whats the best software for burning audio cd's, easy cd creator or nero?thanks.

Nero, I've been using it for years now and with this express interface it has become as easy as Easy CD Creator.

If you want the best it's not Nero nor easy cd creator. It's EAC(Exact Audio copy) It's freeware and you can get it here: http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/

Do the search for Feurio ! and you'll find the answer

and btw, regarding EAC. I use it as well ( who doesn't ? )
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread....5&pagenumber=2

but ...! When it comes to Extracting Audio Data the times with Feurio are as much as 3,5 times (!) lower than with EAC.

I recently did it w a CD of 7 tracks = 55:17

EAC -> 6:37
Feurio -> 1:56

Check it out for yourself
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Wow ! This has been my 100th post @Freaks and I've become a "full" member. Nice !

Off course EAC is slower, but that's because it checks the media better so it's more accurate.

Well, good for you if you think so
Perhaps, someday you'll change your mind when (if) you learnt enough about it. But for now, just try to search and read first.

Yeah, you are the burn magician. At least you call yourself so. Duh.

Yep ! Nothing's wrong with it. Yeah, at least it's fun, unlike your case.

And btw, about your statement : " that's because it checks the media better so it's more accurate. ", are you able to prove it with some info & facts ?
Or is EAC the best (in your eyes) , simply because it's free ?
I guess I understand your point then
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Did you ever wonder why Feurio got so many awards ?
http://www.feurio.com/

thats full speed ripping, without regard to errors. EAC checks the c2 errors in secure mode, rather than just ripping blindly, which , for some drives, causes secure mode to be much slower than another mode, as the lack of c2 ability means EAC must read each sector @ least 2ice to make sure its getting the correct data. raw speed, go feurio. accuracy important? go freeware EAC !

of course, since the question is 'best software for burning audio', the answer is nero, as it has the most options and is easy for a noob to understand.

[quote]Originally posted by ckin2001
[b]thats full speed ripping, without regard to errors. EAC checks the c2 errors in secure mode, rather than just ripping blindly, which , for some drives, causes secure mode to be much slower than another mode, as the lack of c2 ability means EAC must read each sector @ least 2ice to make sure its getting the correct data.[QUOTE

I know, but I wanted to stop this useless discussion with our "burning magician" so I didn't react.

But for ronco05: as you see, if you want a fast and easy read and burn; Use Nero.
If you want an accurate, but slow, read; Use EAC and burn with whatever program you like.

Well, boy, it's nice that u2 began calling me like that - thanks for recognition, yours means a lot to me !

Stick with what you like for the rest of your life and please let us know when the EAC 9zillion1 BETA is out, okay, the "news bringer"?

Do you yourself have Feurio at hand ? Don't think so ! That is why the discussion IS useless.

And you're liar, because you did react . But with one simple exception, though. Behind someone's back.

A food for thoughts ( for those who have those ):

ZDNet Software Library Review:
"We haven't seen too many apps that would make us quit using Easy CD Creator as our CD recording software of choice -- until we reviewed Feurio. Here's a CD ripping/recording solution that truly does it all. Use its elegant interface to retrieve CD information from the CDDB, digitally extract CD tracks, edit the produced .wav files, record them on a CD-R or CD-RW disc, and print up a spiffy-looking CD cover. Want to put MP3s on an audio CD? No problem. Organize your discs with the built-in database functions. CD and .wav players are included as well. Even if you're totally happy with your current CD recording software, Feurio deserves a serious look. No features are disabled in this unregistered version. Purchase removes the shareware reminders.

Yippee Shareware:
"...Definitely a more fully featured program in comparison to other CD burners out there - Feurio also provides a nice interface and great functionality. Well worth a look for comparison's sake."

WinPlanet:
"Feurio, King of CD Audio Recording!
We have been creating CDs for years and have felt the software that came with our CD-R was great; boy, were we wrong! Feurio by Ahead Software out of Karlsbad Germany has all of the answers for the questions we were afraid to ask. Feurio is a CD ripping/recording software that makes short work of any music mastering chore that you can think of. It can help organize music using a CD database (incl. CDDB support), and has a CD and Wave Player, a Wave Editor, and CD burning software all in one powerful package. The real power is built into the audio grabber, which will handle any type of CD-ROM drive thrown at it. We had one of the first CD-ROMs made and it performed perfectly with Feurio. Running Windows NT, it is almost impossible to create a buffer underrun as long as you are not running caching programs while burning, and under Windows 95/98 it is no problem to continue surfing and doing small tasks.
Also, it has integrated a great project manager that will take as many projects as you can throw at it, and can interchange music from project to project and change track order on the fly. The CDDB support mentioned is an internet-based database that keeps track of titles and names of all of audio CDs, avoiding having to type them in over and over. The Track editor is a real work of art. It cuts silent passages in your recordings, adds fade-ins and fade-outs, and even digitizes and saves LP albums as wave files in one operation, even split into single tracks. Ahead Software has been renowned as one of the best CD recording packages on the market, and it seems it just won't ease up on the competition!
Summary:
Anyone serious about music recording truly needs Feurio. There just isn't another that carries the long list of features, the sheer power of an advanced CD audio recording software that this one does. From Feurio's easy installation, great user interface, and great tech support, to sheer power that reminds me of a supersonic jet--only Feurio is just breaking the sound barrier on music CD mastering ."

GAME OVER !

What a question!
Feurio is way better than those, and of course can read C2 errors.
CD-Manager -> Program Parameters -> Special Parameters -> C2 error message
and only check "Report C2 errors"

at long last !

Are you sure that they realize what you're talking about ?

Actually this issue has already been discussed here :
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread....threadid=47671

With Feurio you get the number of C2 errors, with EAC not, although it isn't very important.

Nero is a poor program that can't do "multitasking": You can't do anything while burning or extracting (I mean you can't extract another disc while burning or extracting or burn another disc while another is being burnt).

Feurio is much better programmed and the burning engine has always been the best (when Nero 4 didn't even have RAM buffer).

Children, children!!!! Stop arguing.
You're best off using EAC in secure mode for ripping and making a cuesheet, and then using Nero to burn it (in a slow speed, of course).

C2 errors (unless I'm very much mistaken) are for really deep scratches on a CD so you hardly ever need C2 error correction.

Then, if C2 errors are for scratched CDs, for the same reason you don't need Secure Mode to extract.
If there is no C2 error then the extraction is perfect (except for offsets).
So you have no advantage extracting with EAC Secure Mode over Feurio if the CD has no C2 error.

Nero has usually more bugs than Feurio, like the stupid bug of cutting the last sector of WAVs in versions from 5.5.4.2 to 5.5.7.2.
They still have this problem in current versions when the WAV is edited and the end isn't in the WAV sector boundary.
I can't see its advantage over Feurio.

Ah, nice to see some robust discussion here (so long as it doesn't get too robust ).

My personal view is the same as ckin2001 and JesusWasGay; best is EAC in secure mode to rip, nero to burn; but that's just my opinion.

So far as the original question is concerned; i.e. nero or ezcd; nero.

Well,well,well...
Actually, we have been discussing ( not arquing ) things according to the topic, i.e.
Best software for audio burning ?

Once again, AUDIO, right ? If so, neither Nero nor EZCD belong here.

And as far as the original question is concerned, the guy asking this question probably didn't have a clue of the Feurio existence, but now thanks to our discussion he would hopefully open up his eyers and, most importantly, ears.

Please, stop comparing EAC w Feurio ! It is no longer funny.
Nobody even in one's worst nightmare would ever imagine comparing Opel w Rolls Royce

Can anyone say any objective reason why Nero is better than Feurio?
I'm sure that almost all people that said Nero is better haven't try more than 3 compilations with Feurio...


I know both programs. I started with Nero 4.x and CDRWin 3.6 some years ago because everybody said that they were the programas to have (like in this forum).
I couldn't touch my computer while burning because the small buffer of my burner got empty quite quickly and the computer started to make "swapping" if I touch the mouse. I was making 15% coasters with these programs. Then I found Feurio as a specialized audio burning program. It had what I was looking for: a sizeable RAM buffer. That was the solution. No more coasters anymore. (The CDRWin's RAM buffer didn't work as supposed).

I only see a couple of features better in Nero: the audio filters.
Cross-fade and average volume normalization. Nothing more.

I repeat: Nero chops the last samples of a wave if the wave isn't multiply of a sector.
How can anyone call this the best program or a serious program?

In order to get no silences between tracks this is all they could manage: remove the last samples and here we have, no gaps...
Yeah, great programmers...

In versions from 5.5.4.2 to 5.5.7.2 (at least) it's even worse: they remove the last sector ALWAYS.
They are so bad programmers that instead of chopping the last sector only if the last sector had less than 588 samples, I guess they got messed with logic operators and removed it always.

Feurio never removes samples of wave, unless you want.
You can choose between fill the last sector with silence to be a multiple of a sector, or change the position of end and start of tracks to so that the tracks are multiles of a sector.
Nero loses your music, Feurio not.

They can't even make a burning progress bar decently... The progress isn't constant with a CLV drive !!! It raises very fast at first and then it get slowed...
It's a joke...

How can you live having to set the properties of tracks to 0 seconds every time you make a compilation? How many times did you forget it?
Or uncheck the "remove silence of *,cda tracks" or "cache track" settings always that you open Nero?
It's stupid... It makes no sense...

You can't even prepare another compilation or touch anything inside Nero while burning...

Oh, I almost forgot it. CD-Text didn't work for months of versions and versions if the Wizard was used...
Incredible!!!

How can you trust programmers that make these newbie's errors?


Feurio is multitasking, installs no drivers or dlls or ASPI in the system, it's faster and easier, has a ton more options, reads C2 errors, it teaches you how CD-Audio works while Nero hides it, the way how projects works is MUCH more comfortable than open an old compilation in Nero, the help really helps, has almost no bugs...

Feurio is a tool for audio burning and Nero is a toy.


Eac, instead, has some good points at least.
I use it to read very scratched CDs. It works better with my Ultraplex when there are errors.
When it detects a C2 error it stops and reads it until successive readings are the same. But I repeat: if Feurio shows no C2 error the extraction has been perfect and the wave is the same as with EAC.

Even when there are C2 errors the extraction can be correct. There are 3 types of C2 errors, E12, E22 and E32, but only E32 errors are uncorrectable by hardware. In that case the wave is not perfect.


I'd like to hear any objective reason to say that Nero is better...

There is no point in fighting about which program is best.

The best program is the one that is better for you , the program that fits your needs , the one that you understand the best and the one that leads you to better results when you use it.

Not all people own 500.000 euros valued CD players - stereos to tell the quality difference between two CD's!

Can anyone tell the difference if he hears a CD burned with eak or feurio? I don't think so.

Exactly, I agree.
If you prefer EAC, Nero, Feurio, EasyCD or whatever, that's fine, it's a matter of tastes.
If you like that Nero removes the last part of a song, it's OK...

But those are subjective reasons.
If you say that one program is better than another please give objective reasons, not "I like it more"...
And I'd like to hear objective reasons...


There should be no difference between a CD burned with one program or another, unless the original CD is scratched or the reader is poor (rare nowadays).
The digital info is exactly the same except for offsets, that are only perfectly managed by EAC.
But I don't mind songs starting 2 hundreds of a seconds late or soon...

What I don't like is Nero doing things that I didn't ask, like cutting sound of my songs or not writing CD-Text.


By the way, I don't recommend using CloneCD for audio.
It's not created for that, and sometimes doesn't work well with readers.
CloneCD maybe tends to skip over bad sectors, which is useful for data protections, but in audio the reader should retry to read until sector is good.
Anyway, CloneCD has no advantage for audio burning.

What a crap I just have been reading @Audio Forum and here

minix, I beg you so much, stop reacting to the posts like that. You'll never explain to a blind man how the sun looks until he sees it.

As a buddy wrote me the other day :"...But you know I really like Feurio. My conclusion, some of these guys just like to run their mouths..."

I'm getting sick of it

OK BoSkin you convinced us all - we will buy Feurio - and we will never use another program.

I really don't get it , why are you trying to convince everyone that they have to use Feurio , are you related to Feurio's programmers?

BoSkin often has his mind made up on things...