I thought it was just licencing issue?

Maybe, but who knows? I don't think so, as ASPI stayed in all 9x versions. If Microsoft really had wanted it, they would have gotten it, I am pretty sure.

And - not to forget - ASPI doesn't really fit well into NT. ASPI lacks essential functions like "OpenTarget" and "CloseTarget".

Yes, this can all be worked around, but it is ugly and difficult (see BSOD with Adaptec ASPI after controller removal)

You know i have been following all of the above.. SPTI, ElbyCDIO, ASPI, SCSI...etc.etc.. All I can say, it's all Greek to me!

Stelios

P.S. As long as I can make a DVD copy with simple procedures, thats fine with me.

Very interesting discussion, while I did not understand everything in this thread, I understood much of it. For most people I agree that adaptec ASPI shouldn't be needed, but here is some programs that I don't know if will work.

I'll try if other aspi layers works, but in the meantime do other have experience with these programs with other ASPI layers?

-Exact Audio Copy (I think I used it with the Nero ASPI without problems some time ago).
-CD-R Identifier 1.63 (I know this one wants adaptec ASPI, at least it is looking for some ASPI entries in the registry).
-K-Probe 1.1.23/1.1.26

All these programs is programs I use almost every day......

Some interesting discussion here about ASPI.

Honest opinion, I agree with this. I am a hobby programmer and don't want to waste my time learning to write a driver. The problem is that no one offers a free download or some kind of GNU license of such a driver for non commercial use. I don't want to refer people to download demos of certain products just to use their ASPI driver.

By the way Adaptec sucks - v4.60 doesn't even see SCSI drives on W2K/XP - I was forced to refer people to use latest version.

> Honest opinion, I agree with this. I am a hobby programmer and don't want to waste my time learning to write a driver. The problem is that no one offers a free download or some kind of GNU license of such a driver for non commercial use. I don't want to refer people to download demos of certain products just to use their ASPI driver. <

This is a valid point.

So we need either:

1. A freeware ASPI Layer for Windows NT/2000, which works fine and stable

2. A freeware alternative to soemthing like ElbyCDIO

Both have their pro- and cons:

1. A really complete replacement of the Adaptec ASPI is a Nightmare, because it *MUST* open the controllers directly. The reason is simple: NT(2000, XP, ...) has devided its peripherals into "Device Classes", like Scanners, CD-ROMs (this includes DVD-ROMS and Writers), Harddisks, etc.
ASPI is per design a "Bus" Interface (hence the name Advanced SCSI Programmer's Interface), so old Applications designed using ASPI may try to send commands to Scanners, Harddisks, CD-ROMs, ... via the Interface.
SPTI on the contrary works on Device Classes, in fact all SPTI commands must be directed through the devices class driver.

So, when designing an ASPI->SPTI converter, you must somehow enumerate the devices. Which classes do you include? Only CD-ROM class? (Well, someone who uses ASPI to write Scanner Software may really recommend Adaptec ASPI )

AFAIK ASPI has some strange notification methods from the Windows 3.1 days, which are still supported. (I believe Adaptec ASPI still supports 16 Bit Applications?)
The question is - how much effort must go into a "free ASPI Layer". If you only support a small subset of the original ASPI and restrict yourself to a specific device class like CD-ROM, this is pretty easy to do.

2. Well, having a "good I/O layer" for free without the old compatibility burden from the past would be indeed a good thing, but here you have the problem of writing at least a 9x driver.
BTW, ElbyCDIO only offers access to CD-ROM class devices (hence the name), so the security problems aren't as bad as I first thought in one of my previous posts.

Conclusion: A free ASPI layer would be nice, but would encourage peaople to use this ancient interface. It would probably be not as compatible to all applications as the Adaptec ASPI.
A freeware "modern" I/O layer for all Windows platforms would be better, but is much work, and who is willing to do that?

Wow. I'm digesting.

For those interested, VOB Software's ASAPI can be gotten here ftp://ftp.steinberg.net/download/pc/...ates/ASAPI.exe
Version: 30.09.2002

Which is better? > anydvd

coz its simpler and easier to use.

both are available as demos so try away m8 and make your own mind up

That's an absurd answer. How can AnyDVD be any easier than DVD R-F? They both just sit in the background and work automatically when you do a transcode or use a player. There are few settings for either program and they both come defaulted to normally optimum settings. In other words they are both equally simple and easy to use.

I happen to use DVD R-F and it works perfectly for me. I also read that others use AnyDVD and that works perfectly for them. So, I guess I'd have to go along with your second advice and say to try them both and make your own decision.

This may sound stupid, but how do you get both to run at the same time?

I am assuming that because region free is constantly running that it works in conjunction with anydvd or clonedvd!

Am I assuming correctly??

Great info here. Read the link through if you'd like to consider one over the other.

Please excuse my poor english

I often use cdrdao or cdrecord (i also own i license of clonecd) on a command shell. Í know that it is possible to use cdrdao with nero aspi, but i didnt find any parameter, to tell cdrdao the right aspi driver.

How can i install another Aspi Layer (like Nero Aspi) on my windows xp in a way, that cdrdao recognizes the nero aspi without any special parameters ?

Or can you recommend any other ASPI ?

I just tested latest DVD Region-Free 3.20, and it's working fine for me. It seems that DVD Region-Free is very easy to use, I just install it and there isn't anything I need do.

I have already purchased Any/dvd and I have the demo of DVD-region free. At the moment it has been good to have DVD -region free as it has not hiccupped on a single film while AnyDVD has pulled up lame on a film here and there. I am guessing I should have demoed both longer and then went with the most reliable. I expect both are good products...I do think AnyDVD latest versin has a few issues with perfectly good region one DVD's. Perhaps another revision will fix these?

The Adaptec ASPI is WNASPI32.DLL in the sytem folder (I have 4.5.7 (1008) 47.0 KB (48,128 bytes). The ahead WNASPI32.DLL is smaller in size and resides in the Nero folder. PaRaDoX reports success by just copying the ahead version into system32 but he does not have Adaptec's ASPI installed.

Do cdrdao or cdrecord use SPTI? ElbyCDIO.dll is also a shell as is VOB's ASAPI

he he just noticed you have a link to this thread, in this thread!

i can't get both anydvd and dvd region free to work with intervideo dvd copy........strange

so i rip them with dvd decryptor first and then use other software to do the rest



anydvd and dvd region free work both for me..except dvd copy of course as mentioned above

Yes, sometimes the obvious ... is not!

When using AnyDVD, make sure, that "Safe Mode" is disabled. Please consult the context help of AnyDVD safe mode.

ty Olli i will try again, i believe i have tested all settings. But i will try to know for sure

Hi damiandimitri,

Please contact with me at fengtao@dvdidle.com, and I will help you to fix the problem.

Best Regards,
Fengtao

ty , both of you, for the help.

I am re=installing stuff right. But afther that i will re-test some stuff

Hi Olli and Fengtao

ok..tried the first software........anydvd 2109 (the last version) works now with InterVideo DVDCopy, afther i re-installed windows

in the next days (think the weekend) i will try dvd region free

Damian

Well I cant get Region Free and CloneDvd(Latest versions) to work together,I keep getting error message that clonedvd cant copy css encoded disks.

Anydvd works fine though.

Any help appreciated.


DracUK

Hi DracUK,

Please try to uninstall and reinstall the latest version of DVD Region-Free 3.21 at http://www.dvdidle.net/download/DVDRegionFree32.exe or http://www.dvdidle.com/download/DVDRegionFree32.exe to see the result.

If the problem still exists, please contact with me at fengtao@dvdidle.com

Best Regards,
Fengtao