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CloneDVD Discuss, Are We There Yet? (Movie) at Copy Movie forum; I was copying this movie and I received an error after copying 18% of the DVD, just after the movie's main menu, stating that D:/VIDEO_TS/VTS_03_1.VOB: read error -- Data Error (cyclic redundancy check). In the details it states the following: File 1 D:/VIDEO_TS/VTS_03_1.VOB 23


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Old 01-06-2005   #1 (permalink)
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Are We There Yet? (Movie)

I was copying this movie and I received an error after copying 18% of the DVD, just after the movie's main menu, stating that D:/VIDEO_TS/VTS_03_1.VOB: read error -- Data Error (cyclic redundancy check).

In the details it states the following:

File 1 D:/VIDEO_TS/VTS_03_1.VOB 23 TCSectorReader

Is there a new encryption process similar to that encountered with The Forgotten?

I am currently using an older version of CloneDVD2 2.6.2.3. Is there a current version that solves this problem?
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@ mugs,

Suggest visiting Elaborate Bytes (http://www.elby.de) or SlySoft (http://www.slysoft.com) and downloading the latest version of CloneDVD.

Also suggest downloading the latest version of AnyDVD when you are at the SlySoft Web Site.

Also suggest ensuring that your DVD copy of “Are We There Yet?” is clean and free of any scratches or blemishes.

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Re: Are We There Yet? (Movie)

The cycle redundancy error indicates you are trying to copy a defective disk, the only fix is to return it to place of purchase and get a new one.

Although highly advisable to run the latest version of CloneDVD and AnyDVD this will not correct the error, nor will any other software. Save yourself the time and aggravation and replace the disk. Seems like more and more brand new disks these days are having this problem. It will play fine on your computer and your stand alone without errors but you can't copy it. Trust me, been there, done that, and there is no magic cure.

If you are using a DVD burner to read the disk and have a DVD Rom also, use the DVD Rom to read the disk, they are better equipped to be able to read a flawed disk.
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The cycle redundancy error indicates you are trying to copy a defective disk, the only fix is to return it to place of purchase and get a new one.

Although highly advisable to run the latest version of CloneDVD and AnyDVD this will not correct the error, nor will any other software. Save yourself the time and aggravation and replace the disk. Seems like more and more brand new disks these days are having this problem. It will play fine on your computer and your stand alone without errors but you can't copy it. Trust me, been there, done that, and there is no magic cure.

If you are using a DVD burner to read the disk and have a DVD Rom also, use the DVD Rom to read the disk, they are better equipped to be able to read a flawed disk.
Although you are usually right, in this particular case I am not sure, if an update of AnyDVD/CloneDVD wouldn't help. (Or clicking the "Default" button in AnyDVD settings to remove all the manual tweaking people believe would do them good)
"Are We There Yet" is Arccos protected, and it is the 3rd title set which is protected, so if AnyDVD isn't running / is an old version / has its magic disabled you *would* indeed see a "VIDEO_TS/VTS_03_1.VOB 23 TCSectorReader".
I believe the original poster is not running AnyDVD and/or hasn't it enabled properly.
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@ Olli & itzbinnice,

Both of you folks are more knowledgeable than I am but on a couple of occasions when using the AnyDVD- CloneDVD combination I have received the Cyclic Redundancy Check data error notification. I have thoroughly cleaned (polished with Brasso) the offending DVD disk and the Cyclic Redundancy Check data error notification went away.

If in fact a defective DVD disk causes the Cyclic Redundancy Check data error notification could either Olli or itzbinnice explain why cleaning the suspect DVD disk, at least in my case, with Brasso corrected the Cyclic Redundancy Check data error notification problem. I am by no means trying to be argumentative but asking this question for the purpose of obtaining knowledge about the AnyDVD-CloneDVD software combination.

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If in fact a defective DVD disk causes the Cyclic Redundancy Check data error notification could either Olli or itzbinnice explain why cleaning the suspect DVD disk, at least in my case, with Brasso corrected the Cyclic Redundancy Check data error notification problem.
There are three possible reasons for Cyclic Redundancy Check data error notification:
1.) A defective disc, like itzbinnice said. Only replacing the disc should help. Sometimes reading in a different drive works.
2.) A copy protection with intentional errors (SONY Arccos, Puppetlock). Correcting AnyDVD settings (clicking "Default") or updating to the latest version often helps.
3.) A dirty disc. Cleaning might help.

It looks like you indeed had a dirty disc.
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@ Olli,

Thanks for taking the time to educate a novice. I will store this information in my cerebral data bank.

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You will always be the teacher, and I the student.

I was not aware that copy protction with intentional errors produced that error message, thank you for educating.

Sometimes I assume things without having all the facts. I always keep my CloneDVD and AnyDVD updated so when I get an Cyclic Redundancy Check data error it has always been a defective disk for me. I have tried all the software available without any luck in copying the disk, solution always was disk replacement that solved the problem.

I always clean my disks before the read stage, but here again I'm ASSUMING others do the same, it very well may be a dirty disk as you and bkjg suggested.
In addition I should not have assumed he/she was using AnyDVD, person never said what they used to remove the copy protection.

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I usually burn brand new store bought DVD's and these error messages seem to be appearing more frequently these days. I usually clean out of the box with a damp cotton cloth and dry with a clean cloth. On some older DVD's that I've gotten the message on, I tried tooth paste, rinse and dry, then apply some Pledge furniture polish as some people have suggested to remove scratches, never worked for me.
Only time I ever used Brasso was to clean my belt buckles while in the military,
what the heck, next time I'll give it a try and see if it works as it has for you.
Thanks for the tip.

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What software did you use to remove the copy protection?
Kindly advise if by thoroughly cleaning the disk if this removed the error message.
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Olli,
You will always be the teacher, and I the student.

I was not aware that copy protction with intentional errors produced that error message, thank you for educating.

Sometimes I assume things without having all the facts. I always keep my CloneDVD and AnyDVD updated so when I get an Cyclic Redundancy Check data error it has always been a defective disk for me. I have tried all the software available without any luck in copying the disk, solution always was disk replacement that solved the problem.

I always clean my disks before the read stage, but here again I'm ASSUMING others do the same, it very well may be a dirty disk as you and bkjg suggested.
In addition I should not have assumed he/she was using AnyDVD, person never said what they used to remove the copy protection.

bkjg
I usually burn brand new store bought DVD's and these error messages seem to be appearing more frequently these days. I usually clean out of the box with a damp cotton cloth and dry with a clean cloth. On some older DVD's that I've gotten the message on, I tried tooth paste, rinse and dry, then apply some Pledge furniture polish as some people have suggested to remove scratches, never worked for me.
Only time I ever used Brasso was to clean my belt buckles while in the military,
what the heck, next time I'll give it a try and see if it works as it has for you.
Thanks for the tip.

Muggs,
What software did you use to remove the copy protection?
Kindly advise if by thoroughly cleaning the disk if this removed the error message.
I was using an older version of both AnyDVD and CloneDVD. I have since updated both of these programs and I got the following message after about reading 68% of the source DVD: File 1 D:/VIDEO_TS/VTS_03_2.VOB 23 TCSectorReader.

It is more or less the same error as before. I will try and clean the DVD (new just out of the box) as instructed above.
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I was using an older version of both AnyDVD and CloneDVD. I have since updated both of these programs and I got the following message after about reading 68% of the source DVD: File 1 D:/VIDEO_TS/VTS_03_2.VOB 23 TCSectorReader.

It is more or less the same error as before. I will try and clean the DVD (new just out of the box) as instructed above.
This error actually could be a defective or dirty disc, because VTS_03_2.VOB is in the middle of the title set where VTS_03_1.VOB was the beginning.
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@ mugs,

Perchance do you have a different DVD “Reader” than the one you have been using?

As mentioned by Olli earlier “Sometimes reading in a different drive works”.

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@ mugs,

Perchance do you have a different DVD “Reader” than the one you have been using?

As mentioned by Olli earlier “Sometimes reading in a different drive works”.

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I did clean the DVD and I placed the DVD in another DVD "reader" and I received the same message (File 1 E:/VIDEO_TS/VTS_03_2.VOB 23 TCSectorReader) at the 53% mark. Perhaps this DVD may be defective.
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@ mugs,

I suggest re-reading Olli’s comments concerning the three reasons that can cause Cyclic Redundancy Check data error notification. By the way if you are unaware Olli is the original author of the CloneDVD software program.

Your diligent trouble-shooting efforts have narrowed the cause down to a defective DVD disk. You need to acquire a new DVD disk.

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For what it is worth . .
My experience with these type errors have pretty much always been due to defective source dvd's. Getting these errors seems to be happening more often these days, and it makes a person wonder if the recording studios aren't doing it purposely. These type errors can stop a computer in its tracks, but it will usually play on a standalone dvd player, albeit with obvious digital/audio artifacts caused by the read errors and the player's error correction circuitry.
This issue has impacted my dvd buying habits. Since I can no longer assume a purchased dvd is of acceptable q
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For what it is worth . .
My experience with these type errors have pretty much always been due to defective source dvd's. Getting these errors seems to be happening more often these days, and it makes a person wonder if the recording studios aren't doing it purposely. These type errors can stop a computer in its tracks, but it will usually play on a standalone dvd player, albeit with obvious digital/audio artifacts caused by the read errors and the player's error correction circuitry. Whenever I get one of these, I return it for a replacement/refund. I return them even when rented if they act up on my player, as defective and demand a replacement to view or a credit towards my next rental.
This issue has significantly impacted my dvd buying habits. Since I can no longer assume a purchased dvd is of acceptable quality, I can no longer buy them during the introduction week to get the best sales price, whether i plan to watch them right away or not. I will only buy what I can test/view that week. Having a job which entails frequent travel, this has had an impact. I estimate I am buying dvd's at only 25% of what I was purchasing before.
I also check carefully any cd's I purchase. If they include anything which inhibits my use of the cd or attempts to install software on my pc, it goes back as defective.
Since I've been an audio/video addict for many years, none of this has left me without quality movies to watch and music to hear. But it is saving me money.
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@ mugs,

I suggest re-reading Olli’s comments concerning the three reasons that can cause Cyclic Redundancy Check data error notification. By the way if you are unaware Olli is the original author of the CloneDVD software program.

Your diligent trouble-shooting efforts have narrowed the cause down to a defective DVD disk. You need to acquire a new DVD disk.

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I got around to returning the copy I origianlly had for a new one and I was able to copy it without any problems.

I will now know for future reference that VTS_03_2.VOB 23 is a DVD defect and I will then return the DVD for another one.

I would like to thank you all for your help!
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I got around to returning the copy I origianlly had for a new one and I was able to copy it without any problems.

I will now know for future reference that VTS_03_2.VOB 23 is a DVD defect and I will then return the DVD for another one.

I would like to thank you all for your help!
Muggs,
Glad you were able to copy it with a new disk.
Concentrate more on Cyclic Redundancy Check data error notification to identify a defective disk, rather than the staement you made:

"I will now know for future reference that VTS_03_2.VOB 23 is a DVD defect and I will then return the DVD for another one."
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Yall are wrong Its becasue of copy protection i tryed to copy the same move and it stoped at the same spot the only way i was able to copy it was using DVD Decrypter and copying the files to the hard drive then I used DVD Shrink 3.2 and shrunk the dvd worked great otherwise i couldnt do it
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Yall are wrong Its becasue of copy protection
VTS_03_2.VOB 23 surely isn't.
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Glad you were able to copy it with a new disk.
Concentrate more on Cyclic Redundancy Check data error notification to identify a defective disk, rather than the staement you made:

"I will now know for future reference that VTS_03_2.VOB 23 is a DVD defect and I will then return the DVD for another one."
Ok, I stand corrected.
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Yall are wrong Its becasue of copy protection i tryed to copy the same move and it stoped at the same spot the only way i was able to copy it was using DVD Decrypter and copying the files to the hard drive then I used DVD Shrink 3.2 and shrunk the dvd worked great otherwise i couldnt do it
Hmm, I must have special downloads of the latest versions of CloneDVD and AnyDVD, I had no problem at all backing up that movie.
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