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Old 27-02-2003   #1 (permalink)
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Any Idea What The Next Version Will Contain?

Was wondering if the DVD2one team knows what the next update will contain?

Any new stuff or mainly bug fixes?
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Old 28-02-2003   #2 (permalink)
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I am asuming that the dvd2one team knows exactly what the new stuff will be, but as they stated before, they will not tell untill the next update is out.
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next version

Now you have dvd95copy for full dvd copy..wonder how long it takes for dvd2one to bring out dvd2one full copy?
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full copy sucks...quality is awfull...let's just keep dvd2one just as it is now !
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I agree with Nicofieu !
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YES nicofieu! I agree!

Let´s have QUALITY instead of features!
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In MHO i think if DVD2One did have the option to do full copy then it will do a damn better job than Instant Copy. I still prefer DVD2One for movie only quality and speed and I am glad I have paid my money and purchased it unlike some did.

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People please be patient, 1:1 copy will be released in time i can garantee you that!

Before we can make the 1:1 copy version we need to improve the quality control of the engine. And that's something we are doing right now, allong with certain fixes in the engine to improve VOB handling.
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People please be patient, 1:1 copy will be released in time i can garantee you that!

Before we can make the 1:1 copy version we need to improve the quality control of the engine. And that's something we are doing right now, allong with certain fixes in the engine to improve VOB handling.

So next version will mainly contain bug fixes and maybe some quality improvements?
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Old 02-03-2003   #10 (permalink)
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Will this quality control be aimed at movies longer than 2.5 hours???

So far, I found that movies that are 2.5 hours or less look awesome quality... but those that are above that time start to get the compression pulsating blocks..


If so, can't wait....

Oh ya, if this is true, I assume the transcoding times will be longer?? (will be worth the wait in my option).

thanx..

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Old 02-03-2003   #11 (permalink)
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better quality in the next version (maybe 1.03)?

sounds good!!

rene, when can this next version be expected? are we talking about days or weeks? how far are you guys in the progress?

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Old 02-03-2003   #12 (permalink)
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Hello Rene,

Well that's real great news that you and Erwin are working on better quality !
Is it possible that you can shine a very little light on how Erwin is gonna do that ?
Example: multi pass
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it would be great if the full copy mode were standard, and you could be able to strip the things you dont want (such as extras, big menus)..
That would be a great feature..
Good job with DVD2one! keep it up!
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I will be very happy when 1:1 copy is an option,but i would rather wait for it to be done right. i just tried dvd95copy and it failed or had problems with all three movies i tried. I dont think i would use 1:1 copy very often anyway.
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Well ... IMHO, I reckon most peeps are asking to much.

To include a 1:1 feature, will, without doubt, compromise the quality of the film.

It doesn't take "rocket science" to figure out that a 2/3 hour movie, on it's own, has to go thru a lot of transcoding to fit onto a standard 4.7gb dvdr. If you start adding another 1-2 gb of junk )trailers/menus/directors cuts etc.), this will result in the movie itself, being very poor and the old pixellisation probs will be there.

If Erwin is able to improve his, already brilliant engine, to compensate for this, fine, but in the meantime, I would prefer all the available gigabytes being used on film quality, not junk.
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It doesn't take "rocket science" to figure out that a 2/3 hour movie, on it's own, has to go thru a lot of transcoding to fit onto a standard 4.7gb dvdr. If you start adding another 1-2 gb of junk )trailers/menus/directors cuts etc.), this will result in the movie itself, being very poor and the old pixellisation probs will be there.
I agree, but this could be got round reasonable well if you could choose your compression level for each section - say 75% for the main movie, 60% for extras and whatever is left for menus.
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So next version will mainly contain bug fixes and maybe some quality improvements?
You keep referring to bugs.
Which bugs do you mean, what part of the program is a problem for you?
I'm sure the dvd2one team would appreciate your input so they can go about repairing these 'bugs' you refer to.
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I think the most usefull new feature would be the ability to select more than one title and be able to combine 2 discs to one.
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Not trying to be mean (or an ass), but for those that only want a movie only and good quality, then may I suggest when there is a version that has 1:1 copying, just don't purchase it and keep the one you have. I mean, if the next update supposed to help increase quality, then purchase that one, and stop purchasing/updating after that. It's not really fair to say to all those who want 1:1 that there shouldn't be this option. As for me, I'm waiting for 1:1 copying, and hopefully an option that also lets you choose just the main movie. But this software looks to be very promising, and keep up the good work.
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Here's my second-guess:

I think the design premise of DVD2One - estimate the amount of compression needed at the outset and then refine that estimate as compression proceeds - starts to fail as the size of the original movie increases. (I'm assuming it does this as its target files are so uncannily close in size to the DVD5 maximum).
That implies - and tests bear this out - that DVD2One tends to compress more strongly towards the end of any given footage than it does at the beginning. If the movie is of reasonable length, you won't notice this. If, however, it's a movie of epic proportions, then visible [MPEG] artefacts start to creep in towards the finish.
My bet is that Erwin (and Rene) are working on a multi-pass strategy. This will obviously compromise the renowned speed of this program, so I'm betting they'll make it switchable. In other words, you'll be able to turn it off if the original movie is no more than about 6Gb. (I'm also betting that absolutely no one will ever do this! )
The spin off from this 'super quality' technology will be that the impact of adding menus and extras will be less. However, it cannot be gainsaid: if you convert a DVD9 to a DVD5 1:1, something's gotta give! The more extras that are jettisoned, the more elbow room is left for Erwin to maximise the main movie's quality.
Given the well controlled way this product has been written and managed, I'm not expecting to see 1:1 copying until the quality modifications are in-place and proven. So don't hold your breath for it in the next release.

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**These thoughts are my entirely own. I have no direct contact with the developers and they may well have something completely different in mind
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Here's my second-guess:

..........**These thoughts are my entirely own. I have no direct contact with the developers and they may well have something completely different in mind
Well let's hope they are thinking the same way then, because that would make a truly cracking prog!
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Before we can make the 1:1 copy version we need to improve the quality control of the engine. And that's something we are doing right now, allong with certain fixes in the engine to improve VOB handling.
If the compression pulsating blocks mentioned by Muad'dib could be eliminated, DVD2ONE would be an absolute god send for me! I'm looking at backing up my entire DVD library (80 odd) and the thought of having to go through a long and complicated CCE re-encoding procedure for each movie requiring DVD9->DVD5 (which means probably most of them) conversion is really daunting.

I'd love it if there was a 1:1 copy, but I'm more on the side of having A1 movie quality rather than the extras, I can always get the original out if I want to see the extras that bad. I think the idea of being able to define the quality of each PGC is a good one, but I'd imagine would take a bit of work to build in. Maybe a future release?

I don't care if the DVD2ONE transcode time takes 24 hours, if it means there is no noticable image degridation such as with a CCE DVD9->DVD5 conversion, it can take as long as it needs. The all-in-one (well almost) nature of DVD2ONE is the best thing since sliced bread in my books.
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I noticed that "pulsating bug" yesterday. I backed up a movie that's full of song tracks and is about 4 hours long. The quality was "ok" but the pulsating stuff was very distracting.
I then used InstantCopy and it didn't pulsate like that, and the quality was a little better.

If DVD2One can fix the quality issues, it will be the best!! I'm glad I bought DVD2One...now just waiting patiently for some quality improvements.
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I want cool graphics--say, little bunnies jumping across the screen while it works. Maybe Bill Gates being chased around the screen by a chicken. At least a couple of big red buttons that make sounds when you click on them.

Just kidding

I am amazed at the quality of the picture. Don't really care for all the extras. The only thing I'd like to see added is a default folder for my files. Right now, it remember where the last file was located and if I change that (which is everytime) I have to go through the whole thing from the top to find the specific folder.
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