I know that when you use p2p you download from their computer(other user). and some peoples have be caught or the copyright company just faked ut so you wont downlaod it any more. So can you get caught and how you get caught for dawnloading songs or softwares? Thankz

Please only post one thread at a time. More than one is enough, and is considered spamming.

Ezcuse me, i didnt get what u mean by only post at one time, could u be more clear about it.

Ah, a mod must of deleted the other threads.

You must've clicked the button more than once. But it's all good now

If you type the command "netstat -a" while you are connected, you have the ip of everyone that you download from / download from you. All they have to do is to share a popular file and wait for the list to build up...

Wouldn't it be illegal for the music industry to do this, share the files they are trying to protect? How can they sue you for copyright infringment when they themselves would be guilty of it, that's true hipocracy

Yes it is. But i don't think they do it using their own internet connection, first because it is illegal for them, then because their ips have already been blacklisted by apps like peerguardian and alike. They probably hire employees to do the dirty work at home...

So is there one more secure than others?

but they (copyright holders of a song) have the right to give it to others, not like you...

Well if they are giving it to you, then they can't sue you. Either way it is illegal for them to do that. Hence the reason they are going after the people who share thousands of files.

I've also wondered if by sharing the files it isn't entrapment.I mean a cop can't just hold out drugs on the street and then arrest everyone that buys them, can he? The only distinction I can make is that this is taking place in civil courts, and not criminal. I wonder if that's what makes it different....

Apparantly you're not from the United States

LMFAO

"I mean a cop can't just hold out drugs on the street and then arrest everyone that buys them, can he?"

Yes, but if asked if he/she is a cop must answer truthfully, otherwise it's entrapment. A smart person would obviously ask first.

Actually, I think there might be some confusion here. I think that MOST of the lawsuits we have seen initiated by the RIAA thus far have been filed against file SHARERS rather than downloaders. The way it works is, they see copyrighted material in your share, they download a song, and then they contact your isp to get your personal info. From there they either send a c&d or file a lawsuit.

So far, I am not aware of a single lawsuit filed against people who have downloaded FROM a representative of the RIAA or some law enforcement organization. There might well BE such a case...but I am not aware of it.

The (riaa ) simply looks for those who "share" the most files or the most popular and then checks to see weather or not they are copyrighted songs, ect... Then they get your IP# and will contact your isp to try to get further info about (you) so that they can send the infamious cease letter or a lawsuit
ooh...and to those who were questioning weather or not what they are doing is legal, just remember, the copyright holders can give them permission to do what they want with their music. (also, this wouldn't be the first time the law has looked away from a company using "shady" practices for the "common good" )

But isnt it illegal by doing that?

Ok...not defending the record label or anything....because..I think all this is over the top and bullshit....but consider this...

Your a punk that steals...say cars.....and your walking down the street on night and see a decent ride....slide up..nobody is looking, car is unlocked, and keys carelessly left in the ignition. You decide, SWEET, and steal it.

Now after you get caught, and infront of the judge.....do you really think the judge is going to care much that the jackass who owned the car probably left it out like that on purpose to cash in on some insurance money.....or perhaps cover an alibi to his wife?

if u are implying that the judge put's the punk in jail obviously u have never dowloaded music in canada. Over here the judge says to the car owner: U messed up. If some1 left ure car there and allowed that punk to steal it, too bad. If u left ure car there....then u are very stupid.

LOL, well again....it was not posed as a Canadian perspective.....

Yes, of course the judge will take that into consideration. Thats probably in all countries - especially western ones.

and the insurance company will sue the owner for trying to defraud them.

OK...I see this analogy is going nowhere.......but my point.....while the car owner was "hoping" somebody would steal the car.....the owner commited no crime, as was the owners right to leave it unprotected, stupid but perfectly legal...dishonest and twistful, yes.....but not illeagle. Owner did not arrange a fake staged theft, nor did the owner file a false report, however...the one that stole the car, did clearly break the law....thats the rub.

I don't think that car analogy works. Somebody is giving you the music. Now if somebody gave you a car that wouldn't be car theft. However, the music that he is giving you is stolen. So its like somebody giving you a stolen car. Now you will get in trouble for taking a stolen car.

If the RIAA has permission to give away the music to try to catch people who think they are downloading illegal music it is like a cop giving somebody a car and making the person taking it think its stolen. But then it wouldn't be stolen would it? The guy who accepts it would think its stolen, but its not. Now it is illegal to accept something you know is stolen. But is it illegal to accept something you think is stolen but really isnt?

So how could it be illegal to download music from the RIAA.

Well friend....I'd agree with you that if 1 thing were clear........you actually knew you were dloading from the RIAA....via 2p2 or a website. Again....I'm not standing up for the RIAA.....just staying out loud, if you are using p2p, depending your country, you know or should know, your probably breaking the law. We all know it, most of us me included, do it anywho........my point to new users is that no....it's probably not legal....there are risks.......and do it at your own risk......no crying if you get caught......

I have an observation about downloading music. If you download a song that you wouldn't have purchased anyway. For instance to see what its like and then decide its rubbish or at least not worth what the music company wants for it. Then what financial damage has the artist or more importantly the copyright owner suffered?

The person downloading may have breached the copyright owner's rights but surely its not easy to prove any level of damage against the single downloader (this is obviously not the case with someone who shares the music to many others) and given that its a civil claim for money, there must be a large question mark over the ability to suceed over the individual who just downloads.

Also there is a significant difference between stealing a physical possession such as a car where you deprive the owner of their use and enjoyment of the property, and copying/downloading a piece of music where the owner losses nothing physically only the potential to obtain a sum of money from those who are listening to the music. Not to have a go at the US, but its there corporate interests that are blowing copyright protection levels out into the realms of the ridiculous. In the US you now get the life of the author + 70 years an extra 20 years over what you used to get and of course other countries are being pressured into adopting these ridiculous protection lengths through the US's political influence over international copyright protection. These protection lengths in no way provide any extra incentive to the artist at the time of creation of the work which is the whole point of copyright in the first place. The only people benefitting are either the great great grandchildren of the artist in the unlikely event that the family retained the copyright (and the little leaches should go out and earn thir own money anyway) or more likely a bunch of large music companies who have already made more than a fair profit from the material.

Anyway thats my 2 cents worth.