Is it possible to use DVD shrink to copy a DVD to my hard drive and then CloneDVD to write the disc using the "Write exisiting data" option?

This appears to be the only way I can overcome my current problems.

I assume you are not using AnyDVD. In this case, you can do what you said, but dvdshrink will not rip some of the newer dvd's and it is no longer updated. It would be better to get AnyDVD and then you could do the whole thing with CloneDVD.

Yes I am using AnyDVD but my computer keeps crashing when using CloneDVD to read the dvd so I thought I might use Shrink and then Clone to write.

@ kanamint,

After reviewing previous Forum postings initiated by you over the past 6 months your problem involving the use of AnyDVD- CloneDVD and you computer ‘crashing’ is an ongoing problem that has existed for over 6 months.

The AnyDVD-CloneDVD combination is a very stable proven software program. If the combination causes your computer to ‘crash’ you have some serious problems with your computer. An example is that on 18 June 05 you made a Forum posting titled “Bad_Pool_Error (BSOD) when writing DVD” in which you were reporting that when using CloneDVD your computer would crash and shut down. It should be noted that this posting is still ‘open’ and has not been resolved. Since your initial “Bad_Pool_Error (BSOD) when writing DVD” posting which is still considered open you have made numerous Forum postings concerning problems with AnyDVD-CloneDVD and your computer ‘crashing’.

Before Forum Members are going to be able to provide meaningful assistance you are going to need to provide a concise detailed description of exactly what has transpired with your computer and the AnyDVD-CloneDVD software program. If you fail to provide all pertinent information concerning you problem you are wasting your time and Forum Member’s time.

Example: What CD/DVD burning software programs are installed on your computer. Any type of hardware error notifications you have received. Other software programs that fail to operate properly. Any hardware installed on your computer other than original equipment. The above items are just some of the information that will be required to trouble shoot your problem.

It should be noted on 20 October 05 it was suggested that you provide the above pertinent information so that Forum Members could provide assistance to correct your problem but as of this date/time you have failed to provide this pertinent information.

Realistically how do you expect Forum Members to provide assistance to get to the route cause of your problem when you fail to provide all the pertinent information to trouble-shoot your ongoing AnyDVD-CloneDVD ‘crashing’ computer problem?

Best Regards,
bjkg

Hi bjkg

I apologise for all my posts. I just got very frustrated not being able to work out what is wrong with my computer.

I agree that CloneDVD is a great program and I have had a lot of success over the last year in backing up a lot of my DVD library.

Please accept my apology and please rest easy that I will not bother you or any of your forum members ever again.

Thanks for all your assistance and I wish you the best for the future.

@ kanamint,

One of the functions that the CD Freak Forum does is to provide assistance to fellow Forum Members when they have problems. When Forum Members provide sufficient information concerning their problem generally knowledge Forum Members are able to provide assistance to correct the problem.

The problem in your particular case is that you make Forum posting stating that you computer keeps on ‘crashing’ but as of this date/time you have not provided ANY information as to what could possibly be causing your problem.

If you will simply provide Forum Members with enough pertinent information concerning you problem we can most likely provide assistance that will correct your problem.

Best Regards,
bjkg

@kanamint
Please don't go away mad at the forum members that are trying to help you, it serves no purpose, your problem will still be present. bjkg is trying to help you if you know it or not. Just make an effort to provide the details when asked.

Sometimes when a question is asked for you to answer, it may seem innappropriate or insignificant in your mind as to how it relates to your problem. Most times it is significant and can offer a clue to where the problem lies.
CloneDVD and AnyDVD are fine products and is well worth the effort of trying to identify what is causing your burn efforts to fail.
More than likely it is a some sort of serious software conflict if you experienced the BSOD.

If you uninstall CloneDVD does your computer behave normally?

Let's start there and see if we can get to the bottom of this.

Hi

Thanks for your post - much appreciated.

I think I may have found part of my problem. When I use the DVD Write, the preferred speed used to be set at maximum. I have now had to reduce that down to 2-2.4x in order for it to write without any error messages, or getting the BSOD.

I have an LG GSA 4163B DVD Burner and it has served me well for just over a year now. I never get an error message when burning. It is always when I am writing the DVD. I use TDK DVD-R to burn and these never fail me.

Do you think that it may have something to do with my LG DVD burner in that I need to reduce the preferred speed down so far, or is it normal to have the preferred speed at 2-2.4x?

I look forward to hearing from anyone regarding the writing speed.

Thanks and Merry Christmas to you all.

kanamint,
Thanks, that's much better, at least now we have something to work with. It appears your problem does not lie with CloneDVD but rather a hardware issue with your LG burner.
It is very important that the burner was installed properly, it should be on the secondary ide channel and set up as the master. If anything else is on that channel it should be set to slave. I don't know your PC technical abilities but this is crucial in having your burner perform at it's peak. If you are unable to do it maybe a friend can help you that knows how.

It's also important to verify that the LG is set up to have DMA enabled. Below is a link that provides a nice tutorial on how to check for this as well as uninstalling the secondary ide channel.
I WOULD BEGIN BY UNINSTALLING THE IDE CHANNEL, then reboot.
Tutorial on DMA

http://www.dvdplusvideo.com/dvdguide005.html

Next is to make sure you have the latest firmware. This is important since bugs are corrected as well as adding new compatible media.
In my search I found the latest firmware for the LG GSA 4163b is 105A. You can download it here:
LG GSA Firmware Link (latest is A105)

http://www.cdfreaks.com/drive/597

If you don't know your firmware you should download NeroCDSpeed (free).
This is a handy tool for DVD burning. It displays your firmware version, shows the media manufacturer (not packager), you can test your burned DVD's for errors, and several other features. Before you upgrade your firmware download CD speed and install so you can determine what firmware you have.
Get It Here: http://www.cdspeed2000.com/

Lastly you may want to consider using better media than TDK, Tayio Yuden, Verbatim, and Maxell are better choices. With the CDSpeed you downloaded you can determine the manufacturer of the media. Visit the CDFreaks media thread and learn what others consider acceptable media along with their manufacturers codes.
There is no reason why a functioning DVD burner should not burn to the maximum speed the media indicates as is your case. There is always the possibility your drive is going DOA and the slower seed required to burn is an early indicator. Not a big deal, burners are cheap enough these days so it won't be tragic if you need to replace it.

Let us know how you make out.

@ kanamint,

Thank you for taking the time and effort and providing some information so that Forum Members will be able to attempt to provide some assistance.

I agree with Forum Member itzbinnice from the information you have provided that your problem is not caused by the CloneDVD software program.

If your LG GSA 4163B DVD Burner is working correctly, you have the latest DVD Burner firmware installed, and you are using good known reliable DVD media you should be able to burn data at the rated speed of the DVD media without any problems.

Forum Member itzbinnice is pointing you in the right direction in troubling shooting your problem. If after following his troubling shooting suggestions and you are still having problems burning data at the rated speed of the DVD media you could have some malfunction hardware item.

Usually Blue Screen Of Death (BSOD) issues are caused by some type of hardware item that is marginally performing. This could be caused by defective RAM memory, poor performing power supply unit, a defective video card, or other hardware item that is not functioning properly. Suggest viewing a recent posting by Forum Member cybergranddad who is also having a problem with his computer ‘crashing/looking up’. Please note that I suggested using a software utility program called PassMark BurnIn Test (http://www.passmark.com/products/bit.htm), which helps to identify hardware items that are performing marginally which narrows down the items that could be causing your problem. I have used this program in the past when I was having a problem similar to what you are experiencing. Using PassMark BurnIn Test I was able to identify a power supply that was marginally performing and I replace the power supply and my problem went away. Below is a link the “Computer Performance & CloneDVD2” posting by Forum Member cybergranddad.

http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=158748

Please remember that Forum Member itzbinnice is pointing you in the right direction in troubling shooting your problem. If after performing all the troubling shooting suggestions recommended by Forum Member itzbinnice and you are still having problems burning data at the rated speed of the DVD media is the time to start looking at possible hardware related items.

Best Regards,
bjkg

Hi kanamint,

First update the firmware of your 4163B:
http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?download_id=1973

Then there is a problem with the software that occasionally comes with this burner. It's called B's Clip (part of B's Recorder). Shut it down if it's running.

TDK blanks may be your best choice, but change them anyway. You never know until you tried...

Thanks for your reply. However I have never had a problem writing the disc, the problem is always when I am copying or cloning an existing DVD. Therefore it doesn't matter what type of blanks I use as they have never caused my computer to crash.

I'll keep investigating.

@ kanamint,

It is very important to use quality blank DVD media when making a backup copy of a Commercial DVD Title.

It is quite possible your problem is related to particular blank DVD media you are using. The whole procedure of backing up a Commercial DVD Title is a lot different than just copying data to a DVD. Copying a Commercial DVD Title is very demanding task on computer resources and if you have a hardware component marginally performing can quite easily causing your computer to ‘crash’.

Also it is important to ensure that your DVD Burner has the latest most up to date version of firmware available installed. There is a close relationship between DVD media and DVD Burner firmware. The DVD Burner firmware provides the ‘directions’ as to how to burn to data to the blank DVD media correctly. If the firmware isn’t optimized to recognize the blank DVD media there is a conflict and the DVD Burner ‘struggles’ to figure out how to exactly burn the data correctly. During this ‘struggle’ is were your computer can ‘crash’. Slowing down the burning speed allows the DVD Burner time to ‘think’ and with this extra time to ‘think’ doesn’t struggle and thus doesn’t cause the computer to ‘crash’. Yes DVD Media and DVD Burner firmware is one very important facture that can easy cause your computer to crash.

Throughout all your posting concerning your problem Forum Members have requested that you provide the MID (Manufacture ID and Media Code) of the particular blank DVD media you are using and the DVD Manufacture/Model Number/Firmware of your DVD Burner. Obtaining this information is very simple. Use either DVD Identifier (http://dvd.identifier.cdfreaks.com) or DVDInfo (http://www.dvdinfopro.com). These software programs are free and don’t cost anything so there shouldn’t be a problem in providing the requested information.

Please keep an open mind and help Forum Members help you with your problem. CD Freaks Forum Members have a wealth of knowledge and with this knowledge can assist you in correcting your problem.

Best Regards,
bjkg

Thanks for your reply bjkg, but without wanting to repeat myself I wish to stress that the crashing of my computer has nothing to do with the blank media that I use.

The crashing always takes place whilst the commercial DVD is in the LG 4163B, not the blank media. The crashing occurs as the LG 4163B is reading the commercial DVD not whilst writing the movie to the blank disc.

I've just updated my burners firmware from A103 to A105 and will let you know if this has any success.

Hava nice weekend.

To answer your original question . .
Yes - you most certainly can use DVDShrink to process your video files to a folder, and then use CloneDVD2's "write existing data" option to burn the new dvd, if that process works well for you on your system. Why CloneDVD2 causes problems when ripping your video files is a mystery. Maybe you can get someone at the manufacturer to assist (Elby or Slysoft, I assume). What version numbers of CloneDVD2 and AnyDVD are you running?

I believe you can still run AnyDVD in the background, giving DVDShrink the benefit of AnyDVD's capabilities.

First I would Make Sure you are in DMA mode by looking at this Guide. Your drive can revert to PIO mode at any time without warning. PIO=POS
Also, make sure your Anti-Virus is disabled and all other unneccessary applications are closed.

Although you are not having a disk problem you should get the freeware DVD Identifier to make sure you are using the disks that your burner likes (Get it Here). BTW, I burn at 4x and never have a problem.

Many name brands like TDK etc. use different manufacturers for their disks. I have seen, by the way, TDK made by Ty Yuden, CMC Magnetics and of course TDK. However, just looking at the disks they look the same, but looks are disceiving.


BTW, Rich86 gave you a good answer concerning DVD Shrink.
In the end if you decide to mostly use Shrink then I would rip to an ISO with Shirnk then burn that ISO with freeware ImgBurn Located Here.
ImgBurn is developed by LIGHTNING UK! author of DVD Decrypter.
Regards,

@ kanamint,

Perchance can you get your story straight?

The following is direct quote from your #8 posting in this thread ->
So according to your own statement in your #8 posting your BSOD problem was occurring when you were writing data to blank DVD media.

You have changed your story and now saying that your BSOD problem is occurring when you are reading Commercial DVD Movie Titles.

When you keep on changing your story makes getting to the route cause of your problem very difficult.

Best Regards,
bjkg

Man, this is frustrating . I have not changed my story. Please let me explain.

I put a commercial DVD in my LG 4163B DVD Burner, say "Gladiator". This is not a blank media it is the actual movie Gladiator.

I then click on CloneDVD2. I am given 3 options:

1) Copy DVD Titles
2) Clone DVD
3) Write Existing Data

I click on number 2 - Clone DVD

Then I click on "DVD Video Files" and I find Gladiator in these files and click on OK.

The quality control bar then reads say 71%. I click next and it brings up another screen showing Stream Preferences and scans on the bottom bar. I then click next.

I am then given 3 Output methods as follows:

1) DVD Files
2) ISO/UDF Image
3) DVD Writer

I choose number 3 - DVD Writer

Half way down the page there is a "Preferred Speed" column and it has the following speeds:

1 x
2-2.4 x
4 x
6 x
8 x
12 x
16 x
maximum

I have to choose a speed for it to write this Commercial DVD - Gladiator, not a blank media.

What I am saying is that I previously had the preferred speed on maximum, and now i have to reduce it down to 2-2.4 x or even 1x in order for it to write the Commercial DVD.

I hope this all makes sense. I am tired of been told about Blank Media. I do not care about blank media as my LG 4163B has never failed to write onto a blank media disc, and this involves at least 200 blank media writes. So you can appreciate my frustration about being told what sort of blank media to use.

My concern is that when writing a commercial DVD I have to have it down to the lowest write speed and this had progressively getting slower and slower until I can see shortly that even 1 x speed will fail as well.

Hava great weekend.

Kana

You may be tired of hearing about blank media but it plays a big role in successful DVD burning.

Let's rule out the blank media, your last statement "this had progressively getting slower and slower until I can see shortly that even 1 x speed will fail as well", may be an indicator that your burner is on it's way out and unable to reach the higher speeds that you are setting and the media is capable of burning. As stated before if you media is rated at 8X you should be able to burn at that speed without problems,

An ideal test would be to put the burner in another computer and see if the same condition exists, if it does you can rule out that your computer is not at fault and the burner will need to be replaced. If the burner performs properly, then the problem lies with your computer and will need additional diagnosing since it's root appearsas some sort of hardware failure.
Just because something worked yesterday does not mean it will work again today. Merely look at the tow trucks and flatbeds hauling peoples cars to the shop for repair, the owner in disbelief howling, but it started up fine yesterday.

@ kanamint

If appears that you are totally unaware of what the “Preferred Speed” box in CloneDVD is actually controlling. This “Preferred Speed” box is where you are setting the Burning Speed – repeat – the Burning Speed of the blank DVD Media you are using. This box is not setting the Reading Speed of your DVD Burner. The reading speed of your DVD Burner is set internally in your DVD Burner through the DVD Burner firmware. There is not any external setting that you can set the Reading Speed of you DVD Burner. This Reading Speed of your DVD Burner is only controlled by internal firmware.

Suggest reading the CloneDVD User Manual to fully understand exactly what all the setting in the CloneDVD software program control. To access the CloneDVD User Manual click on the ‘Help’ box located in the top right hand corner of the CloneDVD display.

Until you acquire an open mind and decide to acquire top of the line quality DVD media you will continue to experience your current BSOD problem.

Best Regards,
bjkg

bjkg,
Forgive an "outside" observation. You are right. Here is the key sentence that proves that kanamint is suffering from a mild form of tunnel vision as to what is actually taking place at the different stages of a CloneDVD backup.

"I have to choose a speed for it to write this Commercial DVD - Gladiator, not a blank media."

Wrong, wrong, very wrong use of terminology. Guys, kanamint is freezing up durning the rip, he hasn't even gotten to a burn. But in his own terminology, he is calling it a "write". He is using the term "write" to describe transfering the original movie to his hard drive. This process is, of course, called "ripping" the original to the HDD.

But the incorrect wording that kanamint is using to describe the problem is the problem here. And is leading you to the wrong diagnosis.

The discourse between the three key posters here has become bogged down in a kind of conversational quicksand leading to all of your frustrations. That's why it seems like kanamint hasn't got his story straight. So what all you guys have to do is establish a common language because it is simple semantics that is keeping you all from communicating with each other.

My analyst fees are $200 an hour. Your hour is up. Please pay my assistant on the way out.

Best regards,
Whisperer

Finally someone who understands what is happening.

But did you read anything else that I wrote? You're confusing the crap out of these poor guys dude!

"Write" is wrong if you know what i mean. Now you kids work it out and come tell dad when you're finished!

Can I get a reduced rate for being a CD Freaks member?

Great observation Whisperer1, you have the ability to look at the whole picture and not concentrate on specific words. Thanks for straightening this out.

kanamint,
Now that you know the correct terminology for stages of DVD burning, please describe exactly when you experience this problem of BSOD.