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View Poll Results: Prove me right, guys. What should be the priority?...
Letting you select more than one 'movie', such as special features or multiple TV episodes 47 55.29%
copying the Menu over 34 40.00%
fancy subtitle stuff 1 1.18%
creating a 2 images, for spanning 2 DVDs 3 3.53%
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Old 18-02-2003   #1 (permalink)
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The next priority should be putting more than 1 movie on a DVD -- useful for TV DVDs

At this point, I would have to put each individual episode of Buffy and Sopranoes on a DVD. They're not even 2 megs each!

The next DVD2ONE update should at least allow you to simply choose more than one "movie" from the list, and have one after the other on the DVD. I dont mind having to skip chapters to get to the next episode, as long as it's there. This would also be useful to put special features at the end of a movie.

Who needs fancy stuff like menus. I just want to get my TV backing up on. TV episode sets are becoming more popular all the time after all.
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Re: The next priority should be putting more than 1 movie on a DVD -- useful for TV DVDs

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At this point, I would have to put each individual episode of Buffy and Sopranoes on a DVD. They're not even 2 megs each!
If they're 2 megs each I imagine you'll get a damn sight more than two on a dvdr and anyway, they're gonna' be horrendous quality

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Who needs fancy stuff like menus.
I don't *need* it, I just like it.
I'm not bothered for extra's but appreciate there's plenty of people who love them.
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lol, ok, obviously I meant 2 gigs each

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As for extra features

I'm not in need of special features either. I just figured it would be a neat bonus that would come along with having the option to select more than 1 episode of a multi-TV-episode DVD.

I'm finding a lof the DVD images (of 90 minute movies) I'm creating via DVD2ONE are barely 4 gigs. And like I said before, with TV episodes, they tend to be less than 2 gigs each. That's a whole lot of space that could be used without losing quality. And all we need to do all this is a simple append option.

Maybe it's not that simple to implement. Just seems like it would be. What do I know.
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Re: Re: As for extra features

I may be missing something but if the original disks are less than 4.3gb why are you running them through dvd2one?
Surely if you rip the entire disk to your hdd and it's less than the disk capacity of a dvdr then you needn't encode?
As for multi-episode disks I too have a great desire for this. I'm a big fan of the UK tv shows (Blackadder, Only Fools and Horses, Red Dwarf etc.) and have tried jdobbs MakeItEasy program on my copyof Red Dwarf Season One.
It was effortless (shame the author isn't ) to use and after burning first impressions looked superb, but the chapters were all screwed. Clicking chapter two of episode 4 made chapter three of episode one play!
What I'm doing now is using DVD2AVI to make an individual .d2v (video) and ac3 (audio) file for each episode, and running through TMPGEnc (batch) to encode.
I then use Ulead Movie Maker to make a menu page and chapter button for each episode and then traaa-laaaa!!!!!
.........I have a six episode dvdr.
Simple, but far too long a process now dvd2one does it in one sixteenth of the time - bloody thing
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The television DVDs

are generally all duel layer discs (more than 4.7 gigs). I mean if I DVD2ONE a particular episode, it generally ends up being under 2 gigs. With no loss of quality.

So adding a feature to allow you to selection more than one 'movie' from the list, and just automaticly ammend each one you select, would be extremely handy for television DVDs. -- Generally 2 episodes with 0 reduction of quality, 3 with slight redution.

And an added bonus of this feature would be adding extra features to the end of the movie.

As for the menus, I'm still wondering why this would be such a great feature, considing most of the options on the menus wont work -- sense you're not keeping all the special features.
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Re: The television DVDs

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As for the menus, I'm still wondering why this would be such a great feature, considing most of the options on the menus wont work -- sense you're not keeping all the special features.
Like I say, it's just my preference
I like to maintain chapters and as a result would prefer an image of each chapter, as simple as that
You're right about the special features....
....my ideal dvd2one program would be one that kept the movie and menu's but lost the extra's.
I know by doing this I'd have a menu buttom to special features with no special features but I don't care!
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I would like to add to this thread, that you can have as many polls you like but please do not expect us to follow the outcome.

This sounds harder then we mean it, ofcourse we listen to our customers but before we can build in a new feature we have to make supporting code surounding it.

For example, to make the 1:1 feature, we first need to improve the compression engine so it generates beter looking material at lower bitrates.
So we release a version with for example this improved version first, and several versions later the 1:1 support is added.

This is just the way we develop software.

So please be patient, the programm will continue to grow
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DVD Menus vs Multiple episodes

Sure, I'd rather be able to keep the menus than not, but I think the ability to put multiple episodes on a single DVD is far more important. I only brought up the special features thing as a bonus, not the reason. Multiple TV episodes is the reason.

And consideirng the whole menu-options-to-oblivion thing, well, that's just kinda scary.

Keeping the menus = neat.

Putting 2 or 3 episodes on 1 DVD = a necessity.
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Response to ReneB, Polls are fun

Polls are fun, I didn't mean to imply I was expecting the results to be religiously followed by you guys.

I know how these kind of things go, the easier to develop features are generally finished first.

I dont know enough about this stuff to know how hard it is to implement a multi-episode feature, I just figured its worth finding out how important we generally feel it is.

And to be honest, some of that other stuff I saw on the list of potential-updates seemed like a waste of effort to me, even if it is the easiest to complete (such as fancy subtitle stuff). That's just my opinion.
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Well that subtitle stuff is a tought of me personally. I have Tombraider Region 2 and the damn thing has YELLOW subtitles

Anyway, sometimes it can be handy if you could move the subtitles out of screen and into the black bars on a 2:35 framed movie.
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Yes, if the subtitles could be moved to the black bars that would indeed be a great help.
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I've been monitoring this forum and others with other products (like Pinnacle and DVDxCopy) in and effort to decide where I want to place my hard earned money on. And although you respond to threads quickly (I commend you on that), you often come across as a B, hence ReneB. I don't mean to disrespect you but it seems that you're quick to bite someone's head off the moment you think that they are out of line. Are you married to the author of DVD2One? Maybe you have him trained too. All I'm saying is that if someone wants to speak out, especially when it's a positive, envisioning, and so hopeful of the future that they end up indirectly promoting this product. I, as a potential customer, have my eyes widen up as this catches my attention to see you just shoot him down, to make him feel he's done something wrong. Meanwhile, he's justifying himself to you as not to offend you. Forgive me all if I sound real bothered but I am. You should be encouraging people to do this and kindly/politely state that although we hear you it's going to take some time to get there. Don't have to respond so harsh, maybe that's why I'm responding so hard back. Sometimes you just have to communicate on the same level to be heard & understood. I will understand if you want to censor this or kick me out, it's not my intent but I feel much better.
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Your entitled to you own opinion and i respect that. I won't kick you for that why would i?

But what i really mean to do is keeping things in good order, i have a lot of experience in the software/hardware industry (over 10 years).
And what i want to do with this board is keeping things in good order before threads get out of hand or running offtopic.

This is a DVD2one subforum, all other DVD related things can be discussed in the other parts of this board. (and i encourage EVERYONE to read the other parts to, they can be very intresting)

And i know i sound like a B, and maybe i am one too. But it's my 'job' to keep this place somewhat clean, and i know from that same experience that most of the problems aren't problems with DVD2one itself but with the burning software, media etc.
As much as i like to support that, it's not something i can afford myself to do at this moment.

Also English is NOT my native tongue, so expressing myself in english is a bit difficult for me I don't really mean to be so hard, and i know for myself i have the uttermost respect for all our customers but sometimes i have to be resolute at some threads.
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Wouldnt a menu be as important as multi episodes on the disk for the simplicity of chosing the episode to view.

I have been mostly setting back in the forum watching all that is going on and keeping my mouth shut as I strongly support another backup program but do support this program as well meaning I have purchased it also.

The compress to one disk is great for the disks I make for my grandson to view and starting movie just by puting in the disk is great for him at this time. He is less then 2 and selecting movie through menu would be a little hard for him so I like it just as it is.

I can see where a menu option would be great for many but as an option not a requierement

I say it is a nice little app for what it is being used for by me.

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I also see it getting better as time passes
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Thank you for answering so professionally. I didn't realize that english wasn't your native tongue, and that might be the reason why you may have come across that way. I do see the need to patrol this forum; they can get out of control at times. Just have a little faith in us as we have faith in you. Have your 'discipline rod' ready, it is definitely required in cases of disputes and piracy but so long as as we can have open and clean discussion about a product we all have in common, I believe in the end, is productive. Well, your professionalism has convinced me to purchase this product... It definitely is one worth supporting. And with my new perspective on this situation I do fully understand. The right attitude makes all the difference with any product and the attitude in your response has sold me.

If I may ask, realistically, when can we look forward to having the extra options as in the poll? I'm not asking for any promises but just something for us guys to hopeful for.

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Your welcome

But the two popular things of this poll are on our todo list!

But as explained before, We need to make the encoder a bit beter in handling image quality if we want to do 1:1 copies.
So that's the first thing that is going to be done in the 1.1x version. A beter controlable engine (perhaps even a multipass/statistics based engine)

We first need to learn how to walk with our engine before we can run with it. Please keep in mind that we build this engine in several months from scratch (DVD2one is NOT based on any excisting piece of code, everything is build be Erwin himself!)

This program will grow in the future, i can asure you that. Plenty of inspiration left in our minds. But it's going to be small steps a time instead of leaping from version to version.
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Just for feed back... from what I've seen in the demo and from other people's responses, I think we are quite content with the quality. Yes, there is always room for improvement, especially for those who are trying to compare it to CCE quality, which is a bit unfair and somewhat un-realistic, which would take time. But say we, for the most part agreed that we are satisfied with the quality and we, the consumer, wish to keep the encoder quality the same but just add new features... would that be so bad? Or is it truly, as you said, "We need to make the encoder a bit better in handling image quality if we want to do 1:1 copies". Meaning that, it is not possible to accomplish this with the current encoder. Then, if this be the case, we have to understand and patiently wait.
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Hi ReneB,

Thanks for your comments.

I am very glad to hear that your number one priority is improving the encoder engine to provide optimum video compression quality.

I commented before to Erwin that my main concern was QUALITY. ie: I would prefer an option to perform "higher quality / slower speed" encoding, if the end result was an even better quaility down conversion!

My vote would be to work on optimising the encoder for quality, before considering all the other development possibilities for this software.

PS: I primarily registered the product as I see great potential and wanted to support what you are trying to achieve (Besides, Erwin has a good track record with Remote Selector)!

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Transcoder quality GREAT!!

I have to admit that if you watch very carefully, you can see some slight loss of quality, with the larger movies. It's slight. More often than not, you probably woudn't even think twice about it unless it wasn't so well advertised on here, and other forums.

Most other programs do not transcode, but encode with the variable bit rate and that takes a lot of time, and CPU resources, and can become quite involved. Be very thankful that this program, DVD2ONE works the way it does. It is stable. It is fairly simple to get up and running. Most important, you can duplicate your success the next day or the next weekend without trying to remember how you did the last rip and burn!

I still have a VCR and watch the movies on that media, that I do not have yet on DVD. Even at it's worst, DVD2ONE is better than the VCR at it's best. I put in a VCR tape and it starts to play.. no menus.. hmm how about that.. simple. Why woudn't you want to just do that, always? Want to skip around, well there is the chapter reference still there and it's a darn bit faster than FF on the VCR! *S*

One thing I was wondering about. I like to watch movies that are full screen, as my TV is not a rectangle. A few movies say "This movie has been formated from it's original to fit this screen". Is there a way to add an option to check "original widescreen" or "fullscreen" on some future DVD2one release? I would think it would be just a matter of changing the video resolution output size during the processing.. I may be all wet.

I brag about DVD2ONE in every forum and to people on the street. best thing to come along since sliced bread (old Nebraska saying *S*)
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Menus

The target disc I have been using to evaluate different backup programs is an ABBA Music Video with 35 different song selections, as well as some Extras.

After spending a few min's with this software it was the first one to actually work the first time!! Also, the speed was almost unbelievable! Not that I am complaining, but as compared to a movie, this type of program is one that might benefit from a menu to select different song selections rather than just FF to whatever selection you were interested in.

I am very happy with the purchased program, and feel it is well worth the money. You have a winner here!!
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I'm glad you're going to work on the quality issue and improve it. That's more important to me than 1:1 copy.
Look guys, you can do 1:1 copy right now using IFOupdate and 2COOL's method as listed on doom9's forum.

Just go follow that and be happy for now.
it doesn't take a lot of work, use the excel spreadsheet I uploaded to help you calculate values.

But the problem now is the quality really suffers for moving longer than 2 1/2 hours....instantcopy does a better job with quality because it spends more time analyzing the video etc.

An option to spend more time transcoding is important
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Re: The next priority should be putting more than 1 movie on a DVD -- useful for TV D

i found that it is possible to have more than 2 movies on a single 4.7 gig dvd. i copy alot of movies for friends and a few customers now an again. first at least have an external hard drive (i have a 500gig external), now make a folder and name it what ever you like. first try dvd shrink 3.2 to back the disk up and if that doesnt work try dvdfab that will copy the dvd files into a folder. now create another folder and name it. back up the dvd and your ready. this is for educational purposes only. start dvd shrink 3.2 click on reauthor select the dvd browser now browse to the first dvd folder and select the movie, next click on dvd browser and browse to the other dvd folder and select the dvd movie. now you'll have to click on the movie file and click on compression and remove the spanish and the french audio
now go back to the external harddrive and make a folder and name it
movie1 and movie 2 or whatever you like. click on back up and select the folder you want your dvd files to be burned to.
thats it now insert a blank dvd+r(what i use) and use your whatever to back it up. as a data disk. thats it, 2 movies on 1 dvd. you can add as many as you like but the quailty wont be that good after 2, go buy some 9.4gig dvd+r's and you'll be able to have 4 or 5 movies on it
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