why buy cd-r audio instead of cd-r for recording music? - Club CDFreaks

newtoburners · 03-04-2006

what is the reason that one should get cd-r audio instead of cd-r for recording music?

*adict2jane* · 03-04-2006

Do not get cd-r audio disks unless you are using a stand alone audio cd-recorder.

If you are using a cd recorder in a computer, just get high quality cd-r's like tayio yudens, or verbatims.

newtoburners · 03-04-2006

but then what is the reason I should not use cd-r audio but only cd-r when burning audio in computer?
are those cd-r sony in staples any good?

**Arachne** · 03-04-2006

I wouldn't buy them, except for the reason stated above.

I burn all my audio CDs on the PC, and I've even used Ritek CDRs, which are surprisingly good.

*adict2jane* · 03-04-2006

the sony cd-r's are staples are VERY good if they say "made in japan" on them (Taiyo Yudens).

The_Dude · 03-04-2006

No one has mentioned the difference.

"CD-R Audio" (aka "CD-R Music") are CD-Rs for which a royalty has been made to various music industry organizations (supposedly as compensation for royalties lost due to copying of commercial CDs).

There is no technical difference, except that standalone CD Recorders require that media due to the royalty compensation issue (I assume that Recorders look for a code on the CD-R).

So, if you are using a PC CD-RW, then it is only a question of whether the quality and price of the CD-R Audio disc matches your needs and is competitive with other CD-Rs that are available.

The "standard" for CD-Rs is:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817172103

so anything else better be significantly cheaper.

wlderdude · 04-04-2006

I have a CD changer that I think was purchased in 1997. It does not take your run of the mill CD-R's. It will sometimes play the Audio CD-R's, but it struggles with them for some reason. The only brand I have tried is the Fry's house brand "Great Quality."

*nmpaulcp* · 04-04-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Dude

No one has mentioned the difference.

"CD-R Audio" (aka "CD-R Music") are CD-Rs for which a royalty has been made to various music industry organizations (supposedly as compensation for royalties lost due to copying of commercial CDs).

There is no technical difference, except that standalone CD Recorders require that media due to the royalty compensation issue (I assume that Recorders look for a code on the CD-R).

So, if you are using a PC CD-RW, then it is only a question of whether the quality and price of the CD-R Audio disc matches your needs and is competitive with other CD-Rs that are available.

The "standard" for CD-Rs is:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817172103

so anything else better be significantly cheaper.

The dude here is right. You are better off spending your money on good quality TYs or VERBs than on marginal disks that cost more because of royalties.

Couperin · 04-04-2006

Reasons NOt to buy cd-r audio blanks:

1. As already explained, they are more expensive because royalties have been paid. The physical difference is that the blank used to make a cd-r audio blank has molded into it, near the hub, a anomaly, that, when rotated, produces a modulated frequency. All but the earliest standalone recorders (and a few pro models) have firmware that detects this signal, if it's not present, it locks you out of recording. Other than this, the rest of the blank is identical to 'normal' cd-r blanks... with the following caviat:

2. Today just about the ONLY cd recorders you can buy that can record at 1X speed, and are optimized for such speed, are standalones, which are still often used for 'live recording' since most include microphone inputs. I'm unaware of ANY cd-r formulation that can be optimized for a recording speed range of 1X to 48X (let alone 52X). I'm willing to bet since almost all cd-r audio blanks still have to consider being burned at 1X, most if not all, are not as good performers at high speeds...

*ghetocowboy* · 08-04-2006

The difference is that you pay tax (digital right tax)for the CD-R audio and thus paying for price premium. The CD-R audio has the code encrypted and thus will work with a home stand alone CD-R audio recorder, the CD-R will not work in a stand alone recorder

jj_frap · 23-04-2006

F*** the music industry.
F*** the RIAA.

**Dee-27** · 23-04-2006

@jj_frap
Please mind your language.

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adict2jane CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 666	Re: why buy cd-r audio instead of cd-r for recording music? Do not get cd-r audio disks unless you are using a stand alone audio cd-recorder. If you are using a cd recorder in a computer, just get high quality cd-r's like tayio yudens, or verbatims.

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newtoburners CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 313	Re: why buy cd-r audio instead of cd-r for recording music? but then what is the reason I should not use cd-r audio but only cd-r when burning audio in computer? are those cd-r sony in staples any good?

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The_Dude CD Freaks Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Northern California Posts: 126	Re: why buy cd-r audio instead of cd-r for recording music? No one has mentioned the difference. "CD-R Audio" (aka "CD-R Music") are CD-Rs for which a royalty has been made to various music industry organizations (supposedly as compensation for royalties lost due to copying of commercial CDs). There is no technical difference, except that standalone CD Recorders require that media due to the royalty compensation issue (I assume that Recorders look for a code on the CD-R). So, if you are using a PC CD-RW, then it is only a question of whether the quality and price of the CD-R Audio disc matches your needs and is competitive with other CD-Rs that are available. The "standard" for CD-Rs is: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817172103 so anything else better be significantly cheaper.

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wlderdude New on Forum Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: College Station, Texas Posts: 4	Re: why buy cd-r audio instead of cd-r for recording music? I have a CD changer that I think was purchased in 1997. It does not take your run of the mill CD-R's. It will sometimes play the Audio CD-R's, but it struggles with them for some reason. The only brand I have tried is the Fry's house brand "Great Quality."

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Couperin CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Hampshire, USA Posts: 49	Re: why buy cd-r audio instead of cd-r for recording music? Reasons NOt to buy cd-r audio blanks: 1. As already explained, they are more expensive because royalties have been paid. The physical difference is that the blank used to make a cd-r audio blank has molded into it, near the hub, a anomaly, that, when rotated, produces a modulated frequency. All but the earliest standalone recorders (and a few pro models) have firmware that detects this signal, if it's not present, it locks you out of recording. Other than this, the rest of the blank is identical to 'normal' cd-r blanks... with the following caviat: 2. Today just about the ONLY cd recorders you can buy that can record at 1X speed, and are optimized for such speed, are standalones, which are still often used for 'live recording' since most include microphone inputs. I'm unaware of ANY cd-r formulation that can be optimized for a recording speed range of 1X to 48X (let alone 52X). I'm willing to bet since almost all cd-r audio blanks still have to consider being burned at 1X, most if not all, are not as good performers at high speeds...

08-04-2006	#10 (permalink)
ghetocowboy CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,294	Re: why buy cd-r audio instead of cd-r for recording music? The difference is that you pay tax (digital right tax)for the CD-R audio and thus paying for price premium. The CD-R audio has the code encrypted and thus will work with a home stand alone CD-R audio recorder, the CD-R will not work in a stand alone recorder __________________ Current System: Asus U6S-A1 with Intel T7500 2.2ghz C2D; 4gb RAM, 200gb Hitachi 2.5" 7200RPM /w 16mb cache; 12" Led Backlit Display; Hitachi/LG GSA-U10A laptop drive; Windows Vista Ultimate 64-Bit; BenQ 1655 in Cypress ATA2+ Chip Enclosure; Seagate 500gb Pro eSATA drive; HP 30" LCD S-IPS display via HDMI-DVI converter from Asus U6S-A1 Output

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jj_frap New on Forum Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 17	Re: why buy cd-r audio instead of cd-r for recording music? F* the music industry. F* the RIAA. Last edited by Dee-27; 23-04-2006 at 21:16. Reason: removed profanity

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