Lee5k

Hi all
just been reading all ya post very interesting, one question for the masters is it possible to apply the speed camera alerts to the Pioneer Navteq ?
please let me know asap kind rgds Lee5k

tonytamuf

I have lost 3 verbatium DVD's so far

ok so first I lost a dvd by trying to do a direct copy through nero.

then I copied the .iso and .msd file out
I used decrypter to burn it, however I couldnt set the boot type to dvd rom because I have a matshita dvd burner on my laptop. and there is no matshita tab to select dvd rom

third dvd I downloaded alcohol 120% and tried burning it with the trial version and in the recording options I clicked the "Book Type DVD+R/DVD+RW disc as DVD-ROM while burning" still didnt work can someone please help tell me what to do. I am just trying to backup my lexus navi dvd update


Also this might be a stupid question but do I need to select the .msd file to burn or can I use the .iso file

fljoemon

Hello tonytamuf,

If you could try to use a DVD burner that sets the DVD+DL disk booktype to DVD-ROM, I believe you can easily copy your navigation DVD disk using DVDDecrypter ISO Read/Wrire capability.

Some of the DVD burners that let you set book type are BenQ 1620/1640/1655, Plextor 716/740, Sony DRU-810A etc ....

You can pick up a OEM BenQ 1655 at Newegg for $53.99 :- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827101006

They also have a retail SONY DRU-810A on sale which is a re-badged BenQ1640 :- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827131261

Typically you would select the .MDS file to burn with DVDDecrypter since this is the file that contains the layer break information.

tonytamuf

if I didnt have to buy one it would be prefered. since I have a laptop I cant really upgrade. anyone got some ideas?

tonytamuf

help please?

Trendi1982

Hi Guys,

I got a BMW Route Map Europe 2006 and want to use Backup copys instead of the original, can someone please explain me how I can do it? I got a DVD writer/reader and the DVD is from Navteq and is 4.09 Gigabites big.....I tried to copy it on DVD-R but it doesn't work.

Any help is much appreciated.

Thanks,

Trendi

ken830

I'm trying to copy a Chrysler RB1 Navigation DVD. It's a NavTeq disc.

I'm using:

NEC-3540A (FW 1.01)
DVD Decrypter 3.5.4.0
Verbatim DVD+R DL

I used DVD Decrypter ISO read mode to read/generate ISO/MDS files. I made sure to change book-type to DVD-ROM and selected the MDS file before using DVD Decrypter to write back the image.

Navigation system immediately rejects the disc with an error message saying it's unable to read it and to check the disc.

Any hints? I know fljoemon used a BenQ 1620 drive. Anyone else who's been successful use another drive?

I've now updated the drive firmware to 1.03. Not sure if I should give it another shot. I don't think it'll make much difference.

Can't afford to waste too many more DL discs. I've gone through two RiData's (couldn't even finish writing) and one Verbatim. I've got two more Verbatim's.

Any help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated. These discs are expensive, and I'd rather not use/keep the original in the car.

-Ken

cnlson

have you used WinBTypeV2.exe to set the booktype of DL media to dvd-rom? check WinBTypeV2.exe (download it if you don't have it) with factory firmware that is your only option to set booktype

__________________
When you flirt with death, you run the risk that death has something more serious in mind.

-- Current optical hardware

• Maddog Megastor 16x (Nec 3500) x2
• Nec 3540
• Liteon 1633 USB Ext (scanning and ripping only)
• Liteon 48161H
• Liteon 52246 USB Ext

-- Retired:

• Maddog DOMINATOR 8x (Nec 2500) x2
• benq 1620 (returned) nice catch quickee , 4012EU
• Liteon 811s, 411s, 48161H usb 2.0 ext, 52246, 48246, 40125, ltd-163
• LG 8400, 8163
• Plex r820ti
• S& F Rocket RW (Sanyo RW1) Ext Scsi x 2,SpeedWriter 4012 (teac r55s) Ext Scsi
• Hp 7200E

ken830

Thanks cnlson.

I remember flashing with a Mad Dog firmware when I first got the drive. I haven't touched it before attempting to copy the Nav disc. Just now, I upgraded it to 1.03 from the firmware page (http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?download_id=2109). I couldn't get the Mad Dog 1.F1 f/w to flash. I get a "Target NEC ND-3540A is not found correctly" message.

DVD Decrypter says the booktype change was a "success." Not sure if that means it really worked or not. After writing the disc, DVD Decrypter reports:

Does that mean the book type was set properly or not? Now, I'm not sure. I'll try to find the WinBTypeV2.exe utility.

ken830

Okay, I grabbed the winbtypev2.exe from the mad dog site. When I run it, I see this:



Looks like it's already okay.... Right?

cnlson

should be. i have no idea what they have done to the reader to lock it off. most "readers" are not supposted to be able to tell a bookmarked disc from the real thing

__________________
When you flirt with death, you run the risk that death has something more serious in mind.

-- Current optical hardware

• Maddog Megastor 16x (Nec 3500) x2
• Nec 3540
• Liteon 1633 USB Ext (scanning and ripping only)
• Liteon 48161H
• Liteon 52246 USB Ext

-- Retired:

• Maddog DOMINATOR 8x (Nec 2500) x2
• benq 1620 (returned) nice catch quickee , 4012EU
• Liteon 811s, 411s, 48161H usb 2.0 ext, 52246, 48246, 40125, ltd-163
• LG 8400, 8163
• Plex r820ti
• S& F Rocket RW (Sanyo RW1) Ext Scsi x 2,SpeedWriter 4012 (teac r55s) Ext Scsi
• Hp 7200E

ken830

Hmm.. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "reader" or "bookmarked disc" in this case. Are you saying I shouldn't be able to tell it's a "DVD+R DL" after recording the disc with the "DVD-ROM" bitsetting?

cnlson

i am saying the navigation units dvd reader shouldn't be able to tell

__________________
When you flirt with death, you run the risk that death has something more serious in mind.

-- Current optical hardware

• Maddog Megastor 16x (Nec 3500) x2
• Nec 3540
• Liteon 1633 USB Ext (scanning and ripping only)
• Liteon 48161H
• Liteon 52246 USB Ext

-- Retired:

• Maddog DOMINATOR 8x (Nec 2500) x2
• benq 1620 (returned) nice catch quickee , 4012EU
• Liteon 811s, 411s, 48161H usb 2.0 ext, 52246, 48246, 40125, ltd-163
• LG 8400, 8163
• Plex r820ti
• S& F Rocket RW (Sanyo RW1) Ext Scsi x 2,SpeedWriter 4012 (teac r55s) Ext Scsi
• Hp 7200E

ken830

Oh. I see. Yeah. I agree, it shouldn't. But it doesn't seem like it's struggling to read the disc or anything. It rejects it fairly quickly.

I feel like my only options are to try it again with the newer firmware, or buy a BenQ drive.

fast330ci

Ken830,

I am in the same boat as you are. I was trying to back up my 06 Acura TL NAV DVD disk (Nav Tech disc) and so far unsuccessful. However my car didn't eject the DVD right away, it just said that there is an error reading the disc or incompatible disc. I also have exact hardware, software and media you have listed.

NEC - ND-3540 Burner, FW 1.W5
DVD Decrypter to read and write ISO
Verbatim DVD+R DL 2.4X, set booktype to DVD-ROM

My DVD decrypter gave exact the same DVD info (backup DVD) as yours.

I have done a lot of DVD movie backup and I knew the Media and burner are the most important ingredient to a working copy of DVD. In this case, the media should not be an issue, based on my research, Verbatim DVD+R DL is one of the best media out there. I am also leaning toward the DVD burner, might have to spend another $50 for a new BenQ 1655.

Please let me know if you figure it out. I will keep looking for a solution and will post a result if I can successfully make a functional backup.

Thx, Fast330ci

ken830

fast330ci,

Mine didn't eject it either (Maybe you misread "reject"?). But I do get an error message almost immediately. Within 2-3 seconds.

Yesterday, I tried another burn with the (slightly) updated firmware with identical results.

I think we should definitely try something. I now see a few paths we can take:

1) Try DVD-R DL media (Very difficult to find, and still pretty expensive)
2) Get the BenQ (Even more expensive, really no need for another drive if it doesn't work)
3) Try DVD-R DL media in the BenQ (Most expensive)

I guess DVD-R DL is the cheapest thing to try first. Although I highly doubt it'll even work. Getting a BenQ drive and trying our existing DVD+R DL media seems like the best bet, although it still feels like a pretty long shot. The last option would be the last-ditch effort.

fljoemon

Looks like the DVD navigation software makers have changed the encryption on these discs. I ordered an updated disc for my Infiniti G35 (the maker is Zenrin - DVD Version 7.1) ans now I cannot make a backup copy either using BenQ and the Verbatim DVD+R Dual Layer disks. I even tried it on my new BenQ 1655 and exact same results ... the disc won't read in the car navigation system.

So unless someone figures out the encryption it will be hard to make a backup of these discs.

fast330ci

Ken830,

Somewhat good news, I thought I give it a try, I burned partial NAV DVD using regular DVD-R (4.7GB), I removed just enough files to make it fit, two files were removed, POI and STR extensions. These files are for point of interest and street name files ~2.8GB.

Guess what, it works, the backup DVD loaded correctly and there are a couple things I cannot do, i.e. serching for address, places and also the street name doesn't show up either because the STR file was removed. The GPS works fine tracking the street on the map correctly.

Apparently, the disc has no protection, this led me to believe the problem is probably the media. One thing I noticed from the burned DVD-R disc is that the burning surface looks much smoother than the DVD+R DL.

Next step is to try the DVD-R DL like you indicated on the last thread. I found 3 pack Verbatim DVD-R DL for ~ $18, see link below.

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/Skusearch...iteria=3735489

FYI, Below is the disc info on the burned DVD-R

_NEC DVD_RW ND-3540A 1.W5 (ATA)
Current Profile: DVD-R

Disc Information:
Status: Complete
Erasable: No
Sessions: 1
Sectors: 2,072,032
Size: 4,243,521,536 bytes
Time: 460:29:07 (MM:SS:FF)

Pre-recorded Information:
Manufacturer ID: RITEKG05

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Book Type: DVD-R
Part Version: 5
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,268,639
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0

Also one other thing I noticed between original NAV DVD and burned DVD+R DL is the track path, original DVD is Parallel Track Path (PTP) and the backup DVD+R DL is Opposite Track Path (OTP). Does anyone know if this could be the culprit? Anybody who has the DVD-R DL, can you please confirm if it is PTP or OTP? The burned DVD-R is PTP like the original DVD, this could be coincident.

Anybody has any suggestions, please let me know. Ken830, try burning DVD-R and let me know.

Thx, Fast330ci

ken830

Hmm.. this is bad news. So, you're still able to copy older Zenrin DVDs? I'm hoping the new Navteq DVDs aren't protected either. It really doesn't seem like it though. Unless they've designed their older drives to support some sort of special copy-protection, they're really limited on what they can do to protect the discs.




Fast 330ci,

Thanks for the good news. Now, let me clarify. Since you removed two files, did you just copy the remaining files/folders? Using something like Nero to burn the remaining files/folders as a regular data disc? I'll give it a try tomorrow (later today, since it's like 3am) and will let you know.

BTW, aLL dual/double-layer drives burn discs at OTP. There's just no way around it. That's all we have at the moment. It may or may not be the culprit, but since others have been successful before, I'm hoping that it's not.

fast330ci

Ken830,

I just burned all the files except those POI and STR as normal DVD data files using normal burning software (Ulead Movie Factory). I am sure any burning software will be fine.

I just placed an order for 3 packs Verbatim DVD-R DL here from Newegg. I really think it is the media compatibility problem, hopefully the DVD-R DL would do the trick.

The other test would be burning less than 4.7GB (utilizing layer 0 only) on the DVD+R DL to see if it will read but I didn't want to waste another good and expensive disc. This will confirm for sure whether or not the OTP is an issue.

I will let you know, the order should arrive on Tuesday.

Thx, Fast330ci

ken830

If you burn only layer 0 on a dual/double layer disc, the track path wouldn't apply. It refers to the way/direction the second layer is recorded. I'm sure no matter what, the disc will be tagged as OTP, even when only one layer is used.

ken830

Okay. I don't have the same kind of files you're seeing on your DVD. So, it wasn't as simple as taking out the POI and street name files. This is how mine looks like:



So, I tried to burn everything except for "DCA0.AR0" and "DCA0.AR1" I replaced them with empty dummy files. It was 1524MB, so I had to do a slight overburn onto DVD+R media. Didn't work.

I'll try a few more things, but I'm starting to waste a whole lot of media!

fast330ci

Ken830,

I am giving up, the DVD-R DL arrived today, tried it and same problem, it doesn't read.

It doesn't look like you have any luck either. My NAV file structure is totally different.

Hope the best luck to you.

Later, Fast330ci

ken830

Sorry to hear it didn't work for you. I'll skip the DVD-R DL media, and wait for a deal on the Benq 1655. I'll let you know.

David_C

Hi all,
My Volvo is currently running on a backup copy of my 0450 Disk

My Volvo Navteq experiences are as follows:-

Note:- You must be running with NTFS Disks to cope with the large file size!!!!

The programs I have used are,
Nero 6.6.0.16 Enterprise
Alcohol 120% 1.9.5.3105
DVDDecrypter 3.5.4
LiteOn BookType Utility 1.3.5

DVD Burner
LiteOn SOHW1693S

To copy my own 0450 DVD I did the following
Create an image file I have used Nero - NRG or DVDDecrypter - ISO
Open Alcohol 120% and click image finder - use the location box to select the drive
containing the image file and click 'Search' Once the files have been found you
can click the 'Stop' button if you wish. Right click on the image file and left click
on 'Add selected Files to Alcohol 120%' now close the image finder window. Your file
should now be listed in the main alcohol 120% window.
Right click on the image file left click on 'Properties'
The Size should be 7917.58 MB and the white box reads
session 01/Track 01/Mode DVD/Address 00000000/Length 04053800(7.73GB)
If the above is true then the image is valid and should burn OK.

I have burnt the image to Traxdata DVD +R DL 2.4X book type DVD+R and DVD ROM
both work file - book type is not important for Volvo DVD Reader.
To booktype the Liteon to make a DVD+R as DVD-ROM use LiteON's own booktype utility.