First look: Pioneer Blu-ray BDR-101A - Club CDFreaks

*Kenshin* · 23-08-2005

http://www.dvdrwinfo.net/bbs/zboard....d_review&no=70

I'm not sure if everybody already had Blu-ray drives because I couldn't access a PC frequently during the recent few weeks so ignore this thread in that case. A South Korean optical burner site, DVDRWinfo.net, released a "preview" for Pioneer's first PC Blu-ray drive BDR-101A yesterday. The full review will be published later. The sample Blu-ray unit was provided by MIS Korea, the usual Pioneer optical product distributor in South Korea. The unit supports Blu-ray and DVD only. It doesn't support CD and Toshiba group's opposing standard HD-DVD. Made in Japan. No date, no price.

One of the pictures linked in the page:
http://www.dvdrwinfo.net/bbs/data/we...2477589118.jpg

I looked at the CDFreaks.com's main news page and Pioneer forum's first thread list page and couldn't find a similar topic. There must be some people reading this who are testing BDR-101A at this very moment. Good luck, Pioneer.

agentk7 · 23-08-2005

Did I read that right, the BD-R writing capacity is only 2x in DVD writing terms?

This would mean it would take about 2.5 hours to burn one BD-R.

I certainly hope that's just current prototype parameters or it's 2x in BD-R terms, with 1x representing the equivalent of maybe 8x DVD (similar to how 1x DVD=8x CD-R).

I swear I read somewhere that BD-R burns are supposed to be 30min to an hour for the initial release drives.

*Kenshin* · 24-08-2005

Can you read Korean? Where does it say 2x DVD speed in BDR-101A? Official Blu-ray specification includes 1x, 2x, 4x... recording speed and 2x speed means 72Mbps which is 9MB/s. 2x DVD speed is a little over 2.7MB/s.

*ErikDeppe* · 24-08-2005

Some screenshots:

agentk7 · 24-08-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenshin

Can you read Korean? Where does it say 2x DVD speed in BDR-101A? Official Blu-ray specification includes 1x, 2x, 4x... recording speed and 2x speed means 72Mbps which is 9MB/s. 2x DVD speed is a little over 2.7MB/s.

I definitely do not speak Korean. I was referring to the chart that showed BD-RE, BD-R speeds in KB. It listed the BDR-101 as 2x (2,770KB/s) for the "BD-RE" and "BD-R" spec.

Obviously, it was a typo on the chart (the KB/s).

*madmax* · 24-08-2005

23 GIG in 45 minutes very good

*Kenshin* · 24-08-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by agentk7

I definitely do not speak Korean. I was referring to the chart that showed BD-RE, BD-R speeds in KB. It listed the BDR-101 as 2x (2,770KB/s) for the "BD-RE" and "BD-R" spec.

Obviously, it was a typo on the chart (the KB/s).

That chart was probably written by someone who's new to Blu-ray. ErikDeppe's obviously already experienced with real Blu-ray.

agentk7 · 24-08-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenshin

That chart was probably written by someone who's new to Blu-ray. ErikDeppe's obviously already experienced with real Blu-ray.

45 min for 23 gigs is perfect. That's basically the equivalent of about 5 and a half DVD-R discs at 8x speed but there''s no hassle changing discs, etc.

Now if the blank media can be had for $3-4 US each (at least initially), it will definitely be worthwhile.

I'm concerned that blank media might be expensive for a while. Look at the cost of dual layer discs....

*Wesociety* · 24-08-2005

Hmmm 51x read/write speeds for what media? ( Nero InfoTool screenshot )
It doesn't support CD so that can't be it...

Erik, any chance that you could also post some 16x DVD+R/-R graphs?

Thanks for the screenshots!

agentk7 · 24-08-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wesociety

Hmmm 51x read/write speeds for what media? ( Nero InfoTool screenshot )
It doesn't support CD so that can't be it...

Erik, any chance that you could also post some 16x DVD+R/-R graphs?

Thanks for the screenshots!

According to the specs, it only supports 8x DVD writing. I think this is an acceptable compromise considering the early Pioneer 4x DVD burners only supported 16x CD writing.

*Wesociety* · 24-08-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by agentk7

According to the specs, it only supports 8x DVD writing.

Ahh ok, thanks for pointing that out.

Code:

모델명
	

PIONEER BDR-101A

가격
	

미정

사후 지원
	

-

제조사
	

PIONEER

제조사 홈페이지
	

http://www.pioneer.co.jp/

수입 / 공급원
	

(주) MIS상사

공급원 홈페이지
	

http://pioneerkr.com/

인터페이스
	

ATAPI / E-IDE(PIO Mode4/Multi Word DMA, Mode2/Ultra DMA Mode4)

버퍼메모리
	

BD 8MB / DVD 2 MB

미디어 로딩방식
	

자동 트레이 로딩방식

미디어 장착방식
	

수평 / 수직 장착 가능

드라이브타입
	

내장형

BD-RE
	

기록 속도
	

2X ( 2,770KB/sec )

읽기 속도
	

2X ( 2,770KB/sec ) CLV

BD-R
	

기록 속도
	

2X ( 2,770KB/sec )

읽기 속도
	

2X ( 2,770KB/sec ) CLV

DVD+R
	

기록 속도
	

8X ( 11,080KB/sec ) ZCLV

읽기 속도
	

8X ( 11,080KB/sec ) CAV

DVD+RW
	

기록 속도
	

4X ( 5,540KB/sec )

읽기 속도
	

6X ( 8,310KB/sec ) CAV

DVD+R DL
	

기록 속도
	

2.4X ( 3,324KB/sec )

읽기 속도
	

6X ( 8,310KB/sec ) CAV

DVD-R
	

기록 속도
	

8X ( 11,080KB/sec ) ZCLV

읽기 속도
	

8X ( 11,080KB/sec ) CAV

DVD-RW
	

기록 속도
	

4X ( 5,540KB/sec )

읽기 속도
	

6X ( 8,310KB/sec ) CAV

DVD-R DL
	

기록 속도
	

2X ( 2,770KB/sec )

읽기 속도
	

6X ( 8,310KB/sec ) CAV

DVD-RAM
	

기록 속도
	

-

읽기 속도
	

-

BD-ROM
	

읽기 속도
	

2X ( 2,770KB/sec ) CLV

DVD-ROM
	

읽기 속도
	

single 8X / dual 12X CAV

CD-R
	

기록 속도
	

-

읽기 속도
	

-

CD-RW
	

기록 속도
	

-

읽기 속도
	

-

CD-ROM
	

읽기 속도
	

-

엑세스 타임
	

CD : 125 ms / DVD : 145 ms / DVD-RAM : 175 ms

제품무게
	

　1.1kg

제품크기
	

148(W) × 42.3(H) × 198(D) mm

지원 포멧
	

  BD single/dual layer

  Single Layer BD-RE (Version 2.0)

  Single Layer BD-R (Version 1.0)

  DVD single layer / dual layer / 120 mm disc / 80 mm disc

  DVD-R (in case of write, 650nm disc for General only.)

  DVD-R (1X, 4X, 8X Write Speed)

  Dual Layer DVD-R (DVD-R DL)

  DVD-RW (1X, 2X, 4X Write Speed)

  DVD+R (2.4X, 4X, 8X Write Speed)

  Double Layer DVD+R (DVD+R DL)

  DVD-RW (2.4X, 4X Write Speed)

호환 형식
	

 

베젤/트레이 컬러
	

 Beige

LED 컬러
	

Green

특징
	

LCD Tilt Servo Mechanism, DRA (Low vibration)

내용물
	

 

필요 OS 환경
	

Windows(R) 2000, Windows(R) XP Home, Professional(SP2)

최소 사양
	

 

권장 사양

elec999 · 24-08-2005

Anyone got any clue whats the pricing or what would pricing be like, on blueray disks. And will they give a hard time finding quality media , like dvd media did.
Thanks

KRomeleoN · 24-08-2005

no cd burning! thats weak.

i know everyone will say "buy a cd burner" but in all honesty some people only want 1 optical drive.

shimman · 24-08-2005

according to the comments on that korean site, it seems like the bd disk is around 30usd/disk...not sure but that is probably for the bd-re single layer; will skip bd until things settle down especially the disk price. for 30usd/disk is not acceptable. for that price i would get hdd;

since the recording layer is only 0.1mm from the top, i wonder how reliable bd will be without the cartridge

i wounder how hd dvd will be priced...hope that hd dvd will be priced far below as the hd dvd laser pickup will be cheaper & disk will be cheaper, too....maybe plextor will release hd dvd burner as 802a

**H3rB3i** · 24-08-2005

Kenshin, thanks for sharing this with us.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shimman

according to the comments on that korean site, it seems like the bd disk is around 30usd/disk...not sure but that is probably for the bd-re single layer; will skip bd until things settle down especially the disk price. for 30usd/disk is not acceptable. for that price i would get hdd;

Indeed the price sounds to be very high, but when we consider the price per GB then it doesn't look that expensive to me.

US $30 per 25GB BD-R(E) = US $1.2/GB
US $8 per 8.5GB DVD+R9 = US $0.94/GB
US $0.8 per HQ DVD+R 4.7 = US $0.17/GB

As you see, the price per GB is for BD not much higher than the price per GB for a DVD+R DL and there is no real massproduction for BD at the moment. I guess that the price per GB will drop far below the DVD9 prices.

Ok, the price per GB is 6 times higer than for a high quality DVD+/-R but we must also look onto the amount of discs which are sold per year.

so I don't think that the prices are that high.

P.S. shouldn't this thread be moved to the BD forum?

*Kenshin* · 24-08-2005

Nobody at DVDRWinfo.net knows exactly how much BD-R media cost at market launch time. Neither does MIS Korea who's just a minor distributor of optical storage products. Sony and Pioneer probably have better guesses because they know most about Blu-ray and the relevant technologies. The 30 USD per disk price is about the usual cartridge rewritable type Blu-ray media. It's much simpler to make write-once Blu-ray media without the protective cartdridges. My prediction: much lower than US$3 per disk by the time when Blu-ray PC drives will have been in the market for about 3 months. Even US$1 is just too much for write-once type products to stay in the market and justify all the cost of R&D and mass-production. But the leading makers like Mitsubishi Chemical will surely suggest like US$1 initially.

I haven't seen anyone inside the optical industry who thinks people won't buy Blu-ray because of high cost. It's for the mass not professionals or rich nobles.

I'd like an SATA drive that can read and write both Blu-ray and HD-DVD. Backward compatibility with DVD and CD is much less important to me. This notebook PC I am typing in right now doesn't have any optical or floppy drive. But it has 2 USB 2.0 ports, 1 SD memory slot, 1 Gigabit LAN port, etc. The internet can do much better than conventional DVD now due to its ubiquity of recent times which wasn't the case when DVD was first being produced for consumer market. The drive needs to be small and light enough for a 1.5kg subnotebook that is also less than 1 inch thick.

*Kenshin* · 24-08-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by H3rB3i

Kenshin, thanks for sharing this with us.
...
P.S. shouldn't this thread be moved to the BD forum?

I posted this here since it's very specific to Pioneer and I thought the fact that a PC Blu-ray drive has already been introduced to the public for mass sales means it's no longer a special area. I mean each brand-specific subforum should be ready to accept Blu-ray and/or HD-DVD beginning now.

DVD recording was also specially dealt with when CD recording was the norm and most CDFreaks people and even most of CDFreaks moderators didn't have a DVD recordable device but the DVD recording hardware forum ultimately absorbed (or was absorbed into) the various CD recording subforums like Lite-On forum and Plextor forum. It seems Blu-ray and HD-DVD are coming to end users much faster than DVD-RAM, DVD-R(W), and DVD+R(W) were.

**H3rB3i** · 24-08-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenshin

I posted this here since it's very specific to Pioneer and I thought the fact that a PC Blu-ray drive has already been introduced to the public for mass sales means it's no longer a special area. I mean each brand-specific subforum should be ready to accept Blu-ray and/or HD-DVD beginning now.

Good point

*Namoh* · 24-08-2005

Does this mean this drive will be released soon.

*Kenshin* · 24-08-2005

I hope so but I don't know why MIS Korea received the sample unit this early. They usually don't let pre-release drive knowledge to the public.

Though 2x Blu-ray is already fast compared to 4x to 8x DVD (considering it's one disk of over 20GB and works like ZLV DVD), I hope 4x, 8x, and faster speeds will soon become available.

*Wesociety* · 24-08-2005

At CES, a Philips Engineer demo'ed a CD/DVD/BR drive for us.
He claimed that 2x BluRay recording would be the supported speed upon retail launch ( only 1x was available for the demo ).

*Kenshin* · 24-08-2005

My consipiracy theory says they want to keep speeds as low as possible while staying not too behind of competitors in order to maximize profits. Philips surely had 8x to 16x DVD+R long before actual retail release but better release 16x after 12x after 8x after 6x after 4x after 2.4x... from marketing point of view.

So Pioneer's going to release BDR-101A first, and then BDR-102A, BDR-103A, BDR-104A... and BDR-110A (supporting 16x Blu-ray, 16x HD-DVD, and 8x dual-layer Blu-ray) in 2010.

*kwkard* · 24-08-2005

Oh I want one now!! I am really looking forward to the new optical disc formats. Not so much hd-dvd as blu-ray. I can't wait to be able to store 23gb on a single disc. I also can't wait for movies in HD so I can really put my tv to good use.

*Namoh* · 24-08-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wesociety

At CES, a Philips Engineer demo'ed a CD/DVD/BR drive for us.

I hope the Pioneer will read and write CD's through a firmware update, although it's not meant as a CD-writer.

*code65536* · 24-08-2005

Hubba hubba hubba! This is so cool. Thanks for the heads-up, Kenny!

Now where the heck is Sony's offering?

@Kenny - Could you translate this?

Quote:

배를가른 모습이다. PCB전체가 빈틈없이 자리잡고 있다. LITEON의 그것과는 대조적이다.

@H3rB3i - One reason for renaming the main forum to "Optical Drives" is that it was intended that these forums be the home to all PC-based optical drive threads, whether they are CD, DVD, HD-DVD or BD. Methinks the current BD forum is for standalones.

23-08-2005	#1 (permalink)
Kenshin CDFreaks Resident Join Date: May 2002 Location: Near Seoul, South Korea Posts: 12,367	First look: Pioneer Blu-ray BDR-101A <a href='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a13febf7&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE' target='_blank'><img src='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/avw.php?zoneid=30&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE&n=a13febf7' border='0' alt='' /></a> http://www.dvdrwinfo.net/bbs/zboard....d_review&no=70 I'm not sure if everybody already had Blu-ray drives because I couldn't access a PC frequently during the recent few weeks so ignore this thread in that case. A South Korean optical burner site, DVDRWinfo.net, released a "preview" for Pioneer's first PC Blu-ray drive BDR-101A yesterday. The full review will be published later. The sample Blu-ray unit was provided by MIS Korea, the usual Pioneer optical product distributor in South Korea. The unit supports Blu-ray and DVD only. It doesn't support CD and Toshiba group's opposing standard HD-DVD. Made in Japan. No date, no price. One of the pictures linked in the page: http://www.dvdrwinfo.net/bbs/data/we...2477589118.jpg I looked at the CDFreaks.com's main news page and Pioneer forum's first thread list page and couldn't find a similar topic. There must be some people reading this who are testing BDR-101A at this very moment. Good luck, Pioneer. __________________ Kill Confucius

23-08-2005	#2 (permalink)
agentk7 CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: East Coast, USA Posts: 79	Re: First look: Pioneer Blu-ray BDR-101A Did I read that right, the BD-R writing capacity is only 2x in DVD writing terms? This would mean it would take about 2.5 hours to burn one BD-R. I certainly hope that's just current prototype parameters or it's 2x in BD-R terms, with 1x representing the equivalent of maybe 8x DVD (similar to how 1x DVD=8x CD-R). I swear I read somewhere that BD-R burns are supposed to be 30min to an hour for the initial release drives.

24-08-2005	#3 (permalink)
Kenshin CDFreaks Resident Join Date: May 2002 Location: Near Seoul, South Korea Posts: 12,367	Re: First look: Pioneer Blu-ray BDR-101A Can you read Korean? Where does it say 2x DVD speed in BDR-101A? Official Blu-ray specification includes 1x, 2x, 4x... recording speed and 2x speed means 72Mbps which is 9MB/s. 2x DVD speed is a little over 2.7MB/s. __________________ Kill Confucius

24-08-2005	#4 (permalink)
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24-08-2005	#9 (permalink)
Wesociety CD Freak Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 4,997	Re: First look: Pioneer Blu-ray BDR-101A Hmmm 51x read/write speeds for what media? ( Nero InfoTool screenshot ) It doesn't support CD so that can't be it... Erik, any chance that you could also post some 16x DVD+R/-R graphs? Thanks for the screenshots! __________________ DVDRentalForums.com Netflix, Blockbuster & other DVD rental services discussion community WesleyTech.com Blu-ray, HD DVD & optical storage blog ~ My Articles & Reviews: Panasonic SW-5582 Blu-ray burner \| BenQ DW1670 Preview \| CDFreaks CES 2006 report \| Panasonic MATSHITA DVD-RAM SW-9585 \| ASUS DRW-1608P \| Memorex DVD+/-RWN16 D2 \| Toshiba SD-R5372 \| ASUS DRW-1604P \| ADS Tech LL5-DLX-185

24-08-2005	#12 (permalink)
elec999 CD Freaks Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 116	Re: First look: Pioneer Blu-ray BDR-101A Anyone got any clue whats the pricing or what would pricing be like, on blueray disks. And will they give a hard time finding quality media , like dvd media did. Thanks

24-08-2005	#13 (permalink)
KRomeleoN CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 32	Re: First look: Pioneer Blu-ray BDR-101A no cd burning! thats weak. i know everyone will say "buy a cd burner" but in all honesty some people only want 1 optical drive.

24-08-2005	#14 (permalink)
shimman CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 279	Re: First look: Pioneer Blu-ray BDR-101A according to the comments on that korean site, it seems like the bd disk is around 30usd/disk...not sure but that is probably for the bd-re single layer; will skip bd until things settle down especially the disk price. for 30usd/disk is not acceptable. for that price i would get hdd; since the recording layer is only 0.1mm from the top, i wonder how reliable bd will be without the cartridge i wounder how hd dvd will be priced...hope that hd dvd will be priced far below as the hd dvd laser pickup will be cheaper & disk will be cheaper, too....maybe plextor will release hd dvd burner as 802a

24-08-2005	#16 (permalink)
Kenshin CDFreaks Resident Join Date: May 2002 Location: Near Seoul, South Korea Posts: 12,367	Re: First look: Pioneer Blu-ray BDR-101A Nobody at DVDRWinfo.net knows exactly how much BD-R media cost at market launch time. Neither does MIS Korea who's just a minor distributor of optical storage products. Sony and Pioneer probably have better guesses because they know most about Blu-ray and the relevant technologies. The 30 USD per disk price is about the usual cartridge rewritable type Blu-ray media. It's much simpler to make write-once Blu-ray media without the protective cartdridges. My prediction: much lower than US$3 per disk by the time when Blu-ray PC drives will have been in the market for about 3 months. Even US$1 is just too much for write-once type products to stay in the market and justify all the cost of R&D and mass-production. But the leading makers like Mitsubishi Chemical will surely suggest like US$1 initially. I haven't seen anyone inside the optical industry who thinks people won't buy Blu-ray because of high cost. It's for the mass not professionals or rich nobles. I'd like an SATA drive that can read and write both Blu-ray and HD-DVD. Backward compatibility with DVD and CD is much less important to me. This notebook PC I am typing in right now doesn't have any optical or floppy drive. But it has 2 USB 2.0 ports, 1 SD memory slot, 1 Gigabit LAN port, etc. The internet can do much better than conventional DVD now due to its ubiquity of recent times which wasn't the case when DVD was first being produced for consumer market. The drive needs to be small and light enough for a 1.5kg subnotebook that is also less than 1 inch thick. __________________ Kill Confucius

24-08-2005	#19 (permalink)
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24-08-2005	#20 (permalink)
Kenshin CDFreaks Resident Join Date: May 2002 Location: Near Seoul, South Korea Posts: 12,367	Re: First look: Pioneer Blu-ray BDR-101A I hope so but I don't know why MIS Korea received the sample unit this early. They usually don't let pre-release drive knowledge to the public. Though 2x Blu-ray is already fast compared to 4x to 8x DVD (considering it's one disk of over 20GB and works like ZLV DVD), I hope 4x, 8x, and faster speeds will soon become available. __________________ Kill Confucius

24-08-2005	#21 (permalink)
Wesociety CD Freak Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 4,997	Re: First look: Pioneer Blu-ray BDR-101A At CES, a Philips Engineer demo'ed a CD/DVD/BR drive for us. He claimed that 2x BluRay recording would be the supported speed upon retail launch ( only 1x was available for the demo ). __________________ DVDRentalForums.com Netflix, Blockbuster & other DVD rental services discussion community WesleyTech.com Blu-ray, HD DVD & optical storage blog ~ My Articles & Reviews: Panasonic SW-5582 Blu-ray burner \| BenQ DW1670 Preview \| CDFreaks CES 2006 report \| Panasonic MATSHITA DVD-RAM SW-9585 \| ASUS DRW-1608P \| Memorex DVD+/-RWN16 D2 \| Toshiba SD-R5372 \| ASUS DRW-1604P \| ADS Tech LL5-DLX-185

24-08-2005	#22 (permalink)
Kenshin CDFreaks Resident Join Date: May 2002 Location: Near Seoul, South Korea Posts: 12,367	Re: First look: Pioneer Blu-ray BDR-101A My consipiracy theory says they want to keep speeds as low as possible while staying not too behind of competitors in order to maximize profits. Philips surely had 8x to 16x DVD+R long before actual retail release but better release 16x after 12x after 8x after 6x after 4x after 2.4x... from marketing point of view. So Pioneer's going to release BDR-101A first, and then BDR-102A, BDR-103A, BDR-104A... and BDR-110A (supporting 16x Blu-ray, 16x HD-DVD, and 8x dual-layer Blu-ray) in 2010. __________________ Kill Confucius

24-08-2005	#23 (permalink)
kwkard CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: int main() { Posts: 1,720	Re: First look: Pioneer Blu-ray BDR-101A Oh I want one now!! I am really looking forward to the new optical disc formats. Not so much hd-dvd as blu-ray. I can't wait to be able to store 23gb on a single disc. I also can't wait for movies in HD so I can really put my tv to good use. __________________ I smart, learn fast. The Coolest Page Ever My drives: Benq 1640 BSLB Benq 1625 BBHA (Rebadge HP 640c)(Lightscribe) LG GSA-4163B A104 NEC ND-3520A 1.04 NEC ND-3500AG LD 2.FD Liteon SOHW-812s@832s VS0E Liteon SOHW-1633S BS41 Liteon SOHC 5232K NK0H Yamaha CRW-F1 1.0g And yes these are all in one PC. Hehe.