hello to all!
interesting review, but what do you think of the review by cdrinfo.com?

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Revi...0083&PageId=35

by far not so good conclusion...

where the truth is???

Seems to me that the way of quality testing makes them to get to different conclusions...

It's also possible that the reviewed drives are very different.

My 111 and 111D (both flashed to 111L) are as different as day and night - they might as well be completely different models. One of my 111 drives show extreme jitter jumps like I can see with some of the scans in CDRInfo's review for the 112, while the other doesn't. One drive is not very good with P-CAV and CAV burns while the other one is.

Manufacturing tolerances are such today, that this is to be expected, and I think this plays a major role in the very different conclusions reached in the CDFreaks review and the CDRInfo review.

@cernd2: welcome to CDFreaks!

Indeed and the CDR-Info review only shows how that particular drive and media combination performed.

We use testing methods that all our members can participate in with very little cost and then compare their findings with ours. Because of this, we believe our methods get the wider picture.

Damn, I hate lotteries...

And what about many replies with many 'peaks' or smth during quality scans? To tell the truth, I don't know what does it mean...

OK, I tried this lottery and bought 112D...

So how can I check if I'm lucky?

what should I do to check writing quality? To tell the truth, I do not want to become an expert in this area, and I have no time to read some manuals on quality checking, but if you give me simple instructions... you'll have some more quality scans to analyze, some more statistics

Curious as to why they would make a burner that bitset +R DL media and not regular +R SL.

Why should they?

-R were first, there is the dvd alliance and there is the DVD forum.

Never heard of them?!?

What has this got to do with the question?
Dont you find it odd that the burner will bitset +R DL and not SL?????
I would guess most experienced folks around here would want this, dont you?

"Experienced folks" as you say flash their drives with Buffalo firmwares to get BS on DVD5 +R.

Please use SEARCH if you don't know Buffalo's firmwares, otherwise you make yourself a bit foolish I believe.

Come on guys, keep it friendly.
No one can be expected to know everything about every drive and firmware out there.
It's good to use the search function, but if everyone only used search and found the answer to their question, then no one would ever need to post anything.

But to try an answer the original question about Bitsetting on DVD+R DL and none on DVD+R. Most set top players will only play a DVD+R DL disc if its booktype is set as DVD-ROM.

On the other hand, most newish set top players will play DVD+R without its booktype being DVD-ROM. It would be nice to have bitsetting on DVD+R, but it's not nearly as important as having booktype DVD-ROM on DVD +R DL media.

Sorry off topic:

Getting kind of heated here:

I just need bs for DL media here. As Dee say's "Most set top players will only play a DVD+R DL disc if its booktype is set as DVD-ROM." Other than that i'm good to go.

I say this time after time. All my DVD writers have one better thing than the next. I have no single drive that does it all (what i call all) in other words.

No argument here, just why wouldn't it be both. I know I occasionally lend out a DVD and some of my buddy's old players or DVD drives on their computer won't play the +Rs. The idea is to please as many consumers (read customers) as possible. Seems like a simple fix and a bit of an oversight to me. But lucky me, all my stuff is newer and I don't have that problem. But a lot of people don't go out and buy the latest equipment when it comes out, they wait until their old stuff drops dead.

Oh, by the way Chef, don't get preachy. The idea here is to help people and discuss developments, not to put down people that might not be as smart or arrogant as you.

I agree with that.

The main reason why Pioneer drives don't bitset DVD+R SL media is politics. Remember that Pioneer is one of the main companies involved in the DVD Forum (read: supporters of the "dash" format) and therefore they WANT you to use that type of media.

Regards,
TerminalVeloCD

Now THAT makes sense!

Why did I post about the both forums in post #33?!?

Of course its politics, Philips on the other side always did that too.
Without bitsetting "introduced" for DVD+R that format were a deadbirth...

what the heck.........why is it not reading R+ disks?....

Thanks very much, Larry

The DVR-112 is not riplocked when reading DVD videos according to the review. Does anyone know if the DVR-112D sold by NewEgg is or is not riplocked. Thanks!

That must be some software or driver problem on your OS installation.

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So I ended up getting a Sony (no baloney) DRU-830A.........it read my older DVS instantly...not like the uppity Pioneer 112D..................but I did have a problem getting it to write either +R or -R discs..........I thought it was the discs so I bought Sony discs like it recommended.......but in the end the on-sale TDK discs worked..........

the problem may have been....well.....when I right clicked on the drive in 'My Computer'...........Properties.........went to the recording tab.....and checked 'enable cd recording on this drive'.........

although I just looked at the recording tab and it's unchecked............but the other CD writer is checked...........
So............I don't know it just started working.......hahahha!

I don't really understand what cd recording should have to do with dvd recording in this case?!

I'd like to know if anyone for sure have already tested that Pioneer 112D or 112 L ( or whatever update firmware used) is indeed " two sheep burners" as Asus 1612 BL does not confirmed by anyone that it IS indeed " theree sheep burners" even in the review cdfreaks says it is.

Because of that , we also need to test if it is indeed " two sheep burner or just one sheep burners".

Also I need to know if Pioneer 112D support a lot media( read or burn) incl cheap media or unbranded media ( so it's not only Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden) and reject the other media when read it or burn it.

Sometimes we get media that cant be read by it because it only accept best quality media.

Media like CD-R or DVD +R or DVD + R DL etc.

Thanks alot

What is the problem TO READ the reviews instead of crossposting??

I found the 112D not as effective as the Sony DRU-830A......the Pioneer wouldn't read my pre-recorderd DVDs I did...the Sony did!

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