Can alcohol 120% make a copy of the very new securom ?

I've tried with the profile for securom 4x but the backup is just spining.

Is there any guide or something to help bakcup hitman2 with alcohol or I must use BW?

Thanks

Alcohol at this time can not make a physical copy of a Securom 4.8xx game without some third party support. It CAN emulate a image made of a Securom 4.8xx game, and quite well I might add. If you want to burn a copy of a Securom 4.8xx game using Alcohol you will need Blindwrite's BWA builder and a copy of Blackcheck's Twinpeaks program.

BTW- with securom *supersupernew* (NOLF 2 version 1.0.0.2) Alcohol 120 cant even EMULATE the game

(alcohol 120 got blacklisted, so you have to use daemon tools to play it, but that will work until a new version of alcohol 120 comes out that is not blacklisted)

sorry for my poor english

what do you mean by "Alcohol was blacklisted ",
how does it works??

and if it got blacklisted, what sholuld I do?
Can I just uninstall it???

I know Twinpeaks
but what is "Blackcheck's Twinpeaks program"??

sorry Lots of things I don't understand.....

1. The copy protection checks (at start) if there is Alcohol installed on your PC. If it detects Alcohol, the mounted image (game) won´t start.
So you say Alcohol is blacklisted ... You have to wait for a newer version of alcohol, which isn´t blacklisted anymore.

2. The same. Blackcheck is the creator of Twinpeak and he discovered how to fool securom supernew..

all you need is blindwrite and use the BWA builder supplied. It works

just use alcohol for SD and BW for SecuRom, isn´t it?

Next Alcohol version (not released yet), will have a feature similar to BlindWrite's AutoPlay

But for SecuROM you need BW installed on your comp, otherwise it doesn't work. Am I right or not, because I really have no idea any more.

I hope there will be a version (CloneCD/BlindWrite-Read/Alcohol/etc) which can make a copy what doesn't need any program to be installed. Is this maybe the Twinpeaks method?

Twinpeacks method has been blacklisted and doesn't work with securom 4.84
A 1:1 copy, that doesn't require any software installed CAN'T BE DONE, because the securom>4.77 and Vob protect cd v5 use special media that there aren't on the merket, so you have to emulate!

Well the alcohol virtual drive in the current official release was blacklisted in that version.

However, I'm not convinced yet that the twinpeak method has been.

New alcohol isn't blacklisted
It can also burn securom 4.8x

Yep, latest version of alcohol released today can burn securom supernew successfully but alcohol does have to be installed on the system for the back-up copy to work.

In this respect it's similar to blindwrite's autoplay function so it's not a true working copy, of course. However, I can confirm that this new feature works and works well.

anyone knows if a backup of a SecuRom *Supernew* protected game using alcohol , will work with new game patches? (may new SecuRom update )

Yes, it's working with latest game patches

2 more questions:

1) Is it possible from Sony to blacklist alcohol's emulation ?

2) Can a copy of a bakcup be made?

1. Yes, it's very probable that upcoming SecuROM versions will blacklist the current Alcohol emulation. However, there's always a way to bypass the blacklisting, as Venom386 prooved with Daemon-Tools.

2. I'm not 100% sure, but I think so, as no physical protection is burned, but as I said I'm not 100% sure. You should ask this question at the Alcohol's official forum.

Just for the record, Blindwrite (v4.2.4 at least) made a backup of NOLF2 that works after being patched to 1.2 which is Securom 4.84 protected *without* any emulation etc.

I used a Liteon 24102B for read and write.

That's because you used the AutoPlay feature

you cant make a 1:1 copy of securom 4.8
you always have to emulate.

so you have BW running in the background, else it will NOT work.
try your back-up on a system with no back-up software installed.
you'll see that "suddenly" your back-up dont work anymore

@ vio_man & Maelstrom

The copy made by ProfessorX is almost certainly a twinpeak copy that will work on many systems without autoplay or any other form of emulation.

I have back-up copies of 3 securom 4.8 titles, all made with the twinpeak method (though not with blindwrite which I do not currently have on my system), and all of which both install and run from the copies on my system and those of my children without any form of emulation.

philamber: They're working for now. But if you update them, the latest SecuROM's versions are blacklisting the Twinpeak method. We need to think into the future, that's why Alcohol never supported the Twinpeak method.

dont think the twin peaks method is good on longer terms
it works for now, but if sony update the securom protection tomorow it wont work anymore.

Future blacklisting by an upgrade patch is a risk with any copying method irrespective of the protection used.

The most recent example is with Battlefield 1942 originally protected with sd 2.6. After upgrading the protection was also updated to 2.8 and many people's back-up copies no longer worked. (Mine still does but, of course, like virtually all my safedisc back-up copies that I actually keep, it was made with the discdump/fireburner method that works for sd 2.8 too.)

If sony has successfully blacklisted the twinpeak method with its latest versions (which is doubtful as there are mixed reports on this), you don't seriously believe that it won't attempt to blacklist RMPS emulation too.

As for the reason for alcohol not supporting the twinpeak method officially, I doubt that you're correct as I believe that MarTinX was more concerned with the legality of the twinpeak method than its utility. However, as to his reasons, which may well be mixed (e.g. legal issues, success or otherwise of method is hardware dependant, potential for future blacklisting, etc.), well you'll have to ask him.

look, I installed the game, and patched, on a machine that hasn't got any blindwrite, alcohol, deamon tools etc. on it and it still played from both a normal cd plus a dvd drive; 'nuff said!

If noone believes me then that only to my advantage.