Sorry to have crossposting ( being a newbie and also just known this topic)as I think maybe the post is restricted to only one type thread of burner so as I have same question for both burner, I do post it to different thread separately

As Iam comparing which one is better for me : 112 D versus 1612 BL

which one has more media support ( including cheap and unbranded media , not only Taiyo Yuden or verbatim that used in review) whether to read it ( ripping the movie into harddisk) or write it.

Also one person had said that it tested 1612 BL is not "yet" " three sheep burners" but " certainly " two sheep burners"( must be changed in the review if cannot be confirmed) , so I think whether anyone that used 112 D has tested that 112 D is indeed " two sheep burners" as said in review and not just " one sheep burners or no sheep burners".


Last , as a newbie may I ask help how to find explanation( the link) for my old DVD ROM Pioneer 120 the new firmware . Yes I have already go to rpc1.org and downloaded several types but as I never flash DVD or anything so I need a detailed guide as I read already provided for the 112 D ---> 112L


Thank you very much.

Hi everybody!

when i wrote the last DVD on my Pioneer 112D, I noticed that recorder's buffer jumped from 100% to something like 5% all over the way.

After finished writing, I checked hardware profile and found that for some unknown reason the drive started to use PIO mode instead of UDMA. I fixed the problem by removing IDE channel and rebooting, but the questions arised:

1. why did the drive changed the UDMA setting and how to make this situation does'nt occure in future?

2. is the last disk of good quality, or should I re-write it?

I've never done any quality checking and don't know anything about it.
I've made the scan in DVDInfoPro, and attached it to the post. Can anybody tell me what does this scan mean, is the disk good?

One thing you are using 3rd class media, if you are using XP if it encounters any problems of sort it will revert back to the PIO mode after so many, forgot how many it takes and if this is the only time it has done it I wouldn't worry about it just reset the DMA and a quality rating of 90.1% is not bad but should be around 98% as that is what I always get with Verbatim media and my 112's

I suggest you read the description of why the problem occurs and what you can do about it on this page:

DMA reverts to PIO

I don't trust disc quality scans performed in Pioneer drives, so I won't comment based only on that scan.

In general CMC MAG M01 media can be problematic because it's so variable.

Thanks I forgot that I had that link on the DMA reverts to PIO

thanks for the response!

but about CMC MAG M01... it's TDK disk, respected company... how to distinguish good and bad disks, if this disk by TDK is bad?

and, by the way, 90.1% seems rather bad, or what does this number mean?

I think the Pioneer 112d is faulty......I bought a Sony product.....and had better success...plus for NEWBIES the technical support is superior to the Pioneer..........All these gurus on this forum are consumed with theirselves.......DMA this UDMA...PIO......Update the blahj blah...blah.........Crap we newbies just want the mofo to work out of the box....BOOM!!!


Viva la revoluccion!...Hugo Castro

Then why come to the forum to begin with if you don't agree with members of this forum site. Every manufacturer of dvd burners will have quality control issues. FYI Sony doesn't even manufacture their own dvd burners. They use rebadged drives from other manufacturers like Liteon, Nec and at one time they used Benq. Don't be so quick to judge any particular brand.

Yup, I fully agree with DVD_ADDICTs opinion.

Maybe its not right place for this question:

But I cant decide NEC 7173 or this pioneer ?

It always makes me laugh when someone who clearly has a PC system configuration problem or bad media, can only blame others for their problems.

Well done

Sorry to be such a noob, but I'm thinking of getting this drive here but I'm confused by this business of the 80 wire connector.

Will this not work with my old mobo which uses the old EIDE leads?

"old mobo" is relative. You could even put a 3rd party ide controller card with SIL chip into it and run the burner on that. But it requires a 80 wire ide cable and running in UDMA4 mode!

dee;
Since you guys made the 112 an editor's choice I thought that I would buy that one. It's hard to distinguish between all of your reviews.

But now I can only find 112d in the US. An earlier post said that the 112 is the same drive as the 112d with the only difference being firmware that supports dvd-ram writting and reading. Is that true? And is there firmware that will give me that capabiltiy and make the 112d exactly like the 112? If 112 is an editor's choice does that make 112d one too?

If I can't make a 112d into a 112, why would I use dvd-ram vs one of the other formats anyway? Is it more reliable or offer longer life?

Please read some threads in the Pioneers section!

I have two 112's and only one of them had the CD reading & writing problem and I sent it to Pioneer and they replaced it. Although PIO's aren't good scanners ( which really doesn't mean anything to me) I get excellant burns from both of them, one is PIO FW and the other is flashed to a 112L FW. Everyone has their own fav burner and I always had PIO's and will continue to have PIO's as they were good to me

How did you get the performance you cite?

I have a DVR-110D and a DVR-112D. Both drives burn DVD+R at a maximum of between 2X and 3X.

System:
Intel D975XBX2, P4 Dual Core 3GHz, 2GB memory
Boot & Data partitions on 3Ware 9650 true hardware SATA2 (3Gb/s) RAID-1

I have done all the research and found the articles on various sites about making sure the IDE controller is in DMA mode instead of PIO, and also done the ResetErrorCountersOnSuccess=1 workaround in case that was the problem (but no errors are being recorded in the event log). Both drives show they're in UDMA-4 mode, which is what they should be according to Pioneer's support docs, and this is supported by examining the registry.

I've deleted both the drives AND the IDE controller in Device Manager and let Windows reinstall them at reboot, but this didn't fix anything. I've even swapped the two drives' positions on the IDE cable (with appropriate master/slave jumper changes) with no effect.

I'm at a dead end. The only remaining possibility is media: I'm using Memorex 16X DVD+R. Anybody have experience with the combination of Pioneer drives and Memorex media?

Your drives seem to be wrong set up!

UDMA4 for both is a must.

They ARE in UDMA-4 mode

Please use CD Speed, insert a burned disc and run a Burst Rate Test and post a screenshot of the result.

Attached are the results of some tests using Nero's tool:

I don't believe this problem can be caused by media, it has got to be a system configuration or compatibility if you ask me.

I believe the 975x doesn't have native IDE but instead runs through the SATA in a sort of compatibility mode. Do you have any settings for the controller in BIOS?

Also, have you tried just a single drive in Master mode? Have you tried a different IDE cable? Funny slow burning problems like this often come from a faulty cable causing lots of errors. Also I trust you have lots of power?

EDIT: As an aside, according to our media support list, this media only supports burning at 4x, 6x and 8x, so I'd suggest it has some quality issues.

Perhaps get some MCC004 if you want to be able to burn at 18x.

At this point I'm still trying to get burn rates above 2x and read rates above about 8x (avg).

The 975x has only one BIOS setting for IDE, with values "Native" or "Legacy", and there is no documentation on what they mean. Changing the setting has no appreciable effect. I have a 600w power supply, and have tried several different IDE cables. I don't think the cable is the problem.

What is MCC004?

MCC004 is a media code (MID) used by Verbatim media.

If your only writing on average 2.5GIG of data to a disc, then you'll never get any faster than about 8x average when reading. The drive, and all other drives use a CAV reading method and will only ever reach 16x reading speed (around 12x average) on a full disc.

The 112 only reads DVD R media at 12x, so the average speed will be further reduced.

MCC004 (or MCC 004) is a media code used by Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation / Mitsubishi Kagaku Media.

Verbatim 16x DVD+R media will be MCC 004 in North America, and also in Europe except when labeled "Made in Japan" (then it will be YUDEN000 T03 instead). In Asia you would most likely have to look for Mitsubishi 16x DVD+R or Verbatim 16x DVD+R, but I'm not that familiar with the media availability in Asia. In Australia you will also find it as Verbatim 16x DVD+R as far as I know.

There are other ways of getting (genuine) MCC 004 but Verbatim/Mitsubishi is by far the easiest.

EDIT: Dee-27 was faster.