Hi everyone! I have bought 20 discs by the brand name of FIRST CHOICE made in Taiwan. When I checked for the manufacturer id using DVDinfo Pro, it tells me they are TYG02. I assume they must me Taiyo Yuden (I hope i got the spelling right). The problem is when i try writing at 12 x and try reading them later, they fail miserably. I assume they are quality discs and my drive supports writing them at 12x, actual manufactuers speed is 4x. My HDD is clean and defragmented. Yet the NEC buffer acts crazy sometimes dropping to 0!!!!!!. Please let me know if there is any problem on my drive as at 4x the brns seem fine without a problem, but the buffer still acts crazy. The media id is

00 6C 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 87 0D 10 .l...@....R.....
66 78 80 00 03 54 59 47 30 32 00 00 04 00 00 00 fx...TYG02......
00 00 00 00 05 AA A2 22 22 20 02 00 06 08 0E 11 ......."" ......
87 78 80 00 07 88 80 00 00 00 00 00 08 06 13 0D .x..............
10 0E 07 00 09 97 07 0D 0B 78 88 00 0A 80 00 00 .........x......
00 00 10 00 0B 06 18 17 85 78 75 00 0C D6 89 A8 .........xu.....
92 01 20 00 0D 10 00 D0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 .. .............

Heh.. made in Taiwan ? TY disc aren't made in Taiwan but in Japan... I think you have FAKE TYG02..

Those are definitely fake TY's. I have been purchasing real TY's from Rima.com and the results are nothing less than stellar with them.

Agreed. Also, I believe TYG02s are typically rated at 8X, not 4X. They're supported by the 3500 at 16X, and they burn great! Boy do I love them.

they are not supported at 16x... officialy just 12x...

At least it was only a 20 pack and not a 100 of them like I got while buying the 8x Dupsonic DVD-R's from Newegg which are also Fake TYG02's. Similiar results to yours in that they fail differently and miserably at the same time. The one or two "good" burns I had didn't play back well at all in any stand-alone devices outside of my Sylvania stand-alone which pretty much will play anything. hehe

Oops, I didn't know that. What strategy is used for 16X burning with these discs?

On the side note, Taiwan is also a haven for fake LV, Gucci, D. Gabana etc, pulses and wallets...and they look damn real too

Well，folks.Anybody know how to identify fake TYG02 & YUDEN0000T02 ?

sure, real TY discs are branded by : Sony, Plextor or Fuji Film

And are made in Japan!

and stink if you smell them!

THX a lot. guys.
But I donnot recommend to smell them .........Because it may lead to cancer！！！！

one snif won't hurt anyone

Almost all the media smell! How do we know which is which? Also any particular smell that we are taking about here? LOL

Some smell of good burns... but other smell like headache

I've never tried to burn Gucci's in mu 3500a, can someone post Kprobe scans?

I wonder how those would smell..

Great Quality "GQ" DVD-R are supposedly fake TYG02 as well. However, I haven't had problems with them [yet] (fingers crossed).

You can always tell fake media by the name, if the name speaks to the quality of the media, ala 'FIRST CHOICE' or 'GREAT QUALITY' you know they are crapola.

... and Verbatim.

Off topic, but I just received my packages from Best Buy's Boxing Day (Dec. 26) online sale, got a 2x25 pack of Fuji 4x +R (site said 8x, but too much work to complain), which was RICOHJPNR01, but the Fuji 8x -R 50 spindle was.... MADE IN JAPAN! YAY! 50 pack of true TYG02 for about $16 US, I'm happy....

CanuckGod: Your so lucky. I have been trying to find FUJI MIJ 8x -R on sale for the longest, but with no luck. All they ever have are MIT.

My Burner is a ND-3500A with official firmware 2.18
i'm also use YUDEN0000T02. The first 50 disc i could brun without problems with 16x speed. now if i try to brun the same disc with the same speed, i get disc errors after 1-2 gigs (6 disc broken). Now i'm burning with 8x and no errors, is my drive broken because i can't burn with 16x speed anymore?

I don't think so... I would say a bad batch...