Jedi Academy protection? - Club CDFreaks

johnboy183 · 21-09-2003

I've just bought the recently released game in the UK and find that the protection is Safedisc 2.9 according to Clony xxl. I'd been led to believe that this game was Securom 4x protected and even the online manual refers to its "Securom advisors". My Clony is up to date and I have scanned the discs several times.
Anyone any ideas before I create a pile of coasters?

Lazer · 21-09-2003

According to here:

http://www.petemoore.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ (Star Wars...)

That game is Securom 4.84.84.0020 protected.

Another way to tell if it has Securom protection is read the disk with the .bwa builder (Physical CD characteristic dumper) in Blindwrite, and see if you get the characteristic curve interrupted by sections of small peaks. (Difficult to explain if you haven't seen it before but see here: http://www.petemoore.pwp.blueyonder....CECITY_BWA.gif).

HTH

Lazer.

(Links courtesy of Bulk)

johnboy183 · 21-09-2003

Thanks Lazer was coming to that conclusion as even Alcohol shows it as Securom 4x. Unfortunatelly I had to give up on Blindwrite a while ago as it messed my system up so will look to see if anyone can let me have a BWA or MDS for this game.
Thanks again

Johnboy183

*BadReligionPR* · 21-09-2003

Hey, I've got this game and it's SecuROM 4.84 blah blah blah. I can make a bwa if you want.

johnboy183 · 22-09-2003

That would be great if you could. Just let me know if you need my email address and will reply back. Hope I can return the favour at some time.
Johnboy183

*BadReligionPR* · 23-09-2003

Beautiful BWA if I ever saw one. Sorry I don't have time to test today but it looks like it should work.

Submitted by: BadReligionPR
09-22-2003
Title: Star Wars Jedi Knight Jedi Academy
Drive: Lite-On LTR-48125W
Software: Alcohol 1.4.6.711, 1x.
Size: 23.5KB
Graph Enclosed: Yes

Download It!

*BadReligionPR* · 23-09-2003

Forgot - in case you hadn't figured it out, the BWA is for CD1 (Play). Also, mds was actually made at 4x, not 1x.

**philamber** · 23-09-2003

It's obvious that different protections are being used in different countries. USA release is securom 4.8x; UK release is safedisc 2.9.

poopeyhed2 · 24-09-2003

I'm sorry, I've been away from all this BWA files, I see that you used a Lite-On device to make the BWA, it's OK to use it with my Asus 5424A?

Thanks

*Andareed* · 24-09-2003

Should be ok. Just compare your graph to the one posted once you are finished.

johnboy183 · 24-09-2003

Thanks BadReligionPR. Hope this protection is Securom and not SD 2.9 (see Philamber)
I actually managed to come up with an MDS yesterday that works in Virtual Drive but as it loads it says "please insert CD1 in Cd Rom" - or similar. I found to make it work all you need to do is put one of the previously burned Jedi Academy coasters in the Burner and then click on the Virtual Drive icon mounted with the Image. Take out the coaster as the game loads and off you go! It works every time ( I used a ccd and an mds coaster and both worked!). I assume the disc is acting as a Boot disc as the manual says the disc is only required to load the game and does nothing beyond that. This appears true as leaving the disc out after it has fired up leaves the game running problem free! You learn something every day!
Will try the BWA and report back.
Johnboy

*BadReligionPR* · 24-09-2003

@poopeyhed2: Please take note I used Alcohol to make this, followed by converting MDS=>BWA. The graphs made by BWA builder were quite horrible.

johnboy183: Go into regedit and find Jedi Academy's entry under Local Machine/Lucas Arts/Jedi Academy (or something like that). There are two entries regarding the path from which it was installed and where it looks for it (for instance E:\ and E: on mine). Change these to your virtual drive's letter.

Chokito · 24-09-2003

johnboy183

i just got the Australian version today

and it's safedisc 2.90.040
aswell as your uk version

and I just backed it up just fine
without bwa files

johnboy183 · 24-09-2003

BRPR - Unfortunatelly the game wont load or run with the Twinpeaked BWA and ccd mix and changing the drives in Regedit does nothing! - so am seriuosly thinking that Philamber and Clonny are right and that what I have is a SD2.9 protection (given it is a UK version)!
Chokito - I hope as the "man who doesn't need to remember" you certainly can remember and give us the lowdown on what software and settings you used as SD2.9 is supposed to outwit all current methodologies according to other threads - you may just have the answer!
Thanks
Johnboy183

*Andareed* · 24-09-2003

@johnboy183: If it is safedisc, you will see errors from sector 100-11000. Also, if it's safedisc, i doubt you could make a very good bwa. If it is securom, your bwa graph will look like the one from badreligionpr.

johnboy183 · 24-09-2003

Just managed to get a reading from another protection detector and its definatelly SD2.9!!!! So its back to the drawing board but it proves that SD2.9 will run on an Alcohol Virtual Drive as my earlier post using an otherwise useless Jedi "coaster" still works well. This was mounted using an mds created in Alcohol

So for those out there want a way to run an Sd2.9 game in virtual Drive this appears to be one way.
thanks to all for the help - any more would be gratefully received!
Johnboy183

Chokito · 25-09-2003

ok Johnboy183

i copied it with Alcohol 120%
do you have that to use ?
if so what version ?
it's just that the wording is slightly different with different versions

johnboy183 · 25-09-2003

Chokito,
Not having a good day today! Hit the wrong button in the earlier post and then my connection dropped out as I pressed to send a proper reply!
Yes I do use Alcohol. It is Alcohol120% Version1.4.3.410 and works fine usually. I have mainly used it to prepare mds files to mount on virtual drive which it does excellently but have tended to use CloneCD for most of my CD burns.
My burner is a Sony CRX 140E which according to all the pundits shouldnt be able to burn anything with decent protection!! However it has burned just about every game I have asked of it with a bit of ingenuity - including Securom 4.8 and SD 2.8
Hope this helps:

Johnboy183

Chokito · 26-09-2003

ok mine is a new burner
this is what worked with my burner

but i don't know if this will work for you then
so yours is a 32x8x4 is it, i would think it would work

anyway here's the options i used
hope the wording is the same, may slightly differ in your version

Under Emulation options:

I have checked that "Ignore media Type" : Ticked
Launch CD/DVD Manager : Ticked
RMPS : : Ticked

Under the Image Wizard:
Reading :

Device: LG GCE-8520B (Burner)
Read Speed: 4 (or slower)

Fast Reading Errors: Ticked (enabled)
Fast Error Skip Blocks: Ticked
Advanced Sector Scanning (factor 100): Unticked
Read Subchannel Data from Current Disc: Unticked
Data Posistion Measurement (Precision:Normal): Unticked
(Datatype: Customize)

Under the Image Burning Wizard:
Writing :

Device: LG GCE-8520B
Write Speed: 8 (slow as possible)
Write Method: Raw DAO

Enable Buffer Underrun Technology: Ticked
Don't Close the Last Session of Current Disc: Unticked
Bypass EMF Error: Unticked
Rectify Sub-Channel Data: Unticked
(Datatype: Customize)

So give it a go anyway
the game works for me on another computer that has NO Emulation

Namor27 · 27-09-2003

Would someone please be kind enough to tell me what program and settings I should use to copy a U.S. Jedi Academy (Securom 4.8x) disc? The Alcohol forum says their program can't copy it because of something called "Blacklist" and will address the issue in their next version.

Chokito · 28-09-2003

well Johnboy183
did it work for you ???

johnboy183 · 28-09-2003

Sorry for not getting back earlier on this. Nope it didn't work! Followed your directions to the letter where mine was able to support the option but no joy. Guess it's time to trade in the old Tosh for something more up to date. Still the virtual drive version works so I'm not stuck.
Thanks for the advice
johnboy183

Chokito · 29-09-2003

okay with that disc
before you make it a coaster

did you install the game from that disc or the virtual drive image ?
try it from the disc.

also, i've hear some people say that some games wont run (from the cd) if a virtual drive is installed.

so try uninstalling Alcohol and any other virtual drive you have (maybe Clonecd) and try the disc again.

may not work, but it's worth a try

like you said it may be your burner
i don't know enough about them to help with that

The Sims Superstar has the same protection
someone said

Quote:

Just ensure that "Ignore media Type" is disabled.

I had it on, so maybe untick it.

kivas · 17-10-2003

It would appear that I was able to back up jedi academy properly ... yet when I test it ..as in re-install using those 2 discs.. installs fine.. and playing multiplayer works perfect.. but when I go to play single player .. it says wrong cd..

any thoughts .. did I back these up the wrong way ?

I used nero, and blindwrite... same outcome with both.

please help a newbie ..

Sorry for the re-post, but I'm not sure which thread this should be under.

kivas · 17-10-2003

Scratch that ... I re-burned disc one.. not sure what I did different and now it works just fine. This way I can put away the originals.. considering my son accidentaly broker my jedi knight II disc.. and had to buy another one... I learned the hard way

21-09-2003	#1 (permalink)
johnboy183 New on Forum Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 12	Jedi Academy protection? <a href='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a13febf7&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE' target='_blank'><img src='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/avw.php?zoneid=30&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE&n=a13febf7' border='0' alt='' /></a> I've just bought the recently released game in the UK and find that the protection is Safedisc 2.9 according to Clony xxl. I'd been led to believe that this game was Securom 4x protected and even the online manual refers to its "Securom advisors". My Clony is up to date and I have scanned the discs several times. Anyone any ideas before I create a pile of coasters?

21-09-2003	#2 (permalink)
Lazer CD Freaks Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 138	According to here: http://www.petemoore.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ (Star Wars...) That game is Securom 4.84.84.0020 protected. Another way to tell if it has Securom protection is read the disk with the .bwa builder (Physical CD characteristic dumper) in Blindwrite, and see if you get the characteristic curve interrupted by sections of small peaks. (Difficult to explain if you haven't seen it before but see here: http://www.petemoore.pwp.blueyonder....CECITY_BWA.gif). HTH Lazer. (Links courtesy of Bulk) Last edited by Lazer; 21-09-2003 at 13:15.

21-09-2003	#4 (permalink)
BadReligionPR Retired Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: CT USA Posts: 1,186	Hey, I've got this game and it's SecuROM 4.84 blah blah blah. I can make a bwa if you want. __________________ BRPR Pumping Iron & Sweating Steel (for 30 years) - Joe Grushecky And The Iron City Houserockers - "Labels come and go. The music remains. Music companies are generally the enemy of the musician." Junior's Bar where the band is playing, just for me. They play real loud, they move the crowd, It's a poor boy's symphony. Junior's Bar, until they kill the neon lights, I hope I don't go home alone tonight. Iron City Sampler Free Peltier

22-09-2003	#5 (permalink)
johnboy183 New on Forum Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 12	Jedi Academy BWA That would be great if you could. Just let me know if you need my email address and will reply back. Hope I can return the favour at some time. Johnboy183

23-09-2003	#6 (permalink)
BadReligionPR Retired Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: CT USA Posts: 1,186	Beautiful BWA if I ever saw one. Sorry I don't have time to test today but it looks like it should work. Submitted by: BadReligionPR 09-22-2003 Title: Star Wars Jedi Knight Jedi Academy Drive: Lite-On LTR-48125W Software: Alcohol 1.4.6.711, 1x. Size: 23.5KB Graph Enclosed: Yes Download It! __________________ BRPR Pumping Iron & Sweating Steel (for 30 years) - Joe Grushecky And The Iron City Houserockers - "Labels come and go. The music remains. Music companies are generally the enemy of the musician." Junior's Bar where the band is playing, just for me. They play real loud, they move the crowd, It's a poor boy's symphony. Junior's Bar, until they kill the neon lights, I hope I don't go home alone tonight. Iron City Sampler Free Peltier Last edited by BadReligionPR; 23-09-2003 at 01:55.

21-09-2003	#3 (permalink)
johnboy183 New on Forum Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 12	Thanks Lazer was coming to that conclusion as even Alcohol shows it as Securom 4x. Unfortunatelly I had to give up on Blindwrite a while ago as it messed my system up so will look to see if anyone can let me have a BWA or MDS for this game. Thanks again Johnboy183

23-09-2003	#7 (permalink)
BadReligionPR Retired Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: CT USA Posts: 1,186	Forgot - in case you hadn't figured it out, the BWA is for CD1 (Play). Also, mds was actually made at 4x, not 1x. __________________ BRPR Pumping Iron & Sweating Steel (for 30 years) - Joe Grushecky And The Iron City Houserockers - "Labels come and go. The music remains. Music companies are generally the enemy of the musician." Junior's Bar where the band is playing, just for me. They play real loud, they move the crowd, It's a poor boy's symphony. Junior's Bar, until they kill the neon lights, I hope I don't go home alone tonight. Iron City Sampler Free Peltier

23-09-2003	#8 (permalink)
philamber Legal Senior Admin Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: True Blue Posts: 6,731	It's obvious that different protections are being used in different countries. USA release is securom 4.8x; UK release is safedisc 2.9. __________________ ¿?¤»~Hôw Çåñ ï mï§§ ¥ôü ïf ¥ôü wôñ'± gô åwå¥~»¤¿?

24-09-2003	#9 (permalink)
poopeyhed2 CD Freaks Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 118	I'm sorry, I've been away from all this BWA files, I see that you used a Lite-On device to make the BWA, it's OK to use it with my Asus 5424A? Thanks

24-09-2003	#10 (permalink)
Andareed Author of D-Tools Add-on Utilities Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 323	Should be ok. Just compare your graph to the one posted once you are finished. __________________ DAEMON Tools Developer

24-09-2003	#11 (permalink)
johnboy183 New on Forum Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 12	At last a use for coasters! Thanks BadReligionPR. Hope this protection is Securom and not SD 2.9 (see Philamber) I actually managed to come up with an MDS yesterday that works in Virtual Drive but as it loads it says "please insert CD1 in Cd Rom" - or similar. I found to make it work all you need to do is put one of the previously burned Jedi Academy coasters in the Burner and then click on the Virtual Drive icon mounted with the Image. Take out the coaster as the game loads and off you go! It works every time ( I used a ccd and an mds coaster and both worked!). I assume the disc is acting as a Boot disc as the manual says the disc is only required to load the game and does nothing beyond that. This appears true as leaving the disc out after it has fired up leaves the game running problem free! You learn something every day! Will try the BWA and report back. Johnboy

24-09-2003	#12 (permalink)
BadReligionPR Retired Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: CT USA Posts: 1,186	@poopeyhed2: Please take note I used Alcohol to make this, followed by converting MDS=>BWA. The graphs made by BWA builder were quite horrible. johnboy183: Go into regedit and find Jedi Academy's entry under Local Machine/Lucas Arts/Jedi Academy (or something like that). There are two entries regarding the path from which it was installed and where it looks for it (for instance E:\ and E: on mine). Change these to your virtual drive's letter. __________________ BRPR Pumping Iron & Sweating Steel (for 30 years) - Joe Grushecky And The Iron City Houserockers - "Labels come and go. The music remains. Music companies are generally the enemy of the musician." Junior's Bar where the band is playing, just for me. They play real loud, they move the crowd, It's a poor boy's symphony. Junior's Bar, until they kill the neon lights, I hope I don't go home alone tonight. Iron City Sampler Free Peltier

24-09-2003	#13 (permalink)
Chokito New on Forum Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 11	johnboy183 i just got the Australian version today and it's safedisc 2.90.040 aswell as your uk version and I just backed it up just fine without bwa files __________________ He that gives, should never remember; He that receives, should never forget.

24-09-2003	#14 (permalink)
johnboy183 New on Forum Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 12	BRPR - Unfortunatelly the game wont load or run with the Twinpeaked BWA and ccd mix and changing the drives in Regedit does nothing! - so am seriuosly thinking that Philamber and Clonny are right and that what I have is a SD2.9 protection (given it is a UK version)! Chokito - I hope as the "man who doesn't need to remember" you certainly can remember and give us the lowdown on what software and settings you used as SD2.9 is supposed to outwit all current methodologies according to other threads - you may just have the answer! Thanks Johnboy183

24-09-2003	#15 (permalink)
Andareed Author of D-Tools Add-on Utilities Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 323	@johnboy183: If it is safedisc, you will see errors from sector 100-11000. Also, if it's safedisc, i doubt you could make a very good bwa. If it is securom, your bwa graph will look like the one from badreligionpr. __________________ DAEMON Tools Developer

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24-09-2003	#16 (permalink)
johnboy183 New on Forum Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 12	Just managed to get a reading from another protection detector and its definatelly SD2.9!!!! So its back to the drawing board but it proves that SD2.9 will run on an Alcohol Virtual Drive as my earlier post using an otherwise useless Jedi "coaster" still works well. This was mounted using an mds created in Alcohol So for those out there want a way to run an Sd2.9 game in virtual Drive this appears to be one way. thanks to all for the help - any more would be gratefully received! Johnboy183

25-09-2003	#17 (permalink)
Chokito New on Forum Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 11	ok Johnboy183 i copied it with Alcohol 120% do you have that to use ? if so what version ? it's just that the wording is slightly different with different versions __________________ He that gives, should never remember; He that receives, should never forget.

25-09-2003	#18 (permalink)
johnboy183 New on Forum Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 12	Chokito, Not having a good day today! Hit the wrong button in the earlier post and then my connection dropped out as I pressed to send a proper reply! Yes I do use Alcohol. It is Alcohol120% Version1.4.3.410 and works fine usually. I have mainly used it to prepare mds files to mount on virtual drive which it does excellently but have tended to use CloneCD for most of my CD burns. My burner is a Sony CRX 140E which according to all the pundits shouldnt be able to burn anything with decent protection!! However it has burned just about every game I have asked of it with a bit of ingenuity - including Securom 4.8 and SD 2.8 Hope this helps: Johnboy183

26-09-2003	#19 (permalink)
Chokito New on Forum Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 11	ok mine is a new burner this is what worked with my burner but i don't know if this will work for you then so yours is a 32x8x4 is it, i would think it would work anyway here's the options i used hope the wording is the same, may slightly differ in your version Under Emulation options: I have checked that "Ignore media Type" : Ticked Launch CD/DVD Manager : Ticked RMPS : : Ticked Under the Image Wizard: Reading : Device: LG GCE-8520B (Burner) Read Speed: 4 (or slower) Fast Reading Errors: Ticked (enabled) Fast Error Skip Blocks: Ticked Advanced Sector Scanning (factor 100): Unticked Read Subchannel Data from Current Disc: Unticked Data Posistion Measurement (Precision:Normal): Unticked (Datatype: Customize) Under the Image Burning Wizard: Writing : Device: LG GCE-8520B Write Speed: 8 (slow as possible) Write Method: Raw DAO Enable Buffer Underrun Technology: Ticked Don't Close the Last Session of Current Disc: Unticked Bypass EMF Error: Unticked Rectify Sub-Channel Data: Unticked (Datatype: Customize) So give it a go anyway the game works for me on another computer that has NO Emulation __________________ He that gives, should never remember; He that receives, should never forget.

27-09-2003	#20 (permalink)
Namor27 New on Forum Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: US Posts: 3	Need Help With U.S. Version Please Would someone please be kind enough to tell me what program and settings I should use to copy a U.S. Jedi Academy (Securom 4.8x) disc? The Alcohol forum says their program can't copy it because of something called "Blacklist" and will address the issue in their next version. Last edited by Namor27; 27-09-2003 at 06:03.

28-09-2003	#21 (permalink)
Chokito New on Forum Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 11	well Johnboy183 did it work for you ??? __________________ He that gives, should never remember; He that receives, should never forget.

28-09-2003	#22 (permalink)
johnboy183 New on Forum Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 12	Sorry for not getting back earlier on this. Nope it didn't work! Followed your directions to the letter where mine was able to support the option but no joy. Guess it's time to trade in the old Tosh for something more up to date. Still the virtual drive version works so I'm not stuck. Thanks for the advice johnboy183

17-10-2003	#24 (permalink)
kivas New on Forum Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 5	It would appear that I was able to back up jedi academy properly ... yet when I test it ..as in re-install using those 2 discs.. installs fine.. and playing multiplayer works perfect.. but when I go to play single player .. it says wrong cd.. any thoughts .. did I back these up the wrong way ? I used nero, and blindwrite... same outcome with both. please help a newbie .. Sorry for the re-post, but I'm not sure which thread this should be under. __________________ Spectres they may be, you're spectres they are, hurt you they can.

17-10-2003	#25 (permalink)
kivas New on Forum Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 5	Scratch that ... I re-burned disc one.. not sure what I did different and now it works just fine. This way I can put away the originals.. considering my son accidentaly broker my jedi knight II disc.. and had to buy another one... I learned the hard way __________________ Spectres they may be, you're spectres they are, hurt you they can.

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