Dear Flask Author,
i know that you will get in deep trouble if you implement decrypting into dvd2one, so lets forget about that !

BUT there is an elegant solution, that the authors of flask once used:

The had a plugin for file input, they only programmed the interface & anyone could download the documentation !

So after a short while there was a decss plugin, that people used to directly convert from a DVD ...

You could implement the same thing, and you would do no unlawful thing !

( Bad people would dpownload the decss plugin from elsewhere and abuse your software for decrypting 6 converting dvd's, but we can not hinder them i fear ).

How about that idea ??

Ender

bump :-)

Please don't listen to requests asking you to include any form of unencryption engine. This will only make DVD2one a target of lawsuits... Just my .02

I think Erwin knows all the implications far better then we.

The point is you did'nt get the way that my mail proposes dvd2one to handle this.

erwin would not include a single bit of illegal code, he would implement a generic file source filter.
And if there is a plugin ( coded by whoever ) that decrypts a dvd is available, Erwin will not offer this for download nor recommend it, and all will be fine.

Just take your time and read articles about this flask plugin <-> decss concept.

Ender

dvman you're totally wrong.DVD2One uses a built-in MPEG-2 decoder to read VOB files.I think it should use an external open-source MPEG-2 decoder.Someone could hack it,and this can NOT harm DVD2One!!!!

@flouda:

dvd2one does not *really* decode the mpg stream, that is the BEATY of a real transcoder !

Maybe browse through the articles explaining the difference between transcoder & encoder.

Still an external plugin could deliver decrypted vob files, wherever they may come from :-)

Ender

Thanks Ender for the info..Well,I'm working with encoders many years and I thought a transcoder works the same.
An external DeCSS plug-in...That is what we all need.
I hope it will become a reality!

The good thing is :

The Plugin is already existing, one only needs to implement a plugin Interface into dvd2one ...


Greetings & good night.

Ender

Great idea, enderffx!!

This could be the solution! Erwin would have no legal problems and DVD2one users could decide for themselves if they want to "update" to on-the-fly css-decrypting. The DVDDecrypter-Step is a complete waste of time and hd-space IMHO...

DVD2one is a very well structured and optimized piece of code that doesn't allow stuff like this to be build in the engine. (that's why i so darn fast )

As for adding our own de-CSS stuff to our core, it can be done very easy.

But we will not do that before it is legal to do so! .
Which means the day that de-CSS becomes officially legal and legit is the day we start working on adding it to DVD2one, not a day sooner.

Not to take anything away from this program, but I think DVD Decrypter is one of the single greatest achievements in the DVD backup scene. And like DVD2One, its brain dead easy to use (uh... just one click after the initial setup!).

To all the complainers in this thread-- Does it really kill you to use that first??

Robert

I think I agree with valnar.
Though some easy scripting options would be nice to automate the whole process. I'm typically no Windows user (see my .signature), so I dunno how you would go about it. We'd have commadline scripts, pipes and BMessages over here...

[I really do hope Erwin let's us help porting his tool to our platform...]

There seems to be alot of people here who want to have their cake and eat it.

Personally I think the software is excellent, the fact that I have to rip the DVD with some other software first is fine with me as DVD20ne saves me over 8 hours of processing time - so fr a time saving of over 7 hours I think I can live with ripping the DVD with another app.

I would rather have Erwin not bother including that function and prefer him to develop the application further to allow us to back up DVD's with menus etc..

Peace!

Exactly. LightningUK has already perfected the ripping process. Why reinvent the wheel again?

Robert

I do know Erwin very well, and giving away his source code is something that will never happen.
I hope i don't sound arrogant, but the chances of every getting a port to beOS is about zero to none.
Sorry, but there's to much to do on the win32 platform and every other platform doesn't have our highest priority.

He sounded more optimistic when I talked to him about it. I hope his point of view will prevail...

[Edited to add: No one has uttered a word about open-sourceing the tool! It'd be as closed as before with no support for other platforms included.]

Hi ReneB !

If DVD2One is well structured, it would be an easy task to build a file-in Plugin support, just ask Erwin ( Or are you a programmer too ?? )

Exactly because legal De-CSS is not to happen soon, i proposed this legal Gateway, that would enable the user to do what they want.

Why is this so important ??

Right now dvddecrypter can decrypt an entire dvd within 20 Minutes on a good dvd Drive, and dvd2one can convert a dvd within 20 Minutes too.

dvd2one decrypting directly from a fast dvd drive would result in an overall speed of 200% of the current speed.
And all this with using other peoples work ( decss plugin ), only with implementing an external data in Interface !!!!!!!!!

How hard would it be to gain 200% with other optimizations w/o Quality loss ?!?!?!


AND in addition, total HD space Consumtion would be even more then halfed !!!
( Which is not as important as the 200% speed gain, but still ... )


So that would be great, wouldn't it, honestly ???


Ender

There's a third option: Add command line options DVD2ONE, then someone else could make a front end (like DVD2SVCD).

I once saw a modified ASPI .DLL which can decrypt every information from the drive and pass it to any software. I think it is kind of a "wrapper". Unfortunately I don`t have more infos and I think DVD2ONE is not using ASPI even when reading unencrypted DVDs.

just my 2 cents...