Does anybody knows what protection this game has?
Does anybody made a working copy?

When I scan it with clony it says I/O error.

i dont have the game but sure if clonyxxl cant find protection .. you can use protection id ..or even yats to find the protection


here is the link

http://cdmediaworld.com/hardware/cdrom/cd_utils.shtml

found it copy protection on normal site says its protection is cd checks

Thanx for the info.

Note this strange problem.
I have the original cd and is playable only in win9x.
In winxp when I start the game it says insert the original cd.

Nice protection then, give it back to the seller

hey I had problem exactly like that with the orginal .... .two things ..happen on two different machines .... of mine ... one was old blindwrite file was on it ...and the second machine ..it was using nividia chipset ..I had to rollback to original Microsoft drivers ..I could not use the updated ones ...

is your board nivida chipset board ?

Well I scanned the cd with the "protection Id" and it is cd-check.

I work on a computer shop and I had the chance to install the game on 5-6 different computers. On windows xp the game does not start even if it is radeon or nvidia. None of them had blindwrite.

I bought the game from the shop I work so I have to give it back to my boss but I don't think I will get a refund from our supplier. Trust me on this one.

At the moment I'm searching for a nocd patch to play my original game.

The conclusion is that this game is very well copy protected, so much that you can't play the original.

no cd patch is illegal and cant be discussed in this forum ...


as far as nivdia chipset i meant motherboard ...I would roll back mother board drivers to Microsoft ones .. I have seen it happen too many times ... the IDE drivers

I work for major company in US with computers and in spare time i help boys at a shop in town

Well, no one of the pcs had nvidia chipset. Mine is 875 and the others intel too.

as far the patch I know it is illegal and I don't request something like that.

I hope wanadoo company will release an official patch soon to correct the probem.

i would still try converting back to Microsoft IDE drivers ..

also did you put on safedisc patch for windows xp ..that help me in lots of games ...

Pro beach soccer is protected with Ring Protech 2. (Spanish version)
As a Wanadoo game, it'sexpected to be protected with it. And it is a very difficult game to clone.... no way with a Toshiba SD-R5002 or a PLextor 2410A. Only partial copy success reading and burning with "disappeared" cloneCD and my Plextor. Copy only plays from my plex.

Good luck!

Yep, nearly all Wannadoo games use Ring Protech and for many people they're a pain in the butt to copy.

Some people have no particular problems (luckily I'm one ) whilst others (who have similar equipment and who do know what they're doing) can't get their copies to work or, like Morglum007, only have partial success.

What's more, results vary from game to game for some people for no apparent reason (e.g. many people who had no problems with Iron Storm can't get a working copy of Haegemonia).

Best apps to try are CloneCD (best for this protection) and alcohol.

With alcohol, just use Ring Protech datatype settings.

With CloneCD, use a custom profile:
- Read: FES on, IBSS (500) on, everything else off.
- Write: Everything else off.

Good luck.

Iron Storm....no problem.....Haegemonia...no way ( perfect copy)
In general, i'm unable to get a valid copy of any Ring Protech 2 copy-protected CD. ( I 've tried almost every burning program in inet without success with almost every combination of configurations.....custom includeD)
With Safedisc v2.9, i wasn't again able to get play with any program, when i own a 3 sheep burner (Even DJ: in this case Pre Gap is perfectly written, but weak sector fails: mathematical calculations verifying the fingerprint fails 8 of 10 tries, one works, and the last, windows crashes due a "kernel panic" verifying it)
but this is very curious, VOB and Protect CD seems to be ALWAYS perfectly burned with Alcohol......

I have tested some things and something very curious has been revealed. ASPI controlers, Coufin ones and the particular ones used by each programs have something to do TO CHECK the PROTECTION.
Recently i had a windows funny thing ( and who have not had it sometime). I was "ripping" DVD9 to DVD5 and was extracting with Smartripper ( i know....AnyDVD). Due a windows "crash" (windows was very unstable) almost EVERY game was correcly played, and the copy-protection were passed. Looking in the Smartripper program, the ASPI mode was blocked and was extracting in some strange way. ASPI were blocked -----> no way to rip a DVD anymore. Until Windows were formated, any game passed and played correctly.
Could not redo such situation because it were after a light shutdown when extracting a DVD.
Have something more but by now i prefer to guard something in secret.

Good luck and sorry for my poor english ( i'm quite sleepy..xD)

Generally, most protections use their own drivers to communicate with the cdrom. So if one aspi layer is screwed up, then protections shuold still work.

I suppose in the extreme case if windows got completely screwed up, and all access was blocked to cdrom, then your situation might be possible. In this case, you wouldn't be able to access a cdrom at all. However, I think that protections assume that cd is not in drive, and try to check if it is (it's called pesimistic checking i think). So if it can't read from a cdrom, it assumes cd ain't there.

Hm, didn't mean to make this so long, lol

Interesting stuff, as always, Morglum007 .

As for Ring Protech, do you know the difference/s between v. 1 and v. 2? So far as I can tell, all Ring Protech games just have the visible ring (containing ~3.000 consecutive unreadable sectors) cut around the outer part of the cd (about 97% - 98% through the reading process). [No need for a protection scanner to identify this one. ]

There is some difference though. In your case, you had no problems with Iron Storm but haven't been able to make a fully working copy of Haegemonia. In my case, I was able to make a fully working copy of Haegemonia with both CloneCD and alcohol. However, discdump (read with laserlock mode)/fireburner (write using dao16) that worked with Iron Storm failed with Haegemonia so there is obviously some difference.

As for your findings/results with sd 2.9, perhaps you might post them in the technical forum as spath or one of the other techies who spends time there may be able to shed some light on the issues you've raised.

[Btw, don't worry about your English; it's a hell of a lot better than my non-existant Spanish. ]

Ummm, first, thanks Phil.
I will try to reply to some of your questions.
To begin, i would like to say that i'm not programmer,informatic or something like (studing engineering) so i can get missed with some code stuff. In the other way i have a lot of experience with programs and copyprotections and know a bit indeed of protections code. The way i am studying makes me to get some conclusions about, but i'm not a ummmm, call it an expert so i'm not to the level to post in the technical forum...

Secondly, the way i detect a protection is more a library task than an expert one. I look in every page i could find and study results from people than obviosly knows what they are doing. Then, i apply such results to my experience. I have access to almost, every game spent here in Spain and then i enjoy a lot testing protections. Call it a "freaky".

In the case of Ring protech, i remember my first game protected with it, and was haegemonia (that i couldn't copy..so iron storm does not compite). I looked and looked till found a russian web.
In this part i don't want to be confussed. I study from a lot of ways. Here in CDFreaks learn a lot about Phisics and basements of the copyprotections, but you really learn a lot by studing about cracking. I don't want to be confused, i repeat, it's only part of my knowledge( i mix both). So, after identify it were Ring protech 2 i tested timing access to the CD, access to the REALLY copyprotection (SF for example, checks in this order: black listing,Pre Gap and weak sectors with ATIP interleaved: Weak sector verifications spend a lot of time so ATIP is checked between the weak sector secuence)with my different equipment and something more with different tools (lenght of different tracks if available, common points in generic checks and so on) Ring protech 2 differs from the first version in the time checking the protection and what it check(First only checks unreadable border, second checks more). While in the first version where quite fast, in this second it take a lot more ( about 3 to 5 seconds comparing 1-2 of the first ( with my equipment)) In the other way, newest versions have some dummy file that, in my opinion always were cut by the visible ring. This could ummm call it "confuse" the reader when reading in ASPI mode, but not in RAW. A good correcting unit could make a non perfect copy to be run ( my plextor) but a very good correcting unit will always fail (my both toshiba)(worst unit will fail too).

I think (opinion) that the edges of the ring do not match with a fingerprint that can be coded into a 32 bit key, then in two of 64.......(like safedisc works) but a check point. Real lead-out does not match with fake one, and the real one is (almost always:Haegemonia does not match if i remember correctly) before the read errors. In conclusion: Ring tries to hide the lead-out: an easy finding of the end makes a good copy to be detected whilst a "dirty"one will not. (Glass of the polycarbonate may help)
This can be obviosly wrong but is my point of view as yet.

To reply to the blocked ASPI, ASPI were blocked enouth to avoid the CSS decrypting, but not completely. This way i could not decrypt any DVD (obviosly could not view such disc on my PC with PowerDVD ( for example)) but i was able to have access to my CD/DVD drives. When trying to decrypt/play...... windows blue screen (smartripper, powerDVD, cloneDVD....)
In the other hand, Alcohol, Clone and so on were not affected: it also read in a "bonzoo" mode.
Have some more thought about another protections but i think this is enough for today.

Sorry to get too boring to say little things.Thanks for the reading.

BTW: Phil....about Ring protech again....It's not a CONSECUTIVE unreadable errors. This is other of the things i want to say. Seems to be consecutive but very strange "junk" sectors are valid and readable into the ring(plextor does not detect it...both toshiba do). Another thing: the CD ends in that 98%. This "fake"2% is the key of the protection. This is other of my tests

bfc i've made a working copy, but, there is just a little problem, the game in my computer is very slow, the game as an error , i don't know what's going on...

Can you help me? Is there any patch who fix that?

And what error is that????

The error is that the game is very slow, when we move, 10 seconds later he moves... Nobody knows where can I get a fix or something? Is that this isn't the firts computer where the game has an error.

What's the specs of your computer?

The "specs"? What is specs? I'm Portuguese, i don't know the meaning of specs....

The meaning of "SPECS" for your PC means what Hardware are
currently installed, what operating system are you currently using ,are you running AMD or INTEL Hopefully this makes it
a lot clearer.

Ivanhoe...

Specs stand for specifications. What hardware/software combination your computer has...

Uh...... that explains everything...