Hi all

Some of you would know that Madagascar uses Macrovisions new (and completely useles) RipGuard which is meant to prevent ripping (emphasise "meant").

I use clonedvd2 and anydvd (purchased and registered). Clonedvd 2 has no problems reading the original without a problem, but writing is a different story. If the write speed is higher than 4x for RipGuard, the burn fails at around the 50% mark.

Why does does the burn speed get affected when the original disc was read perfectly? How does RipGuard cause high speed burn failures?

Rodney

It doesn't. The error your getting is more likely to do with lower quality media that you're burning to than the content. Many people have burned that movie at high speeds with no problems.

Hi

Again, its nothing to do with the media (TDK DVD-R new range), its to do with RipGuard as it has an unusual file system. When burning at high speeds, this file system affects the writing and ends up failing.

Even slysoft admitted its to do with the RipGuard file system, and obviously affects burning at high speeds.

Rodney

Where, exactly, did Slysoft say that it affected write speeds? There is no ripguard file system, it's simply a copy protection similar in nature to ArCCOS. AnyDVD removes that protection when you rip it to your hard drive or use CloneDVD to make a copy. The files you burn do not include the ripguard protection as it's already been removed. Therefore there is no way for the content to interfere with the write speed in any way.

I got an email from Slysoft (they should know something since they make the software) indicating that RipGuard is not only a protection system, its a file system, and obviously even though i choose not to have it, it still somehow interferes when writing at higher than 4x.

The media and hardware im using is certified to run up to 16x, so if it writes at 4x, its not the media. RipGuard is affecting the burn at higher speeds (ever thought of a sub-copy protection which is in the original??).

Rodney

why would you ask something here if you already got an answer from slysoft then?

i have never heard about what you're talking about, but if it did come from slysoft then I'll run with it I guess.

out of curiousity, what's the MID on the media you're using?

I was seeing if anyone else could give a reason as to why.

What do you mean MID? I dont abbreviate.

Rodney

the media ID or manufacturer's ID code of the discs you're using.

They did? Then they are idiots. Filesystem on DVDs is UDF/ISO Bridge.
But even if RipGuard was a filesystem, it wouldn't have anything to do with the burning speed.

Thanks for that. It means more to me than you know.

1. You didn't get an email from slysoft.

2. You can burn ripguard as fast as your drive/media will handle. I personally burnt it at 12x.

3. You're full of crap... just like I said in the other thread you tried to dump on with this bull.

this is what i assumed, but i always burn at 4x so i couldn't be sure.

i'm still waiting to hear what kind of media he's using. my money's on his media as the problem.

Which is what I originally said but he told me he uses 16x certified media and that he got an email from slysoft saying that the "ripguard file system" interferes with the burn and that if you don't burn it at 4x or less it'll fail at 50%. Um, yea. Like I said...I want to hear from slysoft on this. Tru summed up my feelings on this one...

God struth

Ive stirred up a hornets nest here thats for sure. Ill simplify what I did for Madagascar.

1. Start CloneDVD2 and AnyDVD (set on region 4)
2. clicked next until it started reading the DVD (chose 16x write on TDK DVD-R 16X certfied and the Pioneer DVR-108 is 16x certified too)
3. reading from movie is perfect.
4. insert brand new disc
5. Around 50% mark, i get a CloneDVD2 error which ejects the disc.
6. Go through same procedure at 4x speed burn - same discs - no problem.

I was told by slysoft (email them yourselves to prove it) that RipGuard is a file system as well as a copy protection, and this obviously interferes when writing at higher speeds (even with the media and hardware that support it).

Rodney

I just did and asked James to respond personally to this thread. I await Slysoft's official response.

Maybe R-4 has diff protection? What does CloneDVD2 error say?

Merry Christmas to SamuriHL and family.

Ok, let's put this into perspective. (I know you can think logically so hang in there). Let's say you're right, that they have a different protection. This would affect ripping the disc. Once the disc is ripped, the protection is no longer there. It's just a bunch of files sitting on your hard drive. Even if you create an ISO image and then burn it, the VOBS are still created in a temp directory first and then the ISO is made. If you're burning to the blank recordable media "directly", then the VOBS are created on the hard drive and then burned. In other words, the original "file system" (cough cough) is not copied!!! Since you are burning a bunch of files from the hard drive to the blank disc, there is NO BLEEPING POSSIBLE WAY that the files can interfere with the burn speed. Period. But I want to see what Slysoft says about this alleged email. I could DEFINITELY believe RIP speed set to 4x or lower but NOT write speed.

Merry Xmas to you and yours as well man!!

SamuriHL > I totally agree. Once it's ripped it should burn fine. I did use a ? mark in my post. Plus what is the error this person gets in #5. I wanna see what James says also

Yup, I wasn't trying give you a hard time...I was just trying to think this one through logically. I just can't believe that any protection could affect writing speed. If it did, I'd LOVE to know how they did it. Magic, perhaps? I just don't buy it at all. Claiming that Slysoft told you this ultra secret information in an email is great and all but I also find it hard to believe with the *HUGE* madagascar thread we had that they wouldn't ONCE mention it.

just because your media is 16x and your burner is 16x doesn't mean that the burns will be successful at 16x.

you still haven't given the media ID of the media you're using.

also, even if your media is quality, there's always a chance of a bad disc or a bad batch...since you didn't specify whether you tried another disc from a different batch at 16x which would exempt your discs from the issue.

instead you lowered the write speed which could have rectified any problems from poor quality media to scratched media to a writer that's on its way out.

you can't manipulate one variable then conclude that it was the fault of another...

@brightspark

can you copy and paste the email from slysoft?

yes, we're all a bunch of doubting thomases over here, but this is strange information. please copy and paste exactly what you were told from the email.

Do you blame us? This is beyond strange...it borders on the physically impossible.

i'm skeptical as well, but i'm trying to keep an open mind so i don't look like the biggest idiot here if he's right!

i just want to see the proof. an email, headers and all would satiate my curiousity.

If he's right, I'll fully admit that I'm an idiot and humbly apologize for doubting him. Until there's proof, however, um, no.

"4. insert brand new disc"

lol... what else? a used disc?

if you burn at 16x speed your bus system, your mainboard drivers and your hard drive have to be able to cope with the huge amount of dataflow, not only the writer and the blanks.

and if ripguard would only burn at 4x slysoft would have noted this in their anydvd/ clonedvd version history, or not?
http://www.slysoft.com/download/changes_anydvd.txt