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tempnexus · 26-07-2005

I am wondering what type of Drive is currently the king of copy protection copying.
I remember the days when Lite-On was the king, does this still holds true?

I mean which drive is best for copying:
1)CD's
2)DvD's
3)Combo (the best combo drive)

Thanks

P.S.
What is the current trend in protection? SafeDisk? Securom? StarForce?

*Gurm* · 26-07-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by tempnexus

I am wondering what type of Drive is currently the king of copy protection copying.
I remember the days when Lite-On was the king, does this still holds true?

I mean which drive is best for copying:
1)CD's
2)DvD's
3)Combo (the best combo drive)

Thanks

P.S.
What is the current trend in protection? SafeDisk? Securom? StarForce?

Newer SD and SR are prevalent, and sadly most of them can really only be beaten by emulation or cracking. Very very few drives nowadays can accurately burn these discs. There are lengthy processes now involving Alcohol and creating burn profiles and... it's just ugly. I personally have a tendency to just crack the program nowadays, much as it irks me to have to do so.

**harley2ride** · 26-07-2005

For CD's, Plextor Premium is the king.
For DVD's, various drives are capable. Plextor, Pioneer, LG, Lite-ON, and the new Toshiba. I've had decent success with my Plextor and my Pioneer, but my Khypermedia 52x CDRW does a better job for cd's. Not sure who makes it, and I don't care as long as it works....

*madmax* · 26-07-2005

To make it worse some new games are now on DVD with protection..
but its as Gurm says its now just about at the stage where it will not be worth it to copy at all unless (well thats another matter)

Latrosicarius · 27-07-2005

So, Gurm, what is one of those rare drives you speak of that accurately copys without emulating or cracking? Can you give an example?

docdocdoc9 · 27-07-2005

To sum up a little bit :
* Securom : hasn't really changed since v4.8x., the most noticeable changes are blacklists ; the plextor premium is still the king when it comes to CDs, twinpeak and RPMS also still work.
The problem is that more and more games come on DVD ; in this case only RPMS and virtual drives work.
* Safedisc : On the CD side, nothing revolutionary since v2.9/3.10 either, only new weak sectors that appeared with v3.15 and cannot be "amplified". These are very hard to burn and the burners that can produce decent non-emulated backups are rare.
On the DVD side, I don't have much technical info, but it's not possible to burn a working backup for various reasons. Virtual drives still work, blacklisting relies on driver names so it's easily avoidable.
* Starforce : with now CD and DVD flavors, it's still the same... Various ways of running backups have emerged but none last long... Next version of D-Tools may change the deal though.

*merther02* · 27-07-2005

The USB method for Starforce is the best, I spend hours fucking around with mini-images with no success.

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tempnexus CD Freaks Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 173	Have been away for quite some time and what has changed? <a href='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a13febf7&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE' target='_blank'><img src='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/avw.php?zoneid=30&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE&n=a13febf7' border='0' alt='' /></a> I am wondering what type of Drive is currently the king of copy protection copying. I remember the days when Lite-On was the king, does this still holds true? I mean which drive is best for copying: 1)CD's 2)DvD's 3)Combo (the best combo drive) Thanks P.S. What is the current trend in protection? SafeDisk? Securom? StarForce?

26-07-2005	#3 (permalink)
harley2ride Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,448	Re: Have been away for quite some time and what has changed? For CD's, Plextor Premium is the king. For DVD's, various drives are capable. Plextor, Pioneer, LG, Lite-ON, and the new Toshiba. I've had decent success with my Plextor and my Pioneer, but my Khypermedia 52x CDRW does a better job for cd's. Not sure who makes it, and I don't care as long as it works.... __________________ Rob C2D E6550,3gb DDR2-800mhz,150gb 10000rpm raptor,320gb sata,geforce 8800 gt, Vista Premium, 22" Samsung LCD,Samsung bluray DVD reader\dvd\rw16x, Samsung S203N, ADS Pyro A/V Link,Klipsch Pro-Media 5.1 SS Dell P4 3.4GHZ 2GB PC533 DDR XP PRO SP2 w/ADS Pyro Firewire card,160GB Sata, 250GB ATA133, ATI 2600XT HD/ DELL 20" LCD/ ALS 251 5.1 Speakers / Audigy 2 ZS Platinum / Plextor PX716A / MD (NEC3500) 2FD firmware

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27-07-2005	#5 (permalink)
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docdocdoc9 CD Freaks Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: France Posts: 242	Re: Have been away for quite some time and what has changed? To sum up a little bit : * Securom : hasn't really changed since v4.8x., the most noticeable changes are blacklists ; the plextor premium is still the king when it comes to CDs, twinpeak and RPMS also still work. The problem is that more and more games come on DVD ; in this case only RPMS and virtual drives work. * Safedisc : On the CD side, nothing revolutionary since v2.9/3.10 either, only new weak sectors that appeared with v3.15 and cannot be "amplified". These are very hard to burn and the burners that can produce decent non-emulated backups are rare. On the DVD side, I don't have much technical info, but it's not possible to burn a working backup for various reasons. Virtual drives still work, blacklisting relies on driver names so it's easily avoidable. * Starforce : with now CD and DVD flavors, it's still the same... Various ways of running backups have emerged but none last long... Next version of D-Tools may change the deal though.

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