Pio 112D Craps Layer 2 in MKM 003 :( - Club CDFreaks

achemen · 22-02-2008

Burnt these from a New MKM 003 Verb 8x MIS

Burnt @ 6x,Scanned on BenQ 1650 @ 8x

I get Identical Results

wats going wrong ?

**Arachne** · 22-02-2008

I'm not big with BenQ (8ECC) scans, but that looks OK to me.

I always get a little more PIE/PIF on the second layer of even Verbie DL discs.

achemen · 22-02-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arachne

I'm not big with BenQ (8ECC) scans, but that looks OK to me.

I always get a little more PIE/PIF on the second layer of even Verbie DL discs.

First Layer Burns Are Sweet

2nd Layer tends to crap up

i am suing the F/W that came with the Pio 112D

should i flash to something else ?

achemen · 22-02-2008

Some More Results:

**DrageMester** · 22-02-2008

Your "crap" is what I'd call two very good DL burns.

*KTL* · 22-02-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by achemen

2nd Layer tends to crap up

i am suing the F/W that came with the Pio 112D

You got to be kidding right?

Did you even try to play the discs back?

**Arachne** · 22-02-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by achemen

First Layer Burns Are Sweet

2nd Layer tends to crap up

i am suing the F/W that came with the Pio 112D

should i flash to something else ?

I agree with the others, your burns are not crap. Try a TRT and some playback; if it passes both with flying colours then you have nothing to worry about.

If you're looking at the Quality Score, don't. Ignore it.

*Albert* · 22-02-2008

Yeah, I gotta say, those look like two really nice burns. I haven't seen too many better than that.

I'm thinking YOU'RE thinking that the second layer should be as good as the first layer. Nope. Always gets a bit worse. Just how much worse it gets is important, and, in your case, it doesn't get much worse at all. Seriously.

Womi · 23-02-2008

These are two very good burns

jcusimano2 · 23-02-2008

Yes, these aren't bad you can't compare these to YUDEN000T02 scans because they won't compare. I've just come to realize that MKM00x is good media for dvd backups it just doesn't scan so goos sometimes but I truly think it is a fault in DL scanning because they do last & playback very well.

achemen · 23-02-2008

Worried about the PIE

dont know why there is so much spiking with such good media

**Arachne** · 23-02-2008

PIE is just fine for the last burn, as it is with your other burns, IMO.

Please listen to what myself and others have said about the second layer.

*Albert* · 23-02-2008

Really, your PIE is VERY good! PIE will ALWAYS increase at the layer break.

What you have there is good for a lot of SINGLE layer discs.

Jitter looks great for a BenQ scan. PIE looks great for a BenQ scan. PIF looks great for a BenQ scan. Basically, you have a really good to great burn.

If you don't believe us, look through these threads to see how other burns on DL media have turned out [keep in mind that different drives never scan exactly the same, and that different manufacturers' drives scan differently from one another oftentimes]:

MKM DVD+R DL
CMC DVD+R DL
RiTEK DVD+R DL
RICOH DVD+R DL
Fake RICOH DVD+R DL

I hope that, after looking at those other scans, you realize you have some of the BETTER/BEST scans out there.

I'm pretty sure those discs would play in a lot of drives/devices.

*pinto2* · 23-02-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by achemen

Worried about the PIE

dont know why there is so much spiking with such good media...

Perfect DL burns.

You can have PI eror spikes hitting 300-400 on second layer and the DL disc will still play well on most standalones. (Some of my MKM001 8x burns reach 600 without playback problems.)

Quote:

...I'm pretty sure those discs would play in a lot of drives/devices.

achemen · 23-02-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Albert

Really, your PIE is VERY good! PIE will ALWAYS increase at the layer break.

What you have there is good for a lot of SINGLE layer discs.

Jitter looks great for a BenQ scan. PIE looks great for a BenQ scan. PIF looks great for a BenQ scan. Basically, you have a really good to great burn.

If you don't believe us, look through these threads to see how other burns on DL media have turned out [keep in mind that different drives never scan exactly the same, and that different manufacturers' drives scan differently from one another oftentimes]:

MKM DVD+R DL
CMC DVD+R DL
RiTEK DVD+R DL
RICOH DVD+R DL
Fake RICOH DVD+R DL

I hope that, after looking at those other scans, you realize you have some of the BETTER/BEST scans out there.

I'm pretty sure those discs would play in a lot of drives/devices.

thnx

i was Worried If Spending A Premium on this media was All Worth

these are more Expensive than MKM 001,i wanted Sure Shot MIS Disc so went for this

also i got my pio 112D Just for DL burning

so happy some justice is made

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinto2

Perfect DL burns.

You can have PI eror spikes hitting 300-400 on second layer and the DL disc will still play well on most standalones. (Some of my MKM001 8x burns reach 600 without playback problems.)

thnx pinto for ur advice,its always great to hear from u

22-02-2008	#1 (permalink)
achemen CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 437	Pio 112D Craps Layer 2 in MKM 003 :( <a href='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a13febf7&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE' target='_blank'><img src='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/avw.php?zoneid=30&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE&n=a13febf7' border='0' alt='' /></a> Burnt these from a New MKM 003 Verb 8x MIS Burnt @ 6x,Scanned on BenQ 1650 @ 8x I get Identical Results wats going wrong ?

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Arachne Senior Moderator & Reviewer Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Keeping my media stash safe. Posts: 25,364	Re: Pio 112D Craps Layer 2 in MKM 003 :( I'm not big with BenQ (8ECC) scans, but that looks OK to me. I always get a little more PIE/PIF on the second layer of even Verbie DL discs. __________________ Current drives: Samsung SH-S203N (SB02 patched) + Pioneer DVR-115D (1.06) + Optiarc AD-5170S (1.12) + Litey LH-20A1H (LL0D) + Samsung SH-S182D (SB06 RPC1) x2 + Litey SHM-165P6S (MS0R) + LG E10N (JE07) + BenQ DW1650 (BCDC) x2 + Litey SHW-1635S (YV6P) x2 + BenQ DW1640@164B (BEFB) + LG 4167B (DL13 TDB) + Samsung SH-S162L (TS08) + NEC ND-4551A (1.Z2) + LG GCE-8520B (1.00) + LiteOn SOHR-5239S (2S0B) Retired: LiteOn LDW-851@SOHW-832 + LiteOn SOHW-1693S + LG 4163B My Review PCs How to delete your upper and lower filters : How to check/enable DMA by Womble Click here to join cdfreaks.com and be part of our friendly community! The CDFreaks Distributed Computing Teams need YOU! Join the Team(s) and help save some lives! Read more here

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23-02-2008	#9 (permalink)
Womi CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 472	Re: Pio 112D Craps Layer 2 in MKM 003 :( These are two very good burns

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23-02-2008	#11 (permalink)
achemen CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 437	Re: Pio 112D Craps Layer 2 in MKM 003 :( Worried about the PIE dont know why there is so much spiking with such good media

23-02-2008	#12 (permalink)
Arachne Senior Moderator & Reviewer Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Keeping my media stash safe. Posts: 25,364	Re: Pio 112D Craps Layer 2 in MKM 003 :( PIE is just fine for the last burn, as it is with your other burns, IMO. Please listen to what myself and others have said about the second layer. __________________ Current drives: Samsung SH-S203N (SB02 patched) + Pioneer DVR-115D (1.06) + Optiarc AD-5170S (1.12) + Litey LH-20A1H (LL0D) + Samsung SH-S182D (SB06 RPC1) x2 + Litey SHM-165P6S (MS0R) + LG E10N (JE07) + BenQ DW1650 (BCDC) x2 + Litey SHW-1635S (YV6P) x2 + BenQ DW1640@164B (BEFB) + LG 4167B (DL13 TDB) + Samsung SH-S162L (TS08) + NEC ND-4551A (1.Z2) + LG GCE-8520B (1.00) + LiteOn SOHR-5239S (2S0B) Retired: LiteOn LDW-851@SOHW-832 + LiteOn SOHW-1693S + LG 4163B My Review PCs How to delete your upper and lower filters : How to check/enable DMA by Womble Click here to join cdfreaks.com and be part of our friendly community! The CDFreaks Distributed Computing Teams need YOU! Join the Team(s) and help save some lives! Read more here

23-02-2008	#13 (permalink)
Albert CDFreaks 'Dogbert' Resident Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,958	Re: Pio 112D Craps Layer 2 in MKM 003 :( Really, your PIE is VERY good! PIE will ALWAYS increase at the layer break. What you have there is good for a lot of SINGLE layer discs. Jitter looks great for a BenQ scan. PIE looks great for a BenQ scan. PIF looks great for a BenQ scan. Basically, you have a really good to great burn. If you don't believe us, look through these threads to see how other burns on DL media have turned out [keep in mind that different drives never scan exactly the same, and that different manufacturers' drives scan differently from one another oftentimes]: MKM DVD+R DL CMC DVD+R DL RiTEK DVD+R DL RICOH DVD+R DL Fake RICOH DVD+R DL I hope that, after looking at those other scans, you realize you have some of the BETTER/BEST scans out there. I'm pretty sure those discs would play in a lot of drives/devices. __________________ Non-members: Free yourselves! >>>>Join CD Freaks!<<<< \|\|\| Members: Glad to have ya here! Read the forum rules, use your common sense, & we'll all get along just fine. Generic Responses For Newbies 101 Generic Responses For Newbies 102 "Alcohol is a major cause of a lot of DVD problems." [Source] And you thought that it was just bad to get intoxicated. Common interest: My media stash as of 9-19-08.

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