sunset2004

Hi Serpeant,
well, i didn't test it myself, but saw that on various threads about last safedisc 3.x so... on burners having succedeed or not so.

ex, here:
http://forum.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=96383&page=1
look at yankor post for ex... (?)

I also found that thread quiet interesting too, somewhere else (for ex too): http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/100735
--> look at "eLeCTR0n" posts... (?)

... but, yes, it seems that the results with the Liteons are a little "varying" so... working for some, not for others apparently.. (-?)

It seems too that Plextor Premium are always nice things too, even if the backups 1:1 can't be read by every readers too thereafter(!).... only Premium themselves and some Liteons (163,166..etc-?) too... for ex(!).
Backups with last SD will never work in every readers anyway, that's a noirmal thing apparently. the most important thing beeing apparently to have a reader that is matching perfectly your own burner, and voilà (ex: combo liteon 163/166 + Plextor Premium so.. visibly).

pcgamer2004

The Mods should make a stick about " Which DVD-/+ Writer gets past most game protections. Make a list starting with the manufacturere, etc...

Manijak

Pioneer DVR-108 can backup safedisc 3.2, but I could make to play so burned game only on Pioneer DVR-108 with "Ignore Media Type", the game didn't work on TEAC 532E-B and on LITE-ON LTR-48125S!

and sunset2004 thx for infos but it's a little bit late as I already bought the above dvd burner...

Serpeant

Thanks Sunset2004.

If you do try it out, let me know how yours go.

I remember in the good old days when the Plextor 820 were varying, but this is the first time I've come across Liteons that are.

In any case, the 5232k rocks.

pcgamer2004

I have a Lite-on SOHW 812S using stock firmware, this forum gave this drive a decent review for defeating game protections. Do any members have this drive and beat newer game protections?

georgedimgd

I agree that the Plextor Premium is the best drive. It writes CDs with better quality than the originals. I've tested it with PlexTools Professional!! Plextor is devoted to make optical drives and the result is the best of everything.

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Thorz

- Are the Liteon LTR-52327S and Sony CRX230E-B2 (they are the same drive no?) bad readers when using them as copying source? Lots of folks here are recommending pairing them with the Liteon DVD-ROM HD166S but I already have a nice Pioneer 106s DVD-ROM slot drive. The slot "no-tray" system is very practical, but it sucks in reading protections, I am not sure how it will be for playing backups but I asume that you can play anything on the burner itself using "hide-media".

- Correct me please: Comparing the Plextor Premium (52/32/52) with the LTR-52327S the only thing that the Liteon cannot do well is the last Securom but it produces backups that are playable in more drives than what Plextor (that is strong in 1:1 Securom and everything else but backups can only be played in the Plextor itself using "hide media" I asume) can produce?

Manijak

What about Toshiba SD-R5372? Should be a nice DVD burner and as I could read it burns also SD 3.2 without probs, anybody tested latest securom and SD 4 and had succes...?

liquidrain101

Of all the cd-rw burners, it seems that the Liteon and Plextor Premium ones are the most recommended. I looked on newegg for the prices and here's the links. (Liteon seems to have a 5238s model now, thats better than the 5237s right?)

Liteon: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...106-942&depa=1

Plextor Premium:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...106-236&depa=1
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...106-235&depa=1

The reason theres two Plextor Premium links is because theres a "-BPS" model and a "/SW" model. I don't know what this means, can anyone explain? Anyway, the first thing I noticed is that the Liteon costs $26 while the Plextor is $78. That's a huge difference. Is PLextor "that" much better than the Liteon to cost so much more? Or are they really close and it would probably be better to get the Liteon and save money?

edit: This LiteOn combo CD-RW writes/DVD Reader 5235k (newer than 5232k) seems to be popular too. It costs around $42 on newegg. http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...106-969&depa=1

What I wonder is, if i had a choice between the 5235k, or the 5238s PLUS a Liteon DVD reader, which would be better? By the way, I can't find any Liteon dvd readers on newegg, where else can you find this online?

liquidrain101

Another question: The First Liteon drive I mentioned above was the SOHR-5238s. Most people seem to be using the LTR-52327s. What's the difference, and why is one SOHR and the other LTR? WHich is better for burning copy protections?

edit: I just checked the Liteon website and the LTR has:
Conforms to Orange Book Part 2 & 3, Volume 3 : Ultra Speed & MMC2 commands

while the SOHR only has:
Conforms to Orange Book Part 2, 3, Volume 2 : High Speed & MMC2 commands

is this important? On the speeds for the SOHR it also says writing: 52x CAV, reading: 52x CAV and rewriting: 32x ZCLV, what's that supposed to mean?

liquidrain101

Why are people talking about DVD burners in this topic? Isn't there another topic for that already?

liquidrain101

Bored, ho hum. Here's the asus drive that also seems to be quite popular. Note that most people are talking about the 5224 model but this is the 5232 model, which I'm guessing is newer and better?

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...135-020&depa=1

I don't know anything about the asus burner, how does it stand to the Liteon burners? THey're almost the same price.

X3M

doesn n e one think there will be any complications installing the LiteOn 52x32x52 LTR-52327S to a dell dimension 2400 series?

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...106-197&depa=1

liquidrain101

Not sure, but you could just buy and install one yourself.

Manijak

sorry m8, u're right, I won't talk anymore about dvd burners in this topic!

X3M

is there n e cables (that grey flat one, power cable) that will need to be purchased with it for installation or does it come with it?

liquidrain101

If you buy the retail version, all the cables should come with it. The one you linked to is a OEM version so there doesn't seem to be any of the cables there except the audio. Will anyone answer the questions I have a few posts before this?

X3M

thanx, i ordered it earlier, i took a look inside the case and the ide cable that runs to the cd-rom has a split in it and also a unused power cord, so everythings set, thanx

furballi

I have an old Mitsumi 4804TE CD writer. It works well for most materials. Unfortunately, I have never tested the latest Safe Disc 3.x and 4.x. Does anyone know if this drive could handle the latest copy protection protocols with the aid of Alcohol or CloneCD?

revgen

1)The "BPS" is an OEM, and the "/SW" is Retail.

2)If you only care about backing up games, go for the Lite-On.

If you care about DAE quality, Write quality, Extra features, and Reliability, go with the Plextor.

$CyBeRwIz$

Plextor is also good with it's VariRec function which enables the best copies of SecuROM 4.8+ protected games around.

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Version 1 is now released! You can get it here.

In it you can learn about SafeDisc, SecuROM and heaps of other protections and learn on how to defeat them. Also you can take a look at some of my various tutorials in it and some frequently asked questions asked. Plus heaps more!
Enjoy!

haliway

$CyBeRwIz$ and FutureProof, what would you choose as cd burner if you were at my place searching the best SD killer (3.xx, 4.xx) and securom and near to all the protections. I need write quality and best bypassing copy protections. Liteon? Plextor? another one?

liquidrain101

Though i'm not an expert in this, I would say get the plextor premium if money is no object. Otherwise, theres quite a few other choices. The ones I listed a few posts above are all good.

haliway

Thx but what's the thinking of the mods?

no answers

so i'm going to buy the last liteon cd burner if nobody won't answer me

$CyBeRwIz$

If you wanted the best all-round drive, then either a ASUS 5232A/5224A or a LiteON 52327S would be a smart move. Both can utilise the TwinPeaks method of backing up SecuROM 4.8+ games and both can copy a SafeDisc protected title (however your chances are limited with 3.15+)

If you have the dosh, also go and buy a Plextor Premium in combination with one of the drives mentioned above. This will make the best copies of a SecuROM 4.8+ protected title anywhere and does not require a TwinPeaks method.

Hope This Helps.

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Version 1 is now released! You can get it here.

In it you can learn about SafeDisc, SecuROM and heaps of other protections and learn on how to defeat them. Also you can take a look at some of my various tutorials in it and some frequently asked questions asked. Plus heaps more!
Enjoy!