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Old 31-01-2003   #1 (permalink)
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Shimmering / Pulsating problem

Hi,

I am experiencing problems with movies over 6 gigs.

My equipement:

Pentium IV, 1500mhz, 512 meg, 40 gig HD
Microsoft Windows XP, Home Edition
READ: Pioneer 116 DVD-ROM drive (DVDDecryptor)
WRITE: Pioneer 105 (A05) DVD-Writer (V1.21) (Instant CD/DVD)
MEDIA: Princo 1x (no logos, all white cover)
DVD: Region 1, NTSC, Canada (Cast away, Asterix-Mission Cleopatre)

Problem #1 description:

If I look at some part of the screen where there is no movement, I see the image go sharp/blurr/sharp/blurr/sharp.. every half second or so. The words Pulsating or Shimmering would describe this effect. The problem occurs on both my PC and my TV.

Problem #2 description:

When I put the DVD-R's made with DVD2one in my DVDPlayer, the first subtitle is on. I dont have this problem when I author a CCE re-encode with DVD Maestro.

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The "shimmering" you are seeing tells you that the re-encoding is not up to the standards of the $2000 CCE. The larger the size of vob file (and normally longer in time movies) the worse the problem gets. For 120+min I always use CCE and Maestro for clearer video.
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Yes it is a know 'bug' or more a feature to put it in M$ terms.

But indeed in future version we might need to look into a quality option with very long movies.
DVD2one performs best on normal to somewhat longer movies, the extreme long things like SPR, LOTR etc etc can cause some of these shimmering effects.

The only advice i can give you at this moment, it just TRY AND SEE.
(it's not that encoding with DVD2one takes ages )
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SHIMMERING EFFECTS?

hey guys..2 out of the six films i`ve done with dvd2one are green mile(3hrs)and scarface(2hr50mins)..and ive not had a single problem with any one of them,i dont know if having a high end pc helps with longer films and encoding quality,but im running a p4 2.66@3.2 with 512mb of corsair platinum 434 DDR memory etc..etc..dont know if this a contributing factor.
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I understand there will be quality degradation when using DVD2one. I am no quality freak. But, it would be a good thing to try to produce a constant quality output, instead of a succession of good/bad frames. The effect is extremly distracting and I rather have a worst quality output than seeing the background blink.

If your "method" requires producing this kind of rotation of different quality frames, one way to get rid of the effect would be to increase the speed of the rotation. I have watch the effect when fast forwarding the movie and the effect dissapear or becomes un-noticible when going faster than 8x. At normal speed, the rotation occurs every half second.

Also, I am having some concerns that this effect may be a bug that occurs only in specific situations , since some users reports not seeing the effect at all, even with long movies.

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Hmmm....

I tried both LOTR and Scarface. I have a AthlonXP 2100+, 768MB PC2100, Seagate 80GB drive, XP Pro SP1. Scarface had a lot of artifacts. LOTR although better still produced artifacts to this critical eye. However I'm still very impressed in which the little time it took to re-encode the movies. Considering I picked two of the longer titles out there as a test. AS it was suggested in one of the posts I'm sure I will see better results with smaller titles that are still slightly to big to fit on a DVD5 but DVD2ONE can handle with quality. Looking forward to continued testing and also future releases that will address longer titles.

However I am still open to any suggestions that may help in optimizing DVD2ONE's process.

Thanks...
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Well, I proved that the rotating sharp/blurr/sharp/blurr pulsating effect is movie dependant.

I just did star wars episode I, region 1, NTSC and there is no rotation of good/bad frames in the DVD2one encode of that movie.

I see some shimmering related to the lower bitrate, but its a constant effect, there is no rotating patterns like what I saw with the "Asterix: Mission Cleopatre" and "Cast Away" encode.

So DVD2one may react complety differently depending on the movie your doing. This is good news to me, because I dont mind shimmering has long has its constant.
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