SF3 It is already defeated - Club CDFreaks

wersachi · 23-12-2003

Last version Alcohol 120 v1.4.8.1222 without problems copies this protection
game is started from a virtual drive (power off your physical drive)

theEye · 23-12-2003

I wouldn't call 'power off you physical drives' a solution...

*R!Co* · 23-12-2003

So Mr. theEye if you don't find this solution find better !

theEye · 23-12-2003

solution: buying the game

ghost_zero5 · 23-12-2003

That problem is only for the virtual drives...

for RMPS-emulation this problem should not exists... except you try to run the game from a SCSI-drive an have an IDE-drive too...
because that gets checked....

Btw. for that problem that you need to unplug every IDE-drive if you want to use virtual drives they know a solution for it but need to implement it...

ghost_zero5 · 23-12-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by theEye
solution: buying the game

one question... this won't change anything....
if you use original disc in SCSI-drive and have an IDE-drive too, it won't work in the SCSI-drive... no matter what ...
btw. what is this for a solution... to backup a game... buy another game... that is the most stupid idea for a backup I have heard yet.

theEye · 23-12-2003

should I have said 'buy your _own_ copy of that game' ?

would you really unplug _all_ your ide drives just for playing from your image?

ghost_zero5 · 23-12-2003

no... and as said they know already a solution for that and probably will include it(soon)...
btw. making a backup as siad is no problem... only virtual drive is a problem... RMPS emulation should work perfect.

wersachi · 24-12-2003

When you use RMPS emulation SF sees it and does not start a disk

Scorbut · 24-12-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by ghost_zero5
btw. making a backup as siad is no problem...

yeah but if you can't burn it back what's the point

sure you do have a backup but useless :/

ghost_zero5 · 24-12-2003

btw. what do you mean by buring it back?

making a backup of the backup... why should it not work... it works... and even if not... have you ever thought of using the backup until the backup gets destroyed and leaving the original untouched?

But anyway... you are able to burn discs with RMPS... you only need to copy them as a NormalCD... when you have RMPS-emulation deactivated...

wersachi · 24-12-2003

What problem?

It is necessary to use RMPS-emulation or it is not necessary?

When you use RMPS emulation SF sees it and does not start a disk - at you other results?

Scorbut · 24-12-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by ghost_zero5
btw. what do you mean by buring it back?

making a backup of the backup... why should it not work... it works... and even if not... have you ever thought of using the backup until the backup gets destroyed and leaving the original untouched?

But anyway... you are able to burn discs with RMPS... you only need to copy them as a NormalCD... when you have RMPS-emulation deactivated...

I mean for now all we can do is make an image of a SF3 game
but you can't burn this image and be sure it works 100%

get the idea ?

or maybe I missed something here, in this case plz enlight me

wersachi · 24-12-2003

If you can not write an image how you will recognize, what it works?

Scorbut · 24-12-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by wersachi
If you can not write an image how you will recognize, what it works?

....

'cause when unplugging IDE drives and mouting it into Alcohol 1.4.8, it does work.

so my guess is that the backup is correct.

can be wrong tho...

and since you seem to be able to copy SF3 games, why not share the infos w/ us ?

wersachi · 24-12-2003

I knew it

Scorbut · 24-12-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by wersachi
I knew it

?

ghost_zero5 · 24-12-2003

no...

I meant that you are now able to make a perfect copy of StarForce 3 using RMPS-emulation - You can be sure that it works 100%, only possibility when it doesn't work is if RMPS-emulation gets blacklisted, but that is the same for Securom.
Btw. RMPS-emulation was made so that it doesn't get seen... at least currently.

Scorbut · 24-12-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by ghost_zero5
You can be sure that it works 100%

PM sent...it's important so plz plz answer

wersachi · 24-12-2003

ghost_zero5

You have copied any game (SF3), using RMPS-emulation?

ghost_zero5 · 26-12-2003

no...

I only know from what I heard during beta test for this retail version....

Normally it should work by simply using the StarForce 1/2/3-Profile for reading and writing.

wersachi · 26-12-2003

if @no@ - what for you write about it?

The theory and practice - different things

p.s. but i used CD-RW a drive (i do not know result with CD-ROM drive)

ghost_zero5 · 27-12-2003

@wersachi:

I know that theory and practice are not the same.... THAT IS WHY I ALWAYS SAID SHOULD!!!!!
NO one said something explicity against this here... they always only talked about virtual drives... Btw. the backup need to be put - like the original - into and IDE-drive if you have IDE-drives on your computer.

If it doesn't work for you with the StarForce 1/2/3-profile and RMPS-Emulation on then tell me... so I can tell Alcohol-developer. Tell me then also which reader and which writer you used and which game.

Scorbut · 27-12-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by ghost_zero5
If it doesn't work for you with the StarForce 1/2/3-profile and RMPS-Emulation on then tell me... so I can tell Alcohol-developer. Tell me then also which reader and which writer you used and which game.

ok here we go then

not working

using LG CGE (or GCE) 8400B as burner
tried LG DVD as reader, and burner as reader, not working

go figure

ghost_zero5 · 29-12-2003

@Scorbut:

I have information for you (from Alcohol-author):

Quote:

Regarding StarForce 3, you have to remove all IDE devices to run that game, becaus SF3 access IDE port without any SYSTEM access, RMPS won't work if you put disc in IDE device. There are only one way to have this game ran: disconnect all IDE CD/DVD devices, then you play games via:
1. Use virtual drive with image files
2. Use external drive (USB/1394), or internal drive (SCSI)

I know it sucks, but there is nothing to do with this SF3 problem.

Now I know why StarForce 3 only allows IDE-drives... because there they can access them directly which means the bypass any emulation.
This is not good...

23-12-2003	#1 (permalink)
wersachi CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: moscow Posts: 81	SF3 It is already defeated <a href='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a13febf7&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE' target='_blank'><img src='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/avw.php?zoneid=30&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE&n=a13febf7' border='0' alt='' /></a> Last version Alcohol 120 v1.4.8.1222 without problems copies this protection game is started from a virtual drive (power off your physical drive)

23-12-2003	#3 (permalink)
R!Co A-Ray Software Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: That is a Secret Posts: 611	So Mr. theEye if you don't find this solution find better ! __________________ One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.

23-12-2003	#7 (permalink)
theEye CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Germany - NRW - Hamm Posts: 353	should I have said 'buy your _own_ copy of that game' ? would you really unplug _all_ your ide drives just for playing from your image? Last edited by theEye; 23-12-2003 at 20:28.

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23-12-2003	#2 (permalink)
theEye CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Germany - NRW - Hamm Posts: 353	I wouldn't call 'power off you physical drives' a solution...

23-12-2003	#4 (permalink)
theEye CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Germany - NRW - Hamm Posts: 353	solution: buying the game

23-12-2003	#5 (permalink)
ghost_zero5 Co-Author of Alcoholer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 320	That problem is only for the virtual drives... for RMPS-emulation this problem should not exists... except you try to run the game from a SCSI-drive an have an IDE-drive too... because that gets checked.... Btw. for that problem that you need to unplug every IDE-drive if you want to use virtual drives they know a solution for it but need to implement it...

23-12-2003	#8 (permalink)
ghost_zero5 Co-Author of Alcoholer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 320	no... and as said they know already a solution for that and probably will include it(soon)... btw. making a backup as siad is no problem... only virtual drive is a problem... RMPS emulation should work perfect.

24-12-2003	#9 (permalink)
wersachi CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: moscow Posts: 81	When you use RMPS emulation SF sees it and does not start a disk

24-12-2003	#11 (permalink)
ghost_zero5 Co-Author of Alcoholer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 320	btw. what do you mean by buring it back? making a backup of the backup... why should it not work... it works... and even if not... have you ever thought of using the backup until the backup gets destroyed and leaving the original untouched? But anyway... you are able to burn discs with RMPS... you only need to copy them as a NormalCD... when you have RMPS-emulation deactivated...

24-12-2003	#12 (permalink)
wersachi CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: moscow Posts: 81	What problem? It is necessary to use RMPS-emulation or it is not necessary? When you use RMPS emulation SF sees it and does not start a disk - at you other results?

24-12-2003	#14 (permalink)
wersachi CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: moscow Posts: 81	If you can not write an image how you will recognize, what it works?

24-12-2003	#16 (permalink)
wersachi CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: moscow Posts: 81	I knew it

24-12-2003	#18 (permalink)
ghost_zero5 Co-Author of Alcoholer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 320	no... I meant that you are now able to make a perfect copy of StarForce 3 using RMPS-emulation - You can be sure that it works 100%, only possibility when it doesn't work is if RMPS-emulation gets blacklisted, but that is the same for Securom. Btw. RMPS-emulation was made so that it doesn't get seen... at least currently.

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24-12-2003	#20 (permalink)
wersachi CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: moscow Posts: 81	ghost_zero5 You have copied any game (SF3), using RMPS-emulation?

26-12-2003	#21 (permalink)
ghost_zero5 Co-Author of Alcoholer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 320	no... I only know from what I heard during beta test for this retail version.... Normally it should work by simply using the StarForce 1/2/3-Profile for reading and writing.

26-12-2003	#22 (permalink)
wersachi CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: moscow Posts: 81	if @no@ - what for you write about it? The theory and practice - different things p.s. but i used CD-RW a drive (i do not know result with CD-ROM drive)

27-12-2003	#23 (permalink)
ghost_zero5 Co-Author of Alcoholer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 320	@wersachi: I know that theory and practice are not the same.... THAT IS WHY I ALWAYS SAID SHOULD!!!!! NO one said something explicity against this here... they always only talked about virtual drives... Btw. the backup need to be put - like the original - into and IDE-drive if you have IDE-drives on your computer. If it doesn't work for you with the StarForce 1/2/3-profile and RMPS-Emulation on then tell me... so I can tell Alcohol-developer. Tell me then also which reader and which writer you used and which game.