side of a "flippy" has occurred a number of times in the past. Haven't watched it yet, but I understand it is an excellent film (which is why I bought it, obviously).

yes but flippers are usually sl or dl on both sides...this one has one dl side and 1 sl side.

also flippers usually have print on both sides of the disc indicating which side has the movie and which side is the bonus stuff. this disc has two rings of print around one side and nothing on the other. just weird is all.

I also had the same problem with Cinderella Man US Version Full Screen.
It would give an error in DVD Shrink about in the middle while running open disc, tried DVD Decrypter got an error also, tried One Click and it did many retries on a bad sector, used ANYDVD 5.6.1.1 still no luck, maybe the Disc is bad? I will get another one and then try it out tonight.

Mister D

With CloneDVD2 and AnyDVD I am getting the same TCSectorReader error as was previously posted above.

I have tried lots of programs now with no success:
1) CloneDVD2 v2.8.5.1 and AnyDVD v5.6.1.1
2) DVD Fab Platinum (Gold Mode) v2.9.6.2 (tried this with AnyDVD off)
3) 1Click DVD Copy v4.2.9.2
4) DVD Decyrypter v3.5.4.0 (tried this with AnyDVD off)
5) DVD Shrink 3.2.0.15

1) CloneDVD2 can't even get started.
Error is: Processing error
E:/VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_4.VOB read error
Data error (cyclic redundancy check)
Details: File 1 E:/VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_4.VOB 23 TCSectorReader
Log:
===============================================
I 11:39:08 Processing started
D CloneDVDVersion: 2.8.5.1
D Layer break removed at 1 locations
I 11:39:08 Successfully removed layer break
D TCEngineConfig:
D inputPath: F:/VIDEO_TS
D outputPath: D:/CloneDVDTemp/VIDEO_TS
D replacementVOBsPath: C:\Program Files\Elaborate Bytes\CloneDVD2\eraser
D CloneConfig:
D targetVOBBlocks: 2288777
D remux: 0
D noStreams: 0
D RemasteringConfig:
D TitleConfig:
D title: 1
D angle: 1
D streams.audio: 00000001
D streams.subpicture: 00000000000000000000000000000001
D firstPlay: 0
D menus: 0
D supportStreamAutoSelection: 1
D filterUnreferredCells: 1
D tcArgs:
D samples: 5
D stats: 0
D scanOnly: 0
D pictureExtraction: 1
D DVDCompilerConfig:
D ecc: 0
E 11:39:19 Processing stopped: F:/VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_4.VOB: read error
D Error details: File 1 F:/VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_4.VOB 23 TCSectorReader



2) DVDFab Platinum hangs 50% of the way through (tried this with AnyDVD off)

3) 1Click DVD Copy hangs 50% of the way through

4) DVD Decrypter hangs 50% of the way through (see log below)

5) DVD Shrink can't even get started. Hangs about 53% of the way through Analysing. Also of note: It says that the disk isn't even encrypted (even with AnyDVD not running).
Error is: Data error (cyclic redundancy check)

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

DVD Decrypter Log:
=================================================
I 10:02:11 DVD Decrypter Version 3.5.4.0 started!
I 10:02:11 Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
I 10:02:11 Initialising SPTI...
I 10:02:11 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 10:02:12 Found 1 DVD-ROM and 1 DVD±RW!
I 10:02:28 Operation Started!
I 10:02:28 Source Device: [1:1:0] _NEC DVD_RW ND-3520A 1.04 (E (ATA)
I 10:02:28 Source Media Type: DVD-ROM
I 10:02:28 Source Media Region Code: 1
I 10:02:28 Source Media Copyright Protection System Type: CSS/CPPM
I 10:02:28 Source Media Implementation Identifier: Daikin U.S. Comtec Lab
I 10:02:28 Destination Folder: D:\CINDERELLA_MAN\VIDEO_TS\
I 10:02:28 File Splitting: By File
I 10:02:28 Detect Mastering Errors: No
I 10:02:28 Multi Angle Processing: No
I 10:02:28 Remove Macrovision Protection: Yes
I 10:02:28 Stream Processing: No
I 10:02:28 Copying VIDEO_TS.IFO... (LBA: 307 - 318) - KEY: N/A
I 10:02:29 Copying VIDEO_TS.VOB... (LBA: 319 - 100813) - KEY: N/A
I 10:03:42 Copying VIDEO_TS.BUP... (LBA: 100814 - 100825) - KEY: N/A
I 10:03:42 Copying VTS_01_0.IFO... (LBA: 100826 - 100873) - KEY: N/A
I 10:03:42 Decrypting VTS_01_0.VOB... (LBA: 100874 - 139327) - KEY: C0 09 53 E8 18
I 10:04:09 Decrypting VTS_01_1.VOB... (LBA: 139328 - 663400) - KEY: C0 09 53 E8 18
I 10:09:05 Decrypting VTS_01_2.VOB... (LBA: 663401 - 1187572) - KEY: C0 09 53 E8 18
I 10:12:55 Decrypting VTS_01_3.VOB... (LBA: 1187573 - 1711835) - KEY: C0 09 53 E8 18
I 10:16:10 Decrypting VTS_01_4.VOB... (LBA: 1711836 - 2236042) - KEY: C0 09 53 E8 18
W 10:23:08 Failed to read Sector 2014112 - No Seek Complete
E 10:25:04 Failed to read Sector 2014113 - No Seek Complete
E 10:25:04 Failed to decrypt VTS_01_4.VOB!
I 10:25:29 Getting decryption key from File: VTS_01_1.VOB...
W 10:25:30 File: VTS_01_5.VOB - Using decryption key from File: VTS_01_1.VOB
I 10:25:36 Decrypting VTS_01_5.VOB... (LBA: 2236043 - 2760137) - KEY: C0 09 53 E8 18
E 10:28:00 Failed to read Sector 2236043 - No Seek Complete
E 10:28:00 Failed to decrypt VTS_01_5.VOB!
I 10:28:06 Copying VTS_01_6.VOB... (LBA: 2760138 - 3284359) - KEY: N/A
I 10:32:29 Copying VTS_01_7.VOB... (LBA: 3284360 - 3808632) - KEY: N/A
I 10:37:15 Copying VTS_01_8.VOB... (LBA: 3808633 - 3887332) - KEY: N/A
I 10:38:06 Copying VTS_01_0.BUP... (LBA: 3887333 - 3887380) - KEY: N/A
I 10:38:06 Copying VTS_02_0.IFO... (LBA: 3887381 - 3887389) - KEY: N/A
I 10:38:08 Copying VTS_02_0.VOB... (LBA: 3887390 - 3887393) - KEY: N/A
I 10:38:11 Copying VTS_02_1.VOB... (LBA: 3887394 - 3965238) - KEY: N/A
I 10:39:05 Copying VTS_02_0.BUP... (LBA: 3965239 - 3965247) - KEY: N/A
I 10:39:06 Copying VTS_03_0.IFO... (LBA: 3965248 - 3965256) - KEY: N/A
I 10:39:12 Copying VTS_03_0.VOB... (LBA: 3965257 - 3965260) - KEY: N/A
I 10:39:14 Copying VTS_03_1.VOB... (LBA: 3965261 - 3973945) - KEY: N/A
I 10:39:20 Copying VTS_03_0.BUP... (LBA: 3973946 - 3973954) - KEY: N/A
I 10:39:20 Copying VTS_04_0.IFO... (LBA: 3973955 - 3973963) - KEY: N/A
I 10:39:22 Copying VTS_04_0.VOB... (LBA: 3973964 - 3973967) - KEY: N/A
I 10:39:24 Copying VTS_04_1.VOB... (LBA: 3973968 - 3984265) - KEY: N/A
I 10:39:31 Copying VTS_04_0.BUP... (LBA: 3984266 - 3984274) - KEY: N/A
I 10:39:31 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:37:03
I 10:39:31 Average Read Rate: 2,913 KB/s (2.1x) - Maximum Read Rate: 6,010 KB/s (4.3x)

A flipper with DL on both sides is called a DVD-18 (Ted Turner's Gettysburg was released on a single DVD-18 disk). Don't know what you would call a flipper that was SL/DL. A DVD-13.5? (;-) Probably DVD-14.

The first issue of the Alfred Hitchcock Presents: Season 1 was 3 DVD-18 disks. Consumers had so many complaints about the defecive disks not playing or skipping and freezing that season 1 was reissued as 6 DVD-9 disks which is what you get now if you order the series from Netflix. Maybe its just so many layers to bond together that manufacturing tolerances and quality control were beyond the manufacturing contractor's capability. And the studio probably went with the lowest bid for DVD production. Consumers got free replacements and the studio fired the factory in Mexico that produced them.

I wonder if manufacturing quality is indeed responsible for some of you getting a backup and some of you not. In other words some of you got good disks and some of you got flawed originals. Or some of your ripper's optics or tracking capabilities read the bonding method better than others... no matter which backup software you are using. Interesting protection scheme: 1/2 of you are knocked out of the backup game due to manufacturing method (if this be truth).

BTW, if some of you (who had a backup nightmare with this movie) could sit through watching the original completely on their player, I wonder if it would shed some light on this being the problem for many of you. Some of you could do it on standalones and some of you could do it on their computer based players using the same ripper drive as the backup failure. You should be looking for freezes, or playback glitches like pixellation or "jumping". Only the posters with backup problems need apply. Also, and i might have missed a posting, did the SL side of the flipper backup ok?

Whisperer1,

I think I agree with your theory that some of the discs are being manufactured poorly. The only thing that kind of bothers me is that I and another person had the same exact error:
D:/VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_4.VOB 23 TCSectorReader

Could just be coincidence.

I tried to rip it last night and I got exactly the same problem!

I tried everything, AnyDVD+ CloneDVD2 (latest version), DVDDecrypter, AnyDVD+Shrink, AnyDVD + Recode 2, I even tried to copy the files to my hard drive, but it always failed for the same reason...

D:/VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_4.VOB 23 TCSectorReader

I had no problem with AnyDVD/ CloneDVD2. Try doing a discan of the original with Cd/dvdspeed. Poorly manufactured discs are more common than you think, and it sometimes can be a whole batch or lot that has the same defect at the same point.

Hello Folks,

I recently made a backup copy of the Commercial DVD Movie Title Cinderella Man (USA) (Movie Only–No Menu) using AnyDVD v5.6.1.1– CloneDVD v2.8.5.1 without any problems.

Best Regards,
bjkg