Championship Manager 0304 + BW 5.02.113 - Club CDFreaks

YaZ · 26-11-2003

I've tried using the trial of this to backup the new championship manager 0304 game.

Its listed in the protection forum as Securom New and this is exactly what ClonyXXL reported.

Thinking that Securom New was OLDER than the 4.8x versions I thought that this should be easy enough to copy.

I scanned and burnt this using my LiteOn 52327s but none of the copies I have made will run the game.

I have made the following copies:

Imaged + burnt with LiteOn 52327s QS0B firmware with BW 5.02.113.
Image from QS0B but burnt with QS0C firmware with BW 5.02.113.
Imaged + burnt with LiteOn 52327s QS0C firmware with BW 5.02.113.
Imaged + Patched + Burnt using LiteOn 52327s QS0C firmware with Alcohol 1.47.1005 + Device drive patch v2.3.3.1022.

Anybody got this working?

YaZ · 27-11-2003

Any help guys?? I need to give my brother his CD back tomorrow but I haven't got a working copy yet?

**Womble** · 27-11-2003

Somebody could have helped you untill you posted this.

Quote:

Originally posted by YaZ
Any help guys?? I need to give my brother his CD back tomorrow but I haven't got a working copy yet?

If you don't own it then copy it is illegal as it bascially becomes stolen.

YaZ · 28-11-2003

We do own the copy. He bought it from GAME for a rip off price of £29.99 (beh... might as well return it and get it for £18 from amazon).

My brother is only upstairs from me but he wants to play the game asap. I usually make a backup for him to use and then keep hold of the original (he's careless with CD's and often ends up scratching them or loosing them in his room).0

Took me ages to be able to get the forums to work just to reply

Have they been down recently?

genjai · 28-11-2003

the server the forum has been hosted at has had a upgrad the last few days, thats why its been some problems

could you post a log from bw5

YaZ · 28-11-2003

http://server4.uploadit.org/files/281103-BW5.Log

Full log as I have only used BW for CM 0304 at the moment.

I have the following drives that I can use in a different combination for image/burning purposes:

Toshiba SD-M 1402 XY14
LiteOn 52327S - QS0C
Sony DRU 500AX - 2.0G

*kamikazee* · 28-11-2003

You need to figure out what version of securom it is. Anything before 4.84 does not need to have topology extracted. Get the protection version first.

**philamber** · 28-11-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by kamikazee
Anything before 4.84 does not need to have topology extracted.

From v-4.77.00.0050 (Emperor: Rise of the Middle Kingdom) up, surely?

YaZ · 28-11-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by kamikazee
You need to figure out what version of securom it is. Anything before 4.84 does not need to have topology extracted. Get the protection version first.

Well I don't know exactly what it is using as ClonyXXL says Securom New as does the post in the CD proections forum:
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread....threadid=80197

If it is using the old Securom NEW protection then shouldn't this be copyable??

I've tried to do an install scan but it doesn't find anything in the exe files and then won't read past a png file (from one of the data folders). Yates says it can't find Securom or Safedisc on either the installed exe or the cd exe.

I'm miffed at the moment.

YaZ · 29-11-2003

I ran the system monitor on ClonyXXL and it picked up SecuROM New > 4.78.XX

Is there a log for Clony that will give the full string? or does this mean clony can't read the exact version?

Might be worth changing the protection list forum's post to this rather than SecuROM *new*.

**FutureProof** · 29-11-2003

Scanning Tools

*kamikazee* · 29-11-2003

Quote:

From v-4.77.00.0050 (Emperor: Rise of the Middle Kingdom) up, surely?

My fault wasn't paying attention to the keys. and didn't double check my post.
see if the game is listed here

**FutureProof** · 29-11-2003

Previous versions of Championship Manager Season 0x/0y have been ProtectCD

Championship Manager X is SecuROM. Last one was v-4.84.69 0101 for "4"

YaZ · 29-11-2003

It's definately SecuROM but I none of the tools I have tried find the version.

Protection ID 4.1 just says it's SecuROM and that's as close as I can get.

I've tried looking for the version with a hex editor but I am not sure what I am looking for (not used Hex editor to look before).

**FutureProof** · 29-11-2003

False return? All the previous versions have been ProtectCD. So, any woking copies yet?

YaZ · 29-11-2003

Not yet.

I will try another attempt tomorrow.

Damn Project Gotham 2

tooo distracting

YaZ · 01-12-2003

How much of an affect would be the media quality on the backups of a secuROM *new* 4.84.xx game?

Everybody strives to get a good BWA/Topology extraction but, when burning, does the quality/refectiveness of the media affect the reading of the "wobbles"??

I know that to some extent that media will always play a part in the backup's quality. I have made all of my attempts to burn CM0304 using:

Datawrite 40x Silver Premium by Datasafe.

Drive Type = CD-RW
Disc Type = CDR
Material = Cyanine
Lead In = 97:15:12
Lead Out = 79:59:73
Nominal Capacity = 702.83MB
Manufacturer Maybe = RiTEK,S
Smart-Burn Speed Limit = 52X(Write)

I also have some 48x Taiyo Yuden media that I have yet to use in an attempt at a working backup.

Drive Type = CD-RW
Disc Type = CDR
Material = Cyanine
Lead In = 97:24:01
Lead Out = 79:59:72
Nominal Capacity = 702.83MB
Manufacturer Maybe = Taiyoyuden,DX Dye
Smart-Burn Speed Limit = 52X(Write)

**FutureProof** · 01-12-2003

Is topology extraction occurring? Can you post a log?

YaZ · 01-12-2003

I've post a url above for the full log of BW5 (only installed and used it with CM0304 so far).

Here it is:http://server4.uploadit.org/files/281103-BW5.Log

Here is the first log from BW5 of my first attempt to copy it.

25/11/2003 16:47:04 info ******************** Report session closed *********************
25/11/2003 16:46:28 info Write completed in 01:19
25/11/2003 16:46:19 info Finalize started
25/11/2003 16:45:10 info Write started
25/11/2003 16:45:10 info Buffer Under-run protection is enabled
25/11/2003 16:45:10 info Media topology will be embedded in Autoplay
25/11/2003 16:45:10 info Backup tagged for Autoplay
25/11/2003 16:45:10 info DAO PW writing mode selected
25/11/2003 16:45:10 info Writing speed required x372, effective x52
25/11/2003 16:45:09 info DAO writing mode preferred
25/11/2003 16:45:09 info Writing CD-ROM Disc [CM0304] - Image Size 244 Mb.
25/11/2003 16:45:09 info Writing device : 1:0:0 - LITE-ON LTR-52327S QS0B [G] (Ide)
25/11/2003 16:44:35 info Topology extraction completed in 02:19
25/11/2003 16:42:16 info Topology: x8 Read required, x8 selected
25/11/2003 16:42:16 info Topology extraction started
25/11/2003 16:42:16 info Extraction successful in 01:22
25/11/2003 16:42:16 info 1 sectors fixed between LBA 104181 and 104181
25/11/2003 16:40:54 info Free Space on destination path 23.8 Gb.
25/11/2003 16:40:54 info Reading CD-ROM Disc [CM0304] - Image Size 244 Mb.
25/11/2003 16:40:54 info Read data with subcodes PW for track 1
25/11/2003 16:40:53 info Reading device : 1:0:0 - LITE-ON LTR-52327S QS0B [G] (Ide)
25/11/2003 16:40:53 info Extraction started
25/11/2003 16:39:06 info Using Patin-Couffin driver Version 1.16, Internal revision 16
25/11/2003 16:39:06 info Autoplay driver active. Version 4
25/11/2003 16:39:06 info ParamStr 0 = "C:\Program Files\vso\BlindWrite5\BW.exe"
25/11/2003 16:39:06 info User default language : 2057 (0x0809h) - English (United Kingdom)
25/11/2003 16:39:06 info System default language : 2057 (0x0809h) - English (United Kingdom)
25/11/2003 16:39:06 info Version 5.0.2.113
25/11/2003 16:39:06 info Title : BlindWrite 5.0.2.113
25/11/2003 16:39:06 info ExeName : "C:\Program Files\vso\BlindWrite5\BW.exe"
25/11/2003 16:39:06 info OS : Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1 (Build 2600)
25/11/2003 16:39:06 info ******************** Report session started ********************
25/11/2003 16:34:16 info ******************** Report session closed *********************
25/11/2003 16:33:44 info Using Patin-Couffin driver Version 1.16, Internal revision 16
25/11/2003 16:33:44 info Autoplay driver active. Version 4
25/11/2003 16:33:43 info ParamStr 0 = "C:\Program Files\vso\BlindWrite5\BW.exe"
25/11/2003 16:33:43 info User default language : 2057 (0x0809h) - English (United Kingdom)
25/11/2003 16:33:43 info System default language : 2057 (0x0809h) - English (United Kingdom)
25/11/2003 16:33:43 info Version 5.0.2.113
25/11/2003 16:33:43 info Title : BlindWrite 5.0.2.113
25/11/2003 16:33:43 info ExeName : "C:\Program Files\vso\BlindWrite5\BW.exe"
25/11/2003 16:33:43 info OS : Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1 (Build 2600)
25/11/2003 16:33:43 info ******************** Report session started ********************
25/11/2003 16:28:43 info ******************** Report session closed *********************
25/11/2003 16:28:20 info Using Patin-Couffin driver Version 1.16, Internal revision 16
25/11/2003 16:28:20 info Autoplay driver active. Version 4
25/11/2003 16:28:20 info ParamStr 0 = "C:\Program Files\vso\BlindWrite5\BW.exe"
25/11/2003 16:28:20 info User default language : 2057 (0x0809h) - English (United Kingdom)
25/11/2003 16:28:20 info System default language : 2057 (0x0809h) - English (United Kingdom)
25/11/2003 16:28:20 info Version 5.0.2.113
25/11/2003 16:28:20 info Title : BlindWrite 5.0.2.113
25/11/2003 16:28:20 info ExeName : "C:\Program Files\vso\BlindWrite5\BW.exe"
25/11/2003 16:28:20 info OS : Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1 (Build 2600)
25/11/2003 16:28:20 info ******************** Report session started ********************

26-11-2003	#1 (permalink)
YaZ CD Freaks Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 115	Championship Manager 0304 + BW 5.02.113 <a href='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a13febf7&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE' target='_blank'><img src='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/avw.php?zoneid=30&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE&n=a13febf7' border='0' alt='' /></a> I've tried using the trial of this to backup the new championship manager 0304 game. Its listed in the protection forum as Securom New and this is exactly what ClonyXXL reported. Thinking that Securom New was OLDER than the 4.8x versions I thought that this should be easy enough to copy. I scanned and burnt this using my LiteOn 52327s but none of the copies I have made will run the game. I have made the following copies: Imaged + burnt with LiteOn 52327s QS0B firmware with BW 5.02.113. Image from QS0B but burnt with QS0C firmware with BW 5.02.113. Imaged + burnt with LiteOn 52327s QS0C firmware with BW 5.02.113. Imaged + Patched + Burnt using LiteOn 52327s QS0C firmware with Alcohol 1.47.1005 + Device drive patch v2.3.3.1022. Anybody got this working?

28-11-2003	#5 (permalink)
genjai CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Here Posts: 384	the server the forum has been hosted at has had a upgrad the last few days, thats why its been some problems could you post a log from bw5 __________________ -gencipher You can reach me on MSN Messenger or by email. Just add gencipher@hotmail.com NEW My BW5 Profiles can be found here Disclaimer: By reading the post above and anything else i write, you agree to not hold me or any of my data or content providers liable for any errors or any actions taken in reliance thereon. Data and information is provided for informational purposes only. I shall not be held liable for any damages or costs of any type arising out of or in any way connected with reading my post or anything else by me.

28-11-2003	#6 (permalink)
YaZ CD Freaks Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 115	http://server4.uploadit.org/files/281103-BW5.Log Full log as I have only used BW for CM 0304 at the moment. I have the following drives that I can use in a different combination for image/burning purposes: Toshiba SD-M 1402 XY14 LiteOn 52327S - QS0C Sony DRU 500AX - 2.0G Last edited by YaZ; 29-11-2003 at 03:09.

28-11-2003	#7 (permalink)
kamikazee Blindwrite Team Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,074	You need to figure out what version of securom it is. Anything before 4.84 does not need to have topology extracted. Get the protection version first. __________________ A simple guide to the BB5 Builder The Original guide to A-Ray scanner How to use a downloaded BWA PhotoDVD How To Blindwrite 5 intro

29-11-2003	#10 (permalink)
YaZ CD Freaks Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 115	I ran the system monitor on ClonyXXL and it picked up SecuROM New > 4.78.XX Is there a log for Clony that will give the full string? or does this mean clony can't read the exact version? Might be worth changing the protection list forum's post to this rather than SecuROM new. Last edited by YaZ; 29-11-2003 at 03:08.

27-11-2003	#2 (permalink)
YaZ CD Freaks Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 115	Any help guys?? I need to give my brother his CD back tomorrow but I haven't got a working copy yet?

28-11-2003	#4 (permalink)
YaZ CD Freaks Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 115	We do own the copy. He bought it from GAME for a rip off price of £29.99 (beh... might as well return it and get it for £18 from amazon). My brother is only upstairs from me but he wants to play the game asap. I usually make a backup for him to use and then keep hold of the original (he's careless with CD's and often ends up scratching them or loosing them in his room).0 Took me ages to be able to get the forums to work just to reply Have they been down recently?

29-11-2003	#11 (permalink)
FutureProof Senior Admin Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: True Blue Posts: 5,606	Scanning Tools __________________ :ÐowN AsS ± ßû(r)NêR: Try our Search function > Words on Netiquette 24, 32, 40 & 52X Liteons, 16, 40, 48 & 52X ASUS', Ricoh MP7163A, Acer 1610A CD writers; Toshiba SD-M1402, Hitachi GD-7500 & Liteon LTD-163D DVD-ROMs; Toshiba SD-R1202 DVD-ROM/CD writer combo; NEC CloneDrive; Matshita DVD RAM/-R/-RW UJ-810 PEBKAC: Click here when asked AXDA3000DKV4D Atlhon 3000+ Model 10 Barton; Twin, Dual-Channeled Corsair CMX512-2700C2 @ 2-3-3-6-T1; GA-7N400 Pro F12; crappy vid card; Twin (base) WD2500JD drives There are two secrets to success: 1) Don't tell everyone everything There are 10 types of people who understand binary: those who do and those who don't Who Are YOU?

29-11-2003	#13 (permalink)
FutureProof Senior Admin Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: True Blue Posts: 5,606	Previous versions of Championship Manager Season 0x/0y have been ProtectCD Championship Manager X is SecuROM. Last one was v-4.84.69 0101 for "4" __________________ :ÐowN AsS ± ßû(r)NêR: Try our Search function > Words on Netiquette 24, 32, 40 & 52X Liteons, 16, 40, 48 & 52X ASUS', Ricoh MP7163A, Acer 1610A CD writers; Toshiba SD-M1402, Hitachi GD-7500 & Liteon LTD-163D DVD-ROMs; Toshiba SD-R1202 DVD-ROM/CD writer combo; NEC CloneDrive; Matshita DVD RAM/-R/-RW UJ-810 PEBKAC: Click here when asked AXDA3000DKV4D Atlhon 3000+ Model 10 Barton; Twin, Dual-Channeled Corsair CMX512-2700C2 @ 2-3-3-6-T1; GA-7N400 Pro F12; crappy vid card; Twin (base) WD2500JD drives There are two secrets to success: 1) Don't tell everyone everything There are 10 types of people who understand binary: those who do and those who don't Who Are YOU?

29-11-2003	#14 (permalink)
YaZ CD Freaks Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 115	It's definately SecuROM but I none of the tools I have tried find the version. Protection ID 4.1 just says it's SecuROM and that's as close as I can get. I've tried looking for the version with a hex editor but I am not sure what I am looking for (not used Hex editor to look before).

29-11-2003	#15 (permalink)
FutureProof Senior Admin Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: True Blue Posts: 5,606	False return? All the previous versions have been ProtectCD. So, any woking copies yet? __________________ :ÐowN AsS ± ßû(r)NêR: Try our Search function > Words on Netiquette 24, 32, 40 & 52X Liteons, 16, 40, 48 & 52X ASUS', Ricoh MP7163A, Acer 1610A CD writers; Toshiba SD-M1402, Hitachi GD-7500 & Liteon LTD-163D DVD-ROMs; Toshiba SD-R1202 DVD-ROM/CD writer combo; NEC CloneDrive; Matshita DVD RAM/-R/-RW UJ-810 PEBKAC: Click here when asked AXDA3000DKV4D Atlhon 3000+ Model 10 Barton; Twin, Dual-Channeled Corsair CMX512-2700C2 @ 2-3-3-6-T1; GA-7N400 Pro F12; crappy vid card; Twin (base) WD2500JD drives There are two secrets to success: 1) Don't tell everyone everything There are 10 types of people who understand binary: those who do and those who don't Who Are YOU?

29-11-2003	#16 (permalink)
YaZ CD Freaks Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 115	Not yet. I will try another attempt tomorrow. Damn Project Gotham 2 tooo distracting

01-12-2003	#17 (permalink)
YaZ CD Freaks Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 115	How much of an affect would be the media quality on the backups of a secuROM new 4.84.xx game? Everybody strives to get a good BWA/Topology extraction but, when burning, does the quality/refectiveness of the media affect the reading of the "wobbles"?? I know that to some extent that media will always play a part in the backup's quality. I have made all of my attempts to burn CM0304 using: Datawrite 40x Silver Premium by Datasafe. Drive Type = CD-RW Disc Type = CDR Material = Cyanine Lead In = 97:15:12 Lead Out = 79:59:73 Nominal Capacity = 702.83MB Manufacturer Maybe = RiTEK,S Smart-Burn Speed Limit = 52X(Write) I also have some 48x Taiyo Yuden media that I have yet to use in an attempt at a working backup. Drive Type = CD-RW Disc Type = CDR Material = Cyanine Lead In = 97:24:01 Lead Out = 79:59:72 Nominal Capacity = 702.83MB Manufacturer Maybe = Taiyoyuden,DX Dye Smart-Burn Speed Limit = 52X(Write)

01-12-2003	#18 (permalink)
FutureProof Senior Admin Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: True Blue Posts: 5,606	Is topology extraction occurring? Can you post a log? __________________ :ÐowN AsS ± ßû(r)NêR: Try our Search function > Words on Netiquette 24, 32, 40 & 52X Liteons, 16, 40, 48 & 52X ASUS', Ricoh MP7163A, Acer 1610A CD writers; Toshiba SD-M1402, Hitachi GD-7500 & Liteon LTD-163D DVD-ROMs; Toshiba SD-R1202 DVD-ROM/CD writer combo; NEC CloneDrive; Matshita DVD RAM/-R/-RW UJ-810 PEBKAC: Click here when asked AXDA3000DKV4D Atlhon 3000+ Model 10 Barton; Twin, Dual-Channeled Corsair CMX512-2700C2 @ 2-3-3-6-T1; GA-7N400 Pro F12; crappy vid card; Twin (base) WD2500JD drives There are two secrets to success: 1) Don't tell everyone everything There are 10 types of people who understand binary: those who do and those who don't Who Are YOU?

01-12-2003	#19 (permalink)
YaZ CD Freaks Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 115	I've post a url above for the full log of BW5 (only installed and used it with CM0304 so far). Here it is:http://server4.uploadit.org/files/281103-BW5.Log Here is the first log from BW5 of my first attempt to copy it. 25/11/2003 16:47:04 info ****************** Report session closed ***************** 25/11/2003 16:46:28 info Write completed in 01:19 25/11/2003 16:46:19 info Finalize started 25/11/2003 16:45:10 info Write started 25/11/2003 16:45:10 info Buffer Under-run protection is enabled 25/11/2003 16:45:10 info Media topology will be embedded in Autoplay 25/11/2003 16:45:10 info Backup tagged for Autoplay 25/11/2003 16:45:10 info DAO PW writing mode selected 25/11/2003 16:45:10 info Writing speed required x372, effective x52 25/11/2003 16:45:09 info DAO writing mode preferred 25/11/2003 16:45:09 info Writing CD-ROM Disc [CM0304] - Image Size 244 Mb. 25/11/2003 16:45:09 info Writing device : 1:0:0 - LITE-ON LTR-52327S QS0B [G] (Ide) 25/11/2003 16:44:35 info Topology extraction completed in 02:19 25/11/2003 16:42:16 info Topology: x8 Read required, x8 selected 25/11/2003 16:42:16 info Topology extraction started 25/11/2003 16:42:16 info Extraction successful in 01:22 25/11/2003 16:42:16 info 1 sectors fixed between LBA 104181 and 104181 25/11/2003 16:40:54 info Free Space on destination path 23.8 Gb. 25/11/2003 16:40:54 info Reading CD-ROM Disc [CM0304] - Image Size 244 Mb. 25/11/2003 16:40:54 info Read data with subcodes PW for track 1 25/11/2003 16:40:53 info Reading device : 1:0:0 - LITE-ON LTR-52327S QS0B [G] (Ide) 25/11/2003 16:40:53 info Extraction started 25/11/2003 16:39:06 info Using Patin-Couffin driver Version 1.16, Internal revision 16 25/11/2003 16:39:06 info Autoplay driver active. Version 4 25/11/2003 16:39:06 info ParamStr 0 = "C:\Program Files\vso\BlindWrite5\BW.exe" 25/11/2003 16:39:06 info User default language : 2057 (0x0809h) - English (United Kingdom) 25/11/2003 16:39:06 info System default language : 2057 (0x0809h) - English (United Kingdom) 25/11/2003 16:39:06 info Version 5.0.2.113 25/11/2003 16:39:06 info Title : BlindWrite 5.0.2.113 25/11/2003 16:39:06 info ExeName : "C:\Program Files\vso\BlindWrite5\BW.exe" 25/11/2003 16:39:06 info OS : Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1 (Build 2600) 25/11/2003 16:39:06 info **************** Report session started **************** 25/11/2003 16:34:16 info **************** Report session closed ***************** 25/11/2003 16:33:44 info Using Patin-Couffin driver Version 1.16, Internal revision 16 25/11/2003 16:33:44 info Autoplay driver active. Version 4 25/11/2003 16:33:43 info ParamStr 0 = "C:\Program Files\vso\BlindWrite5\BW.exe" 25/11/2003 16:33:43 info User default language : 2057 (0x0809h) - English (United Kingdom) 25/11/2003 16:33:43 info System default language : 2057 (0x0809h) - English (United Kingdom) 25/11/2003 16:33:43 info Version 5.0.2.113 25/11/2003 16:33:43 info Title : BlindWrite 5.0.2.113 25/11/2003 16:33:43 info ExeName : "C:\Program Files\vso\BlindWrite5\BW.exe" 25/11/2003 16:33:43 info OS : Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1 (Build 2600) 25/11/2003 16:33:43 info **************** Report session started **************** 25/11/2003 16:28:43 info **************** Report session closed ***************** 25/11/2003 16:28:20 info Using Patin-Couffin driver Version 1.16, Internal revision 16 25/11/2003 16:28:20 info Autoplay driver active. Version 4 25/11/2003 16:28:20 info ParamStr 0 = "C:\Program Files\vso\BlindWrite5\BW.exe" 25/11/2003 16:28:20 info User default language : 2057 (0x0809h) - English (United Kingdom) 25/11/2003 16:28:20 info System default language : 2057 (0x0809h) - English (United Kingdom) 25/11/2003 16:28:20 info Version 5.0.2.113 25/11/2003 16:28:20 info Title : BlindWrite 5.0.2.113 25/11/2003 16:28:20 info ExeName : "C:\Program Files\vso\BlindWrite5\BW.exe" 25/11/2003 16:28:20 info OS : Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1 (Build 2600) 25/11/2003 16:28:20 info **************** Report session started ******************

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