Possible Pioneer 108 PI/PO scan = PI/PO scan for NEC 3500 possible ? - Club CDFreaks

*ItalianJob* · 15-11-2004

It's coming soon maybe

uch:
http://www.cdrinfo.com/forum/tm.asp?...=1&key=&#89165

Is a new firmware needed ? Seems almost to be a hidden functionality...
And since NEC 3500 and his cousine Pioneer 108 have the same chips...

???

*code65536* · 16-11-2004

Firmware would be required, probably.

J37HR0 · 16-11-2004

that would be sooooo Cooool if NEC would release a FW so we can do PI/PIF scanning with CD speed.

ArchV · 16-11-2004

Woww that is goood news !
Cant wait for this.

*code65536* · 16-11-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArchV

Woww that is goood news !
Cant wait for this.

...assuming that NEC engineers decide to implement something like this, which, given NEC's past stance on this, would seem unlikely.

J37HR0 · 16-11-2004

Is NEC the last major manufacturer to not support PI/PIF scanning.

And I think ArchV was saying that's good news for Pioneer owners.

ArchV · 16-11-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by code65536

...assuming that NEC engineers decide to implement something like this, which, given NEC's past stance on this, would seem unlikely.

I was under the impression that NEC and Pioneer drives were exactly same at hardware level & only differnt at Firmware. Is that not the case ?

*code65536* · 16-11-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArchV

I was under the impression that NEC and Pioneer drives were exactly same at hardware level & only differnt at Firmware. Is that not the case ?

No.

They share the same chipset. Which is kinda like saying "Windows and Linux can both run on the same x86 CPU." They are two very different drives, just like Windows and Linux are two very different operating systems.

*ItalianJob* · 16-11-2004

It seems to be a forthcoming feature in DVDInfoPro for all Pioneer drive since 103 till 108. So I think it's a hidden possibility and no new firmware is needed... I hope we will see this in other programs too (as Nero CD/DVD Speed...).

*dicer* · 16-11-2004

I'm just wondering whether the readings from pioneer will be anything close to what lite-on drives read. And if it's different, the nec would probably show a higher error count i'm guessing?

*pchilson* · 16-11-2004

If this goes back to the 103 then this "functionality" has been hidden all along.
My guess is Pioneer is bringing this to light now to stem further lost sales to competitors that allow this ability.
They are probably envious of all the interest that BenQ is gaining with thier drives.
They need to do something to counter the perception of the slowest 16x drive on the planet.
That said I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for NEC to do the same. Unless the big OEM's ask for it we'll probably never see it on an NEC drive.

jason_godly · 16-11-2004

just boycott NEC's drive for a couple months, and they'll probably add that to their drives, hehe

*Sapa* · 16-11-2004

PI/PO and bitsetting on Pioneer drives !
Liteon has much to worry about and also NEC.

*ItalianJob* · 21-11-2004

Pioneer 103 ... 108 can now have quality scans with latests software.
Asus (Pioneer OEM) with last Nero CD/DVD Speed 3.55...
Plextor 712 and + can do quality scans with Plextools...
Liteon (and Sony clones) with well knows Kprobe...
BenQ implements this quality scans too in their new, excellent and cheap burners too...

What about NEC moving their ass

after waiting for firmwares, we are now waiting for something that every other manufacturers share with customers... a PI/PO scan possibility.

If the answer from NEC is : it's impossible with current drives (2510/3500), I know some customers that will never buy NEC again...

*dicer* · 21-11-2004

LoL PI/PF was never previously possible, and nec have still been selling a ton. I too hope they'll be able to release a firmware or software that'll enable us to use nec to scan PI/PF, but the results will be different from other manufacturers PI scanners too. People should still prefer using lite-on's for scanning as they're more understandable since they've been used for it for a while.

*ItalianJob* · 04-05-2005

O o, this thread reminds me something, LOL !

*ItalianJob* · 04-05-2005

Again... LOL !

**Dee-27** · 04-05-2005

Please stop digging up old threads

thread closed

15-11-2004	#1 (permalink)
ItalianJob CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: France Posts: 898	Possible Pioneer 108 PI/PO scan = PI/PO scan for NEC 3500 possible ? <a href='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a13febf7&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE' target='_blank'><img src='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/avw.php?zoneid=30&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE&n=a13febf7' border='0' alt='' /></a> It's coming soon maybe uch: http://www.cdrinfo.com/forum/tm.asp?...=1&key=&#89165 Is a new firmware needed ? Seems almost to be a hidden functionality... And since NEC 3500 and his cousine Pioneer 108 have the same chips... ???

16-11-2004	#2 (permalink)
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16-11-2004	#9 (permalink)
ItalianJob CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: France Posts: 898	Re: Possible Pioneer 108 PI/PO scan = PI/PO scan for NEC 3500 possible ? It seems to be a forthcoming feature in DVDInfoPro for all Pioneer drive since 103 till 108. So I think it's a hidden possibility and no new firmware is needed... I hope we will see this in other programs too (as Nero CD/DVD Speed...).

16-11-2004	#10 (permalink)
dicer CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 718	Re: Possible Pioneer 108 PI/PO scan = PI/PO scan for NEC 3500 possible ? I'm just wondering whether the readings from pioneer will be anything close to what lite-on drives read. And if it's different, the nec would probably show a higher error count i'm guessing?

16-11-2004	#11 (permalink)
pchilson CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,712	Re: Possible Pioneer 108 PI/PO scan = PI/PO scan for NEC 3500 possible ? If this goes back to the 103 then this "functionality" has been hidden all along. My guess is Pioneer is bringing this to light now to stem further lost sales to competitors that allow this ability. They are probably envious of all the interest that BenQ is gaining with thier drives. They need to do something to counter the perception of the slowest 16x drive on the planet. That said I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for NEC to do the same. Unless the big OEM's ask for it we'll probably never see it on an NEC drive.

16-11-2004	#12 (permalink)
jason_godly CD Freaks Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 107	Re: Possible Pioneer 108 PI/PO scan = PI/PO scan for NEC 3500 possible ? just boycott NEC's drive for a couple months, and they'll probably add that to their drives, hehe __________________ NEC 4570A @ 1.Z2 NEC 3500A @ 2.TG LiteOn 812S->832S --- RIP LiteOn 52246S @ 6S0F Plextor 1210A @ 1.10

16-11-2004	#13 (permalink)
Sapa CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,037	Re: Possible Pioneer 108 PI/PO scan = PI/PO scan for NEC 3500 possible ? PI/PO and bitsetting on Pioneer drives ! Liteon has much to worry about and also NEC. __________________ Benq 1620 B7W9 (retired) Benq 1640 BSPB Benq 1655 BCGB (MCSE) LG 4163B A105 Liteon 1633S@1653S CSOP(retired) Asus 1608P3S@Pioneer111L 8.29 (TDB + ala42's readspeed patch)

21-11-2004	#14 (permalink)
ItalianJob CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: France Posts: 898	Quality scans on NEC drives : when !? Pioneer 103 ... 108 can now have quality scans with latests software. Asus (Pioneer OEM) with last Nero CD/DVD Speed 3.55... Plextor 712 and + can do quality scans with Plextools... Liteon (and Sony clones) with well knows Kprobe... BenQ implements this quality scans too in their new, excellent and cheap burners too... What about NEC moving their ass after waiting for firmwares, we are now waiting for something that every other manufacturers share with customers... a PI/PO scan possibility. If the answer from NEC is : it's impossible with current drives (2510/3500), I know some customers that will never buy NEC again...

21-11-2004	#15 (permalink)
dicer CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 718	Re: Quality scans on NEC drives : when !? LoL PI/PF was never previously possible, and nec have still been selling a ton. I too hope they'll be able to release a firmware or software that'll enable us to use nec to scan PI/PF, but the results will be different from other manufacturers PI scanners too. People should still prefer using lite-on's for scanning as they're more understandable since they've been used for it for a while.

04-05-2005	#16 (permalink)
ItalianJob CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: France Posts: 898	Re: Quality scans on NEC drives : when !? O o, this thread reminds me something, LOL !

04-05-2005	#17 (permalink)
ItalianJob CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: France Posts: 898	Re: Possible Pioneer 108 PI/PO scan = PI/PO scan for NEC 3500 possible ? Again... LOL !

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