In the US versions of Alochol 120, the Bypass EFM error is not available. is there anyway around this. I also have the latest copy of CLoneCD and found a crack that enables the hide media option.
Can this be done for a US version of Alcohol 120?

grumpynick welcome to the forum

*Just Hemi being drunk blind here*

That's illegal. You can't use that option is US, and don't aks us to tell you how to do.

Oh,.. how the hell did i see AWS and CCD there? My vision is getting blary after all - maybe Mr B is right about my eye!!!

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well, i'm an american (a floridian too) and i can access it. i just went to control panel, regional and language options, and changed my location to canada. i was also sure to change the default settings from metric measurement. oh yeah, it required a reinstall of alcohol for it to take.

i didn't consult my attorney first but i believe i can set my system up any way i want to.

Yea, my Arkansas computer thinks it Canadian too.

Doesn't it seem quite useless to disable these options for American users when they can easily change the regional setting to another country? I know these companies are trying to save themselves from legal trouble, but I have never heard of CloneCD or Blindwrite(or the like) getting sued by antipiracy groups.

at the moment the only countries i am aware of that are limited are the us and japan. and once again vio_man is correct in that clone and bw also limit functionality for these regional settings. there are those that believe that it isn't really illegal in these countries either but currently none of the developers are willing to take the risk. perhaps someone with more of a legal background can enlighten us regarding this.

Thanks for the heads up netman. The las time I installed XP, I did for the USA because of the region killer patch for CloneCD. I guess my computer will be moving to Canada.

No you may not , you have accepted the license agreements when you installed your system. Or did your operating system came without a license agreement ? Since i never saw an Alcohol 120% program that uses other operating systems than Microsoft's i don't think so.

On top of that :
Can you give me a sane reason why you use your own licensed program illegally and even encourage people not to live by the law in the country they live in ?

You do know , if i were a model american citizen i should now report you to the justical department of Florida.

Developers take no risk , you Mr Netman .. aim for luck.

This thread stays closed until I reopen it a bit later with some elaboration/amplifying advice

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first i would like to say that, as a former custom business application developer, i have always guarded my intellectual property fiercely and i deeply respect that of all others. piracy is stealing from hard-working programmers and it drives up the cost of software for us all. i own licenses for all the software on my machine at home and all of my machines in my company are completely legal.

as for my windows license agreement, microsoft has no problem at all with the way i set up my personal machine. i have paid them tens of thousands of dollars for software licenses over the years as well as quite a bit for certifications. this is how i make my living and they are entitled to their money same as i am. i haven't exactly read the license agreement lately but i have to install xp on about a dozen machines monday and i'll search through it to see if it requires me to set the region as us.

now let's talk the politics of the digital millenium copyright act. this is a contrivance of a bunch of techologically ignorant politicians who were acting on behalf of a bunch of well-paid lobbyists for the movie and music recording industries. it is considered by many to be unconstitutional and ineffective. it really doesn't help the industry reduce piracy at all. i don't really care if us law states whether i can make a legitimate backup of my software or not, i'm going to do it anyway. we have lost way too many of our civil liberties in the last 25 years and i'm not willing to give up any more than i'm forced to. the dmca and the ridiculous post 9/11 'patriot' act are perfect examples.

you ask for a 'sane reason' for setting my machine up as i have. i have to test alcohol and other software and therefore i need access to its full functionality. i know that grumpynick doesn't have this same reason but i believe that anyone who purchases software should be able to use it fully for legal purposes. restrictions such as this only serve to hinder honest citizens and not the warez pirates for which they are targeted, just like gun laws do not keep criminals from obtaining guns.

and you should know that i have absolutely no use for 'model american citizens' or the 'politically correct'. they have no right to expect me to live by their beliefs and not my own. after all, that's what america is all about, isn't it? if you wish to report me to the authorities then feel free to do so. they know where i live. they also know that if they intend to come for me that they should make sure their affairs are in order, they have kissed their wives and children goodbye, and put on their body armor.

to conclude i wish to apologize for responding to this thread in the first place. i am aware of the rules here and your strict interpretation of them. you have every right to run this forum however you see fit and i will not respond to 'marginal' issues like this again in the open forum.

Never knew it was illegal to tell my computer a lie. While it is illegal for Alcohol and CloneCD to include these options in the software for America and Japan, is it also illegal for me to tell my computer that it is Canadian? LOL.....

OK everyone be .

There's nothing illegal about using language and regional settings other than those of the country you live in. If, for example, I lived in Japan, you can rest assured my language settings would still be set for Australian english (japanese wouldn't be a whole lot of use to me ).

If, by doing so, program options that are disabled in some countries become available, so what?

Now, whether it is legal to use those options in the countries where they normally would be disabled, is another question and, and, not being an expert on US copyright law, I offer no opinion on the point.

However, I do know that the question of whether AWS/Bypass efm error is legal or not in the US has never been tested in the courts. Understandably, neither olli nor the alcohol team have been willing to risk financial ruin by taking on the protection giants (Macrovision, Sony et al ) in the US courts.

In these circumstances, it seems to me that whether or not an individual user chooses to use these options in the US is a matter for them. Whether or not they are breaking the laws of their country by doing so is an open question.

Thank you Phil.
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