just wondering if anyone has had any probs with playback freezing with movies compressed by v.121? I have just backed up "dog soldiers" using v.121 and film froze about 1/3rd way in. have backed it up again using v.113 and plays back no problem. so has anyone else come across this?

only when i use a lightly scratched or finger printed dvd-rw. but others may tell you its your brand of media. still others may say its your standalone dvd player.

using fairly decent media, and as I say, when back up using v.113 plays back fine.

Theres absolutely no reason why it should freeze when using v. 121 - Its definately a problem with the burn/media.

Freezing in some part of the movie is allways something with media/burningsoftware/player. The movie itself is only an mpegstream even after compression its still only a simple mpegstream - dvd2one wont be able to do something to it that makes it freeze in some part of the movie. The only places where dvd2one and other software could make troubles is in places on the dvd controlled by the ifos, ie menuparts etc. - but once the movie is playing - its simply running a simple mpegstream.

Try playing the v.121 copy from your harddisk before burning to disc - using windvd or powerdvd (allways do that btw) - Im sure you will se it plays just fine. If so you can try burning on different media or with different burnsoftware.

Use Nero cd-check to check the readcurve on your "bad" disc and you will most likely see it drop in the bad spot.

But what would cause a copy to play fine on the computer but play only the first second of video from each chapter on my standalone player. IOW, it's playing each chapter as if it is only one second long.

I wish I knew more about the anatomy of a DVD? Is there a web site where I can learn the fundamentals? Other than the .VOBs which are the video streams, what are the other files for? I gather the IFO files have to do with menu layout, but why is there more than one of them? VIDEO_TS.IFO and VTS_01_0.IFO for example. And what are the .BUP files for? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

coincidentaly,i was watching gangs of ny,for the second time,and suddenly it froze and jumped to an earlier chapter. but it didnt do that the first time i watched it. so i looked at the dvd-rw and yes there was a minor print in the middle of the disc,but if that was the cause why didnt it freeze the first time i watched it? i had the disc in my 300 disc changer so i know it wasnt handled. i cleaned it anyway and watched it again and it froze in the same place. so i had an idea,i decided to use my cd/dvd player cleaning cd. i couldnt freaking believe it,it worked. gangs didnt freeze any more. conclusion,a combination of an imperfect dvd-rw and a dirty lens can cause freezing.

peter

certain titles do chapter jumping for me also,mostly episode dvds. but i have determined that to be an issue with my sony stand alone,as they work fine on all other players. however when i process the same movie with another program it works. this does seem to be a rare and minor issue with dvd2one.

not so minor if it means it freezes/jumps.

You nailed it. I have a Sony and this happened on two episode DVDs with an odd dual menu layout. One for selecting a single episode (which brings up a second menu for chapter selection) or 'Play All' which plays all the episodes like one movie. Since you say processing with another program works, then the problem is definitely one DVD2One can't handle for Sony players.

What other program do you use and does it compress to one DVD like DVD2One does?

Hi all,

I also have a Sony (DVP-NS405) and haven't had a problem with it. All (DVD2One/Nero) movies, including episodes ones, play without a hitch (never experienced this jumping and freezing) ... so I guess, this rules out the Sony as the problem ...

BTW: I'm burning on +R/+RW, can it be the problems are only related to -R/-RW?

Marcher

marcher, I've copied roughly 80 DVDs, many of them episodes and except for those two DVD's, I haven't had a problem either. The only thing I found in common with those two is the odd menu layout I mentioned. They are "Hyperspace" and "Walking With Prehistoric Beasts." So it could very well be you haven't run into one of these problem DVDs yet.

So far, three of us here have experienced this chapter jumping problem, all have Sony stand alone players in common. Now since jwo62 says, "but i have determined that to be an issue with my sony stand alone, as they work fine on all other players", then we can't rule out Sony as a factor. Nor can we rule out DVD2One for the same reason. It simply can not compensate for whatever reason Sony players will not play these copies correctly. Most likely the firmware.

I doubt that it has anything to do with the media type you're using, though we certainly can't rule that out unless of course you experience this problem in the future.

have you tried, like i mentioned at the start of this thread, a previous version of dvd21? as i said my v.113 works fine but i only seem to have trouble with v.121. PS have now tried 3 movies compressed with both versions and with the same results--fine with v.113, kack with v.121.

i was reffering to the chapter skipping issue,that mr.peter gattig has as well,not the freezeing issue. the chapter skipping is less frequent. the two are separate issues

What other program do you use and does it compress to one DVD like DVD2One does?

1. Dvd2one,its fast and 95% reliable
2. Dvd95copy,its 98% reliable but takes about 90 min.
3. Dvdshrink 2.3,havnt used it enough to rate it but it did some animation and episode titles that dvd2one and dvd95copy wouldnt. and its FREE. if d2o or d95c fail,i go straight for shrink.
4. IC ,despite its slightly better quality,it takes too long,about 3 hrs. every once in a while i use it,just to justify having paid for it.
also the pinnacle forum is a bad joke (in my opinion). i do not recomend!

i wouldnt say sony in general has a problem,my daughters 200 disc changer would play a frisbee if it would fit. its my 300 disc changer that is a wimp. i am sure they dont put same drive in all models.

i should repeat that i feel the chapter skipping is a separate issue. this is a navigational thing. and i think it therefore falls under DVR105's definition of what could be caused by dvd2one,since navigation is controlled by the ifo's.

But the feezeing that i have expierienced in the past may have been due to a dirty lense, as i described in my earlier post above. i will have to do some more movies to verify this though. but at this point i recomend to anyone reading this post ,for the process of elimination,BUY A DVD LENS CLEANER!

Marcher

well ,it at least rules out your model. i have the sony dvd cx860. have you tried the animatrix?

thats a real damn good question,why does one version work but not the other. but its not the first time people have noted a negative difference in version output.

heres some stupid questions,
was your expieriment scientific? did you use the same dvd-rw when trying both versions? did you clean it in between copies? did you then go back to 1.21 and confirm? have you tried any of your freezing discs in another player? do all of your freezes happen in the same place on each movie every time or is it random?

i have seen navigational/menu issues in newer versions as opposed to an older version,on specific titles,but not the freezeing issue. i think its safe to say that if it doesnt freeze at the same point in your pc's dvd/rom,then its a question of why your,or my,dvd standalone is having trouble reading it.

this is one of the oldest issues in this forum,and yet there is a fog hanging around it.

just out of curiosity,have you tried a dvd lens cleaner?

jwo62, I must apologize for not stating that I am a Mac user. It must be nice knowing you have all those programs at your disposal. I'm drooling for someone to produce a program like InfoEdit for the Mac. Hint, hint.

As for freezing, I use a dvd lens cleaner once a week and before coping I clean each DVD with Windex, rinse in clear water and pat dry. Rarely do I have a freeze but when I do it is caused by a scratch.

BTW, it helps to keep your fingers off a blank DVD before burning, the slightest finger print can cause freezing at that point and it's permanent. Made that mistake as a beginner.

it has been indeed been the same media on all occasions, cd's have no marks/fingerprints etc on them, have tried on other standalones with the same results. Odd though that all copies play fine on pc (although i suspect this is due to better quality laser). as to where they freeze, it is quite random. one copy froze, and when i ejected the dvd and put it back in, it wouldn't play and just kept flashing disc error on the screen.

nipbiplip,

what burning software are you using and what burner do you have? perhaps its your burning software that doesnt like 1.21.
have you tried version 1.2.3?

im using prassi software on a pioneer a03. have yet to try 123 but will do soon.

prassi may be the problem. i used to use prassi,it frequently crashed when starting a burn and some discs that did burn wouldnt play. i did the movie van wilder three times with prassi,twice it gave me discs that wouldnt play and the third freezes and skips. try nero or record now.

I've the same problem since at least DVD2ONE 1.2.1... All my copy with 1.1.3 are OK but all my last copy (D2O 1.2.1) freeze during one second during playback...(on my new Yamaha DVD S 830)
Remark that these disks plays OK in my computer DVD-ROM !!!

Now I've also remark that the moment is not always the same...
I think it depend of the Burning speed... for example all my Princo 4x burned at one speed freeze between the beginning and 10 minutes, my princo 2X burned in 2X seem to freeze later...

I use DVDDecrypter 3.1.5 and 3.1.6
I use CopyToDVD 2.1.6, 2.2.2, 2.2.4 and 2.2.5
I use Pioneer A05 updated with the last firm 1.33
I use Win XP PRO SP1

I'm doing tests with all these differents versions but without success... Is really DVD2one the cause of this freeze ???
ReneB have you got a idea on the origin of this problem ?

THX a lot.

ZeF69,

You already give the answer to your question yourself: For DVD2one to be a possible cause of the problem, the 'freeze' must always be on the same spot. Since this is not the case, it must be a media or drive problem.
For instance, on my Pioneer 454 dvd-r's plays without any hickups, but dvd+rw's sometimes do cause a hickup. When I rewind and play the part again, no problem is there: clearly a media/drive problem.

Erwin

Thanks a lot for answer...

I agree with what you say but why with 1.1.3 the problem doesn't occur ? Very strange problem

Anyway, I precise that between different movies, the problem doesn't occur at the same place (I mean time !) but with two tests on the same movie on the same media (Catch me if you can) the problem occurs at the same place, the same playback time (copies with the same burning speed).

furthermore, I suppose that the problem occurs always at the same place on the media - I mean at X MB on the DVD-R...
It's why I mention between 0 and 10 minutes in my last post, it depend of the movie, its lenght, its compression...

Thanx again for the answer...

I'm not sure everyone is really discussing the same thing (some are Mac-based, others commenting on dvd-r and/or -rw's, yet others not defining replication at same points for burns with varied media/burn-proggies...).
As far as I know, handling of ifo/bup/chapters between 113 and 121 (and current) is the same. The only difference that might relate with newer D2O is Var/Con--but I doubt that has anything to do with 'issues'.
Also, isn't an ammonia-based product potentially destructive of silver/metallic layer in cd/dvd's [Windex]--as it is on mirrors?
Lastly, those using DVDD 3150/60--consider trying 3140 (this has eliminated similar problems for others--depending on D2O version). An alternative might be AnyDvd--which I now use to skip the whole ripping-step.