I think i will go for an Asus, but i am not sure which one yet. I want i burner that can handle safedisk 2.9 and above, plus the newest securom, with at least the twinpeak method.

Well, I just got my LiteOn, and it sounds like a damn Prat & Whitney Turbine! And some vibration when it's hitting near full stride... Now I hear you all touting the ASUS as the one to get right now!!!!? And it's all quiet?
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Portmac
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At the end of the day, the choice was yours. We just gave you some tips and advice. Different people have different opinions. For me, I don't really care if a drive is loud. You can always get it refunded and choose a different drive.

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Portmac
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(Thanks portmac and no I didn't really mean for it to come off as nasty, more like a laughing anger)

$CyBeRwIz$... PM me what you say that got edited, I wanna SEE it, lol, I bet it's a pretty good flame!

Hehe, I guess having no happy smileys in a post does make a difference!

Could you please comment on the following models I own?
I want to try to copy SecuROM and LaserLok but I'm not sure if they can do the job. So, here it goes:
Sony CRX225E (52/24/52 writer)
LG GDR8162B DVD (will be used as a reader)
Plextor PX-W4824TA (48/24/48 writer)
Sony DRU-510A (DVD writer)

I see LiteOn is very popular in the forum. Should I go for the latest model if the above can't do the job?

I'm quite sure the Sony is a rebadged LiteON, so no need.

You can copy SecuROM with the CloneCD + BWA + Twinpeaks method, located in the Guides and Tutorials sub forum.

For LaserLok, you do not need a particually special writer, and the profiles in Alcohol and CloneCD's downloadable profiles (In the CloneCD subforum in the recording software forum) seem to work.

Thanks for the prompt answer! Just a quick one though:
Which Sony did you mean ? The CD writer or the DVD writer?
Thanks again !!! You're great!!!

Sorry,

Sony CRX225E (52/24/52 writer) that.

Anyone have an opinion on the Newest LiteOn SOHW - 812S DVDRW burner, as far as copy protection goes? I'm thinking about getting one today, but not too sure about how well it can Read/Write, compared to this LTR-52327s?

Wonder if it can back up UT2004 which is SecureRom and not need emulation.

hey
im thinkin of gettin a plex premium coz my pioneer dvr 106d dvd burner isnt a 2 sheep burner, i think. is the lite on 52327s or asus or plex premium better overall?

whats so good about the plextor anyway? everyone says it can do things other burners cant, but dont state it specifically.

so, in your opinion, wich is the best -
the liteon 52327S

or the Asus CRW5224A

also, if their are better models but the same brands, please inform me

thanks for your help!

Tough call for the Asus Vs LiteOn.... I got the lite on 52327s and it's a quite writer, reading is a bitch chainsawish at max, but it's great and does all the protections I've encountered so far... coupled with my 165H, 166S (which I must add, is WAY quieter than the 165H!) I have no reading problems.... and it's cheaper than the Asus also. Plus there is fanatical forum/firmware support which is a DAMN good thing to have, where as when I was deciding on the Asus, I really didn't find much help as far as choice and support... it's good to have forums! Don't get me wrong, the Asus is nice... but I just like the little things liteOn has to offer

The plex... Ahhh, good OLD plex, still trying to live off it's OLD dominate name sake... The plex is truly a work of art, but the PRICE? Haha you could get an 8x DVDRW for a Dead Jefferson more, and all those fine tuning software features, a bunch of frills I say! Has anyone EVER needed that much functionality to burn/back up tough copied righted games before? Nope, do you need it now? Not really... will you actually use ALL the premium functions you're paying nearly 50% more for? Prob not... In this case, the masses choose the cheaply price drives, which work just as good... Plextor is DEAD... Nice come back attempt, but "the pRICE IS WRONG B!TCH!" lol - A.Sandler

That's what I just bought.

Accurate reading and confirmed [by me] to write SD 3.20 with DiscJuggler and CloneCD+FireBurner. I haven't tried secuROM 5 yet, but then I've only got one V5 game and that's on DVD!

Ok Everyone,
I've gone through all of these threads, and one thing has definitely NOT been clear; When all you guys/gals are talking about the Plextor drives, it is consistantly left out as to which Model is being talked about! OK>.........The "Premium" model is the ONLY model capable of "2 SHEEP" (among the Plextor Drives). Since it is impossible to know which drive each posting is talking about (with the exception of those who actually listed the Model), it is also impossible to really know if the ASUS and LiteOn Drives are really better choices. Can anyone Clarify this?
You know, considering the Cost of the Plextor Drives, the things really should be the best in performance. I know, I know, it 'ain't so! But I've seen brand New Plextor Drive (the Premium Model) priced at 84 bucks. I Intend to purchase two drives((5/31/04*got them about two weeks ago--LiteON 52327s, and LiteOn 166 DVD-r*)), and I am currently torn between the Asus Models 5224 or 5232aw..((not the 5232a, which apparently is very noisy...which common sense says it most likely is subjected to excessive vibration compared to the newer, quieter model))>>>>>>The Liteon LTR-48125, and the Plextor PREMIUM CD-RW. I'll probably get the Asus 5232aw, and the Liteon 48125w.((*going to get one more...Probably the Asus*))
Ok... this mess about readers; some seem to think you need a reader specifically for this purpose, and then a Writer for writing. I would think the Plextor Premium would be a great reader, and then the Liteon or Asus would be the writer. Is having such a setup really better?
Finally, I considered that somewhere out there, some company MUST make an EXTREME high quality CD-RW drive....built to precise Specifications, and designed for the person who'd be willing to spend 500 bucks on a single drive to get one which would give truly incredible, truly outstanding performance. Does such a Drive exist to the General Public? I'm not talking about those 5-drive things. I mean a single drive made entirely of precision cut Metal components...with tolerences within, say, 1/2000 of an inch.. or better. If someone out there knows of such a company or drive, SPILL IT! LOL
Thanks........... (smile)
Jay

The plex premium is a 1 1/2 sheep (maybe 1 3/4 sheep) drive. Up to safedisc 2.8x it can be considered a 2 sheep model and some individual writers handle sd 2.9+ and even sd 3.15+ without difficulties (but then again, some don't). Further, at present, it is unquestionably the best drive for securom 4.8+ backups and, in general, is a very high quality drive.

However, there is no guarantee at all that a plex premium will handle sd 2.9+ and, in particular, no guarantee that it will cope with sd 3.15+. Of course, there is no guarantee that the latest Lite-on models will either.

Unfortunately, at present, there is no one writer that will do it all reliably. 52x Asus models are very reliable with all versions of safedisc and Jackass has had good results with that protection with the latest A-Open model.

However, many people have had issues with the writing quality of Asus drives and, indeed, whilst I currently have an Asus CRW-5224A that handles all versions of safedisc and securom with the twinpeak method (Lite-on Ltd-163 dvd, a very tolerant reader, to run the back-ups), there is no doubt in my mind that its writing quality is inferior to that of my old Lite-on Ltr-24102B and that it is significantly more media picky.

In short, the "perfect" drive that you seek doesn't exist. All the major brands have their various strengths and weaknesses and which you choose, if only one, depends upon what you mainly want to do with your writer.

My current preference, and what I now have on my system, is an Asus CRW-5224A partnered with a Lite-on Ltd-163. Whilst you probably can't buy an Ltd-163 any more, the Ltd-166S is, by all accounts, equally tolerant.

Spooky, mine is an Lite-On LTD-163D partnered with an Asus CRW-5232AS.

I'm keeping my LTR-40125S for too, but mainly for data and audio leaving the Asus for SD 3.15 +, it coped with Callof Duty so its OK to SD 3.10

I am about to buy a new burner as my LTR-48246S won't burn anymore and just gives me 'power calibration errors'. It still reads fine though. What I want to know is if I should get a DVD burner and also a CD burner since I backup all my games.

So far the Liteon SOHW 812s seems to be the best all rounder DVD burner and best value for money as It does DVD's well and also does some copy protections. The Pioneer 107D in the review's page just didn't seem to perform very well. and doesn't have the CD+G feature. Would it have this feature now or in new firmware?

I also think that getting another CD burner would be a good idea since the DVD burner won't do a few of the newer protections. I was thinking of getting a Liteon 52x32x52 (LTR-52327S ?) since they are relatively cheap and seem to do all protections. I can also get the Asus 52x burner if that is better at protections.

If anyone know's of a DVD burner that can do all or a lot of the current protections please let me know. If there isn't, what combo of drives do you recommend? At the moment I haven't been able to find any Toshiba DVD burners available in Australia.

I also have a Liteon LTD-166s I think it is, comes up as JLMS XJ-HD166S in Nero InfoTool.

P.S. I'm not new, I just changed accounts

EDIT: I found a place in Australia that sells Plextor Premium CD burners but at $235 I think it is way too much.

Get the ASUS, it is well built and burns great.

HI Folks,
I posted somewhere else in here that I purchased the Lite-On 52327, and The LiteOn 166 (it concerned a similar subject). I have not tried to make a backup copy of any game with Safedisc 3x yet, but plan to soon. I have tried it with IGI2, and it made a backup copy which does not require any Emulation. Ok... I read in this thread where some people are having luck making backups of Games using 3x safedisc, but are people talking about stand-alone copies, or backups which need some kind of emulation running while the discs are used? Also, two different drives are mentioned; the Asus 5224, and the New A-Open (but it was not said which model) in which people are having luck with safedisc 3x. After reading and reading and reading, It's starting to become clear that's it is not the model of drive used (although specific models do much better than others), it is perhaps quality control in the good models, and some being just better by enough to do what an exact counterpart cannot. So maybe what is required is to get one of the recommended drives, try it, and if it does not perform as well as what that model sometimes can, then sell it and buy another of the exact same model...until one gets a drive which is accurate enough to make backups of those difficult copy protections. So (when I can afford it), I guess I'll buy more CD-RW drives until I get units which give top performance. I'm still currently testing/experimenting with the units I just purchased.
Opinion's.....between the Asus 5224 and the 5232 (the new model), which do you guys think is the better drive? And about this A-open drive... which model is the new one someone out there has had luck when making backups of safedisc 3x?
I'm beginning to think some of the drive manufacturers out there are actually making drives which deliberately do not make backups as well as some of their older models. Is there any truth to this? And firmware....I'm afraid to mess with upgrading it because there's that possibility the newer versions will deliberately mess with the drives ability to make backups of games... any truth to this as well?
Have a great one!
jt405

I seriously doubt that CD Unit manufacturers would be making their products down-grade, i think the CD protections are getting to complex for the buners, no matter how good they are.

Seems the new Liteon 832S Dual Layer DVDRW I have coupled with a Plextor Premium for reading can defeat just about anything - have used the Plex to topple Securom well, and the new Liteon seems to be great for Safedisc stuff. Using mostly Blindwrite 5, and Alcohol 120%. I remember reading somewhere that the Liteon 832 dual layer burner was doing well for Safedisc 2 and 3 stuff. Oh well just my thoughts.

Timereaver

Can anybody else confirm that the Liteon 832S Dual is great for Safedisc 3.x? Can it beat the latest Safedisc 3.2x? And should it be used for both reading and writing?

You probably wont have trouble up to SD3.2 .

Thanks everyone...I purchased a 166 DVD "liteon" reader & a 52327s CD-RW a few Months ago... and the combo works very well. Hey, I obtained the info in here!
Thanks!
jt405