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| Senior Admin Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cdfreaks review lab - Norway
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| Cdfreaks presents Pioneer DVR-109 review. Check it out here: http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/204 I'm sad that I've not been able to post this review earlier, it should have been ready a month ago! Actually the review were finished over 3 weeks ago. But we had some discussion with Pioneer on some issues. They also sent us two pieces of DVD-R DL to test and include in the review, which is one of the reasons why it was delayed. Another reason is that lightning hit my computer and I had to wait 5 days to get a new mainboard for it. ![]() But feel free to comment this review here.
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| Re: Cdfreaks presents Pioneer DVR-109 review. My scores for this drive: 1: 9 out of 10. Very good. Quality with RW media and DL media could be improved a bit though 2: 3 out of 10. Very poor, VERY many discs are not supported at certified speed - also CD-R discs! The final knock out is that it doesn't work with 8x DVD+RW media at all! Thus the extremely low score, fix the 8x +RW problem and it would be around 5 out of 10. 3: 7 out of 10. Average, nothing more nothing less. Only 40x CD-Writing. 4: 7 out of 10. Average, looks like it may have a few problems with scratched / dusty discs. Has a riplock. 5: 3 out of 10. Features? What features? No official disc quality checking with CD-Speed, no bitsetting, no speed adjusting tools etc. So what features I say.... 6: 4 out of 10. Can't backup all protected audio discs, can't read/write 99 minute. But it qualifies as a two sheep writer. 7: No bundle - skipped. 8: 8 out of 10. Drive looks plain, but it seems stable and quality filled. No problems found. Overall (not average): 6 out of 10.
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| Re: Cdfreaks presents Pioneer DVR-109 review. Personal comment: I really like the writing quality of this drive ![]() Especially with some really pooish media I've had in a corner for years ![]() But on the other side - my LG GSA-5163D handles that pooish media pretty good too. But if you are only looking for a drive which delivers WRITING QUALITY with DVD+/-R media, then this drive may really be what you are looking for.
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| Re: Cdfreaks presents Pioneer DVR-109 review. I have the same experience with this drive, except for its reading capabilities with some motherboard/IDE configurations. It seems to be very sensitive to the IDE communication even through the other channel. It is maybe due to the combination of the NEC chip and the new UDMA-4 interface. It got better with latest firmwares though. I missed some DVD overburning tests. Now I can't be sure that it can't overburn anything. Excellent writing quality, one more cheap drive burning better than the Plextor. ![]()
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| Re: Cdfreaks presents Pioneer DVR-109 review. Hello! Great review, Guys ![]() Great writing-quality like I expect from Pioneer. No matter, when it writes trash only @4x, but why it burns Ritek R03 @4x? I have many R03-media here ![]() BTW, when you review the Benq 1640, Liteon 1693 and NEC 3540?
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| Re: Cdfreaks presents Pioneer DVR-109 review. Quote:
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| Re: Cdfreaks presents Pioneer DVR-109 review. Quote:
Lite-On SOHW-1693S: Not got a sample yet. But it seems to perform identical to the SOHW-1673S + DVD-R DL writing. So reading my SOHW-1673S review will give you an idea of what to expect. NEC ND-3540A: I will not review that drive. That drive will be reviewed by other reviewers - so I don't know when it will be ready.
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| Re: Cdfreaks presents Pioneer DVR-109 review. Very nice review, OC-Freak! One point to mention: Page 7 Quote:
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| Re: Cdfreaks presents Pioneer DVR-109 review. Quote:
There are people in forums that say it has better performance and i have curiosity for that ![]() | |
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| Re: Cdfreaks presents Pioneer DVR-109 review. This drive could become a dangerous competitor for BenQ and NEC if Pioneer provide a better firmware support. I'm more interested in many new media and media code available in this review. Such as Ritek P16, ritek F1, daxon16s. That look like mass manufacturer are trying to provide better 16x media. |
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| Re: Cdfreaks presents Pioneer DVR-109 review. Quote:
Liteon: So the 1693 you used for the scan´s a crossflashed 1673?
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| Re: Cdfreaks presents Pioneer DVR-109 review. Quote:
![]() Lite-On: Yep my drive is a converted 1673S.
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| Re: Cdfreaks presents Pioneer DVR-109 review. Quote:
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| Re: Cdfreaks presents Pioneer DVR-109 review. Quote:
The only change I've found later on is that DAXON016S now works at 12x instead of 4x - but still not 16x ![]()
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| Re: Cdfreaks presents Pioneer DVR-109 review. Quote:
But to keep up with the competition and get the top scores in reviews it's not enough.
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| Re: Cdfreaks presents Pioneer DVR-109 review. Hey Freak! The cross flash to a A09 really speeds this beast up. I know you can't do a review of that, but is does help the performance of this drive. PS/Mine likes ty02 +R MIJ(12X)(don't they all) and Verbat 16X at 16x. Burns Maxell 002 at 8X.
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| Re: Cdfreaks presents Pioneer DVR-109 review. I have had the OEM 109 for a week now and very impressed. I crossflashed it to a A09 to get rid of the riplock. I seem to have had better success with Ritek DL+R's. I used Nero 6.6.0.13 to burn the DL+R without any problems. I don't know much about the CD/DVD speed program. I have attached a test of my Datasafe Ritek DL+R. It doesn't look as nearly as bad as the one in the review. The disc plays fine in five players I have access to. http://www.apah20.dsl.pipex.com/computer/nerospeed.jpg I will try a Verbatim once the price goes down below the current £4 a disc. The Ritek was £2 a disc. The aluminium version is a OEM of the retail version. It uses the A09 firmware already installed. It looks very nice. |
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| Re: Cdfreaks presents Pioneer DVR-109 review. Will optodisc 8x DVD+R media burn @ 12x with this drive? And why is there no firmware support? Furthermore why is there no customized firmware? It can't be too hard to modify the code for 8x on reliable 4x media (e.g. RICOHJPN02)... |
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| Re: Cdfreaks presents Pioneer DVR-109 review. Interesting that some of you cross flashed to a A09 I just got my 109 today and already flashed to 1.57 can I cross flash it ot A09 if this will speed things up? But this is of course just a curious question . Actually I have burned one dvd/rw at 2x and a cdrw 16x the graph produced by alcohol look cool no spikes |
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| Re: Cdfreaks presents Pioneer DVR-109 review. I thought 1.55 was the latest firmware? It is possible to cross flash to A09 firmware and back again. It is also possible to go up and down firmware versions. The two advantages of A09 firmware is no rip lock at 5x. I can get up to 12x now. A facility called quietdrive is activated. I couldn't play CD's in the drive as they spun round too fast and made a lot of noise. That doesn't happen now. Here are the firmware and you are right that there is a 1.57. You need to use DVRUpdate to apply the firmware and not use the Pioneer one. http://flashman.rpc1.org/Firmware/PI...9/Enhanced_XL/ |
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