I have some backup movies that skip or stall.

Use Nero CD-DVD Speed / disk quality tab to check the quality of your burns.
However,your problem is usually caused by poor quality media.

the first thing to avoid skipping and stalling is to make sure you're using quality media and have up to date firmware.

if your drive supports quality scanning (not all do) and disc quality scan with nero cd-dvd speed is a good indicator. check the blank media forum for tips and hints on reading the graphs.

if you can't so a quality scan you can still do a transfer rate test with nero cd-dvd speed. this will show you if there are any parts where the drive has to slow down to read (severe read speed dips are usually indicative of skips)

Thanks it happend when i purchased Fujifilm when i was using dynex which was Ricoh just goes to show when you get name brand and pay more you can get less.

I just looking for a 100% full proof way so i could decide what drive out of the 5 Ive been through will do the best job on bad media. I have it narrowed down to two and time is running out.

the only 100% fool proof way is to watch the movie. what do you mean time is running out?

@ wingman99,

Why would you want a DVD Drive for bad media?

The goal should be to obtain top of the line good reliable quality DVD Media.

Purchase top of the line good reliable quality DVD Media and all your problems will be corrected. Taiyo Yuden is top of the line good reliable quality DVD Media which can be obtained from Rima.Com (http://www.rima.com). Taiyo Yuden top of the line good reliable quality DVD Media is no more expensive that the cheaper low grade Media.

It should be noted that if you value the data you are recording to DVD Media you would not be risking the loss of that data by using cheap low grade media. While it might appear that data recorded to cheap low-grade media is accessible now but history shows that data recorded to cheap low-grade media over time (sometimes less than a month) deteriorates and makes data retrieval impossible.

Best Regards,
bjkg

even if you can get a good burn on bad media that doesn't mean it's going to stay a good burn.

if i were you, i'd sell the rest of the junky media you have for cheap to an unsuspecting friend (or in my case, my little brother...i'm evil, i know) and use the money towards some quality media.

anything you burn on the junk will have to be reburned. in the above recommendation you're only wasting a little money. if you wait it out, you'll be wasting MORE money plus twice the amount of time (having to reburn everything)

Because i cant return the drives if i go past the trial period.

It is so cool to be able to test all the drives to reach all the problems i read about in the forms. It has taken me about a month.

I feel a new approach is needed, the drive that can do the best on worst media and hard to scan discs is the one I'm keeping, I'm just about there

I have it narrowed down to top 2, (Sony DRU-820A/BenQ) and the (BenQ DW1655)
They both just do a excellent job with bad pressed disc and media

The Sony is actually better at detecting quality of burn speed it will adjust some of my 16x to 8x it seem to adjust all the time even in flight i think that is part of the reason why it has a longer delay when you put the disc in. zero coasters with Sony.

The Ben Q will just make coasters unless you turn on solid burn for known media. Then it goes to slow for everything so hate that feature i have to set the speed manually.

The benQ can scans better with scratched and dirty disc, but i forgot when i tested to check to see if the data was correct. I don't know if that's a plus or minus with data corruption. The Sony would not continue till i cleaned the disc.

Even the best media can be bad and thats is where im starting at.

Hi
wingman99, you say
"The Ben Q will just make coasters unless you turn on solid burn for known media. Then it goes to slow for everything so hate that feature i have to set the speed manually."
If a combination of SB & OS are employed this shouldn't be the case. Unless flash hasn't taken properly or media is dirty/poor in quality etc. Or drive has a problem.

Wanting a drive that reads scratched disks or disks with pressing "errors" (puposeful or not) is a good goal.

But wanting a drive that has a capability to burn cheap media may be a flawed goal for two reasons:

1. Cheap media rots and doesn't play in a year or less. Why do even do burns on cheap media?

2. Quality media is the same price as the crappy media such as memorex. Just shop online if your stores don't price well or you can't get the good stuff. Sony(made in japan only), Taiyo Yuden, Verbatim.

Anyway, it's a mute point since both your drive choices are BenQ, which many on cdf rate as the best. The Sony model is a rebagged which model(?) of the BenQ?

Best regards,
Whisperer

How much experience do you have with your 1655? You're doing something wrong, because I, along with many, many others, get great results with that drive. Feed it some quality media and you're set. I can burn a full DVD in less than 8 minutes at 8x with SB on. Where's the problem?

he has already stated that his media is poor quality,

Where were you when i joined the form and asked repeatedly over the
forms, what is the best DRIVE. I see everyone else asks the same question.

Where is the best drive listed at

How do you know what the best drive is

What testing did you do to find the best drive.

DRU-820A is the BenQ DW1670 that has not been produced yet

What drive here reads and scans the best through scratches and film with reliable data.
is it ND-3550A, Pioneer DRW-1608P2, DUW1616L, BenQ DW1655, DRU-820A

Also could you tell me what drive here writes perfect with lowest grade media, because i already know what ones messup a High grade DVD+RW/DVD+R.
is it ND-3550A, Pioneer DRW-1608P2, DUW1616L, BenQ DW1655, DRU-820A
DRU-820A

Did you know that a RW can be re burned over 1000 times if you have the right drive.
I was able to bring back the DVD+RW coasters with a good drive. It was not easy and I continued using them for consistency testing. They should reburn for next 3 years for me.

I still have same drive and weekly used CD RW media from my last small scale test 3 years ago.


To everyon else that let me know the best way to test for 100% perfect burn is by watching the movie.
It saved me allot of time from searching and trying to test better ways

I made a few test discs about 5 minuets into the movies defects, dirty film problems.

I traced back most of my original skips.
Some were certain drives allowing to much of a badscan and some where the original copy's

I have 7 more days left

@ wingman99,

Just a bit of bit of information that you need to be made aware of -> No Forum Member is under any obligation to respond to any other Forum Member’s posting inquiry.

There is no “Best Drive”. It’s like asking what’s the best color. The “Best Drive” is an extremely subjective determination made by the individual who is reviewing the data and performance of various DVD Burners. Information one individual might consider signification another individual might consider inconsequential. That is why you can perform an extensive review of all CD Freaks Postings and will be unable to find this elusive list of the “Best Drive”.

Just because a particular DVD Burner appears to burn cheap garbage DVD media is not an indication that it can produce quality error free burns on high quality DVD media.

The life span of a RW Media is extremely difficult to estimate reliably. It should be noted that absolutely no RW Media Manufacturer and/or DVD Burner Manufacturer warranties (guarantees) the useable life span of any RW Media. Suggest viewing the below Optical Storage Technology Association (OSTA) article.

http://www.osta.org/technology/dvdqa/dvdqa11.htm

A recorded DVD “might” appear to be error fee during personnel visual viewing but that doesn’t mean that in fact it doesn’t contain errors and that it was a quality burn. These visually undetected errors can cause the recorded DVD to become unreadable in a short period of time (less than a month). The absolute definitive way to determine if a recorded DVD is error free and a quality burn is using a diagnostic utility software program. That is exactly why these diagnostic utility software program were developed. Also that’s why informed individuals are concerned with PIE, PIF, and Jitter spikes in their recorded DVDs. These spikes are a true indicator of the quality and reliability of their recorded DVDs. If you were conducting a true meaningful evaluation of various DVD Burners you would be using a diagnostic utility software program and performing disk quality scans of your recorded DVDs.

On another note -> Exactly who is paying for these various DVD Burners that you are testing? Perchance are you sticking it to some unsuspecting retailer and abusing their 30-day return policy are you? What is this retailer suppose to do with a DVD Burner after you have used for 30-days?

Best Regards,
bjkg

I was just looking for the best drive and it turned out to be better.

They all are supposes to do the same job. There is one that i discovered is the best at everything.


The best DRIVE

You have know idea the kind of testing i have done so don't lecture me, i will give you a tastes

Endurance and constancy testing :checks for cheep sloppy internals

IDE I/O DAM, Multitasking testing : test performance and data integrity

Reading and installing of programs from various pressed disc: tests speed handling of I/O and DMA function.

Testing all operations start to finish with stop watch with varying media and pressed discs: Tests speed.

Being able scanning the troublesome movies that i test duplicated form the forms: Allows you to backup any movie to date.

Test reading or scanning scratched, dirty,corrupted data:Test error correction, if it is to strong you wont be able to scan the troublesome movies. If it is set to liberal you will have incorrect data when approximation hits calculation.
The best drive is almost perfect at this balance i could not believe it my self.

I'm vary proud of this test it was vary vary hard to construct, but to cool to see.

Your favorite

Media testing HIGH QUALITY and LOW QUALITY : Test ACCURACY of a drive and FIRMWARE, i received bonus best drive adjusted on the fly


You have to know how a drive works to understand. It's a optical laser on a track, a spiral record on spindle with bearings. It can get out whack easy with cheep quality parts.

The sharper the edge of the bun the more easily readable it is.
What makes a sharp edge? a good drive


Media what make it HIGH QUALITY AND LOW QUALITY
HIGH QUALITY When being lased it leaves a sharp edge with the dye

My testing

High quality drive, high quality media= best burn

Low quality drive, high quality media= OK burn

Low quality drive, and low quality media= coaster

High quality drive, and low quality media= OK burn

Well one drive to my surprise passed all the above tests 100%

This is what it is like to own a drive like this,
If it was the first drive i bought

I would not have a single problem with any task. Would not have become a member here. would not payed much attention to media because it works on anything.

the only thing i would have been wondered since a would have no complaints. is if there is a faster one

Now i know it's just a fast as the rest, some times faster i don't have to fiddle with the speed to prevent coasters on low grade media or high grade media that switched manufacturing plants or quality.

Yes i tested way to many drives, some were faulty, defect, returns and some i was dissatisfied with function and quality, i contacted allot of the manufactures about there problems.

As long a you want to settle for less be my guest.

If there were more people like me you would not have so many problems in the forms, sure the drives would cost little more, much better parts and chips and firmware are worth it.

#1, get over yourself.

#2, there really is no such thing as a BEST drive. we all use our drives for different purposes, making different drives suitable for us. There is enough variation withing SAME models of a drive to definitively say what is best for one person may not be best for another.

#3, if you're just going to be immature and "i have the best drive, but i won't tell you what is it na na na na na" then you really don't need to be posting here.

also, i just caught this part. you're CRAZY if you still think all media is the same.

it's not even worth explaining if after all of the help we've tried to offer you still don't want to listen to some very knowledgeable people.

@ wingman99,

A trace of knowledge can be quite dangerous in the hands of the uninformed. When someone takes that minuscule amount of knowledge and portrays themselves as an expert leads to ultimate disastrous results but add an enormous amount of arrogance and belligerence to the mix and it leads to certain catastrophic results.

Best Regards,
bjkg

Well you missed the part
Media what make it HIGH QUALITY AND LOW QUALITY
HIGH QUALITY When being lased it leaves a sharp edge with the dye

My testing

High quality drive, high quality media= best burn

Low quality drive, high quality media= OK burn

Low quality drive, and low quality media= coaster

High quality drive, and low quality media= OK burn

Well one drive to my surprise passed all the above tests 100%

What is this na na na about

If you would of asked me with genuine intrest what is the different problems with different drives I would of told you. You probably know those things so i don't want insult you.

Actually if you would of read my post and tried to understand.
you would be asking technical questions.

as the saying goes you get back what you put into it.

As it turns out one drive can do any tasks with accuracy
what that means it will work with anyone on anything you do.

how can i check the movie without watching: Is about error correction

wingman99
I have seen some oddballs in this forum, but you certainly take the grand prize
BTW don't forget the kithchen sink
you certainly left nothing else out

Enjoy your grandiose testing
while the rest of us burn and watch and enjoy ourselves

PS don't forget to take your Haldol

I just looked up Haldol

Is that a drug of choice for people trying to determine optical drive performance by a scan from the same drive lol.

Have you ever seen a dog chase his own tail.

Use CD-CHECK Test Disc, you can stop chasing your tail
http://www.digital-recordings.com/cdcheck/cdcheck.html