How to recognize and copy and/or rip protected audio music cd - Page 2 - Club CD Freaks

robbie2002 · 22-08-2002

Thanks for your help Upp3rd0G.
I am going to download Feurio and try that for copying Audio CD's.

It was good of you to take the time to reply to an unknown newbie.

Cheers
Catch you later.
Rob.............

flatquantum · 04-09-2002

Hello,

I have this new CD from Muse called Hullabaloo. It's a double CD and only one is protected. The publisher is Universal. Produced in Germany.
But, none of the descriptions fit very good with what has been written about audio protection.
1) If you insert and explore the CD, it contains only a player (called wmmp.exe and not cactus-something.exe) and no tracks (ie no data and no audio tracks)
2) inspected with cloneCD you get 2 sessions,
first session with 10 tracks, the 9 first ones are 1722kB in size, the last one is 399405 kB. (but the music is actually 11 tracks !!)
second session is 1 track with 323420 kB
So the CD is full up to 73min,58sec
3) there's nothing written on the cover about MidBar Tel Aviv or else. There's no markin in ce CD center as for Key2Audio
4) Visual inspection gives one 1mm wide line at approx. the end of the audio. No fine lines between the tracks as reported in MediaCloq
5) ClonyXXL finds only Dummy tracks (but then again I have a problem with the aspi layer and I can only start ClonyXXL without aspi

)
6) Trying to make a CD image with clone CD using all of the advices given in the first post of this thread results in:
- most sectors 1 ~ 700 (track 1) are defect
- in each following track some sectors are defect.
- so produced CD image does not work.
- takes an awful lot of time

If trying to make an image including session 2 (above was made with only session 1), CD-ROM gets in an infinite reading state and it's difficult to stop it (ie kill task etc.)

So here are my questions:
- What CD protection is this? (Is universal using different protections in Europe than in USA?)
- May some of the issues be related to my hardware (writer TEAC CD-W512EB firmw: 2.0B, reader TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-M1502 firmw:1008) and not solely to the protection.
- What advices are there to back-up this thing (except recording the audio, that's not what I call a solution

)

Thanks for an answer and sorry for the long post.
FlatQuantum

flatquantum · 04-09-2002

Sorry for disturbing you with the message above.
The CD is protected with CDS200.0.4 3.0 build 16c

Upp3rd0G · 04-09-2002

Good you figured it out yourself. How about the player-issues you mentioned? Did they change the name of the player? Is there really no reference to Midbar somewhere on the cover or inlay?

flatquantum · 04-09-2002

Nope, no reference to Midbar on the packaging and the player is called wmmp.exe.
I figured out it was Cactus beause of the version.txt file which appears in the "Player" folder.

Still I can't copy it though (with cloneCD I mean).

Best regards FlatQuantum

Ludwig van moza · 04-09-2002

I'm not surprised that protected cd are sold with no warning. If there is a specific player they don't have to mention "will not play..." because it can play.

In France Kate Ryan audio cd is protected but it's printed in very little characters. I don't have this cd so i couldn't test it but it's probably cds or key2audio.

flatquantum · 05-09-2002

Actually on the packaging it is written that the CD is protected with a BIG logo as seen here and a web address is given ti get "more info" which is http://www.universal-kopierschutz.de/

The full text translates to something like:
"
This CD is protected against Copying. It is intended to be played on standard CD-players and computer with Windows operating system. More infos at http://www.universal-kopierschutz.de/
"

FlatQuantum

CR4CK1N705H · 30-10-2002

I copied a Key2Audio disc easily with a Macintosh computer.

My PowerMac G4 running Mac OS X just displayed the data part of the CD as a drive icon (when you clicked it a read error came up) and a music part. I just ripped all the files from the CD and burned them to CD.

The reader was the internal MATSHITA DVD-RAM and the writer was YAMAHA CRW-F1DX

alexnoe · 30-10-2002

Toshiba 1502 can't read cactus.

ginsoakedboy · 05-11-2002

flatquantum,

I have a CD protected w\ CDS200.0.4 3.0 build 12b, aparently very similar to the one you have.
My cd player reads it with the same player you had wich is installed when i inser the cd.

Did you manage to rip your cd? Or to extract the audio files to your disk (that would be fine for me - i could then burn a cd....)

And does anyone know how i can rip this. i was trying to avoid the marker trick, cause it's not my cd.....

if anyone has an idea please post it or email it to me.

!!!UPDATE!!!!

Found a SOlution! Check this post: http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread....threadid=57385

thanx.

Ludwig van moza · 05-11-2002

ginsoakedboy,
That depends on you drive. You can read a specific thread on that subject in this forum.
In short : 1 : Plextor with Plextools
2 : EAC with other brands (expert mode, detect toc)

Ch5Micky · 11-11-2002

Thanx 4 all thes tips guys its a very interesting topic and a hard nut to crack.

ritdan · 10-12-2002

Dwnld EAC and selected settings as advised in coaster factory for reader (Sony) and writer (Plex 1210) Eac read wav files and sent them to folder. Now, does EAC also write the files ?? If so I couldn't figure out how so I used Easy CD creator to copy wav files. Did I do it right? Will eac take out a glitch automatically that was in this audio cd? Still learning-thanx

Upp3rd0G · 10-12-2002

EAC has a writing engine, but it is not as good as the rest of the program. It is usuable, but I always burn my EAC-extracted-wavs with Nero.

ritdan · 11-12-2002

Burned it with cd creator, played and it seems to be ok, don't know about the glitch I had in one track wasn't listening carefully-we'll see. To use nero should I uninstall east cd creator (Plex)
Thanx

CDRburner · 22-12-2002

TO ginsoakedboy

Try this to your Cactus protected audio CD.
Use CloneCD to read and write the cd.
Use Protected PC Game profile and default setting so you should have 1:1 copy from orginal music CD.

Works with Liteon LTR-52246S

Quote:

Originally posted by ginsoakedboy
flatquantum,

I have a CD protected w\ CDS200.0.4 3.0 build 12b, aparently very similar to the one you have.
My cd player reads it with the same player you had wich is installed when i inser the cd.

Did you manage to rip your cd? Or to extract the audio files to your disk (that would be fine for me - i could then burn a cd....)

And does anyone know how i can rip this. i was trying to avoid the marker trick, cause it's not my cd.....

if anyone has an idea please post it or email it to me.

!!!UPDATE!!!!

Found a SOlution! Check this post: http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread....threadid=57385

thanx.

Pio2001 · 31-12-2002

I was in holydays in my uncle's home, and he needed a backup of a doc.loc protected CD (Lagoa vol 11). None of his drives recognized the CD (there was an Asus burner between 32 and 46x, I don't remember the other CD ROM).
Even EAC wouldn't read it, it was stuck in an endless loop, loading and loading the TOC.

1st trick (nothing new)
CloneCD, inserting the CD after the program is started, successfully extracted the image.

But the copy burned from this image was unusable ! The resulting audio CD was not recognized neither in the computer, nor in hifi players.

2nd trick :
I had to rename the image.img file to image.raw, open it in goldwave, save it to wav.
Then, the cuesheet was not recognized, so I had to update the filename, change the "BINARY" statement to "WAVE", and, the less obvious part, add a new line for track one :
INDEX 00 00:00:00
that was missing (index 1 was at 00:10:00).

At last Nero could burn it properly.

Wannez · 11-01-2003

After succesfull ripping Robbie Williams's Escapology with a Plex12TS, Plex40TS and Plex12/4/32 (using EAC), I tested the CD in my ASUS DVD616.

And I must say, the results surprised me: autorun was enabled, so the cactus player loaded. This usually means the autorun fucked up the windows-cd approach, so it would be useless to even try ripping.
Well, against any form of common sence, I loaded MusicMatch Jukebox. What happened: All 14 tracks were listed in the ripping window, with the correct tracklength. In fact, in any other ripping program I used, the tracks are listed like it was any other non protected audio-cd.

I don't know if the Asus handles all protections that well, but the CDS200 (12b) that's used on RW's Escapology sure is. My other protected audio cd's (Key2audio and other CDS versions) are at my girlfriend's place, so I'll test them later with the ASUS.

[KFG] · 12-01-2003

Thats right, it is an error in the copy protection. even when you push pause on tzhe player all the audio trakcs can be copied with the explorer

Halcyon · 29-01-2003

Has somebody built a following matrix:

Name of the Copy control system (including version number)
Principle method of working (how it does it's magic)
Does it cause distored (or altered) audio signal?
How to circumvent it (software/drive/other)?
An example CD employing this system?

It would be really nice.

I've been trying to find a single representative disc of each copy control system.

I've only been able to Find Cactus 200 and Key2Audio (version unknown) locally.

In some ways this is a relief, but I would like to get a sample of each of the following copy control mechanisms, to try them out for myself:

Cactus Data Shield 100 Availability: -

Cactus Data Shield 200 Availability: ++
Foo Fighters: One by One
Kent: Vapen & Ammunition
Alicia Keys: Songs in A Minor
Massive Attack: 100th window (helmikuu)
Paradise Lost: Symbol of Life
Phil Collins: Testify

Cactus Data Shield 300 Availability: --

Key2Audio Availability: ++
System of a Down: Steal This Album!
Star Wars Episode 2 soundtrack

Doc.loc Availability: -

MediaCloq 1.0 Availability: --

MediaCloq 2.0 Availability: --

SafeAudio Availability: --

SafeAudio 3:

MusicGuard:

Duolizer:

Coffeshop 4:

If some of the above copy control mechanisms are old, dead & buried, then I don't want to spend my time on them.

Can somebody help me to fill in the gaps by telling me:

A) Which systems distort original audio data (e.g. overwrite original PCM data with noise and label them with P-codes).

B) Which CDs could be a representative of a certain copy control mechanism (assuming I find the right pressing).

Cheers,
Halcyon

Upp3rd0G · 29-01-2003

A lot of the information you want can be found in the audio section of the German forum Brennmeister.

Btw: to make such an ultimate list you need to remember:

protections differ from pressing to pressing, from country to country, from continent to continent
the outcome of the scan depends on the used drive, so you need a lot of drives
because you don't know how the drive/firmware deals with non-redbook compliant cds you are never sure if you get the right information (for example: a drive may hide an illegal session, because it can't deal with it)
audio protections come in a lot of versions, it is really hard to determine the minute differences

lestodante · 01-04-2003

I have Roxette - The Pop Hits.
I made a backup with clone CD..
It work well BUT....
all songs are damaged (scratch) al 9 second.

During the ripping process, Clone told me about some sectors:

reading sector n. #### failure

4 sector for each track!
Someone can help me?

Also this CD has a Player on the cd called wnmp.exe and dummy files on 2nd section.

oab · 07-04-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Pio2001
If you need to make a digital copy of a protected CD via SPDIF, slave the clock of your soundcard to the SPDIF input if it is possible, it's the only way to get bit-perfect copies.
Otherwise, an asynchronous sample rate conversion is performed on the incoming data to prevent drop outs due to clock drift. It doesn't affect the sound very much, but it's better to have lossless copies.

Works with MAudio Audiophile 2496, Terratec DMX 6fire, Terratec EWX, Hoontech DSP, Echo Mia, Marian Marc2, Midiman delta DIO...

Not supported by Creative labs or Hercules soundcards.

WRONG use a piece of tape or a marker on the CD and do it that way it blocks out the illegal TOC's
or use the digital input/output on your soundcard and your stereo system that works well too.

Upp3rd0G · 09-04-2003

@oab

Did you even read the article???

Halcyon · 04-05-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by lestodante
I have Roxette - The Pop Hits.
all songs are damaged (scratch) al 9 second.

This is a hallmark sign of Cactus Data shield 200.

The only known way to circumvent it is to use Plextools with a Plextor drive. I have not been able to circumvent it in any other way (tried CloneCD, Alcohol 120%, Easy CD-DA Extractor 5.10, CDP32, EAC, WinDAC with various settings, using a LiteOn, Yamaha, Sony and LG drives).

Plextools with single/first session only + DAE extraction at max 4x will result in a good rip using a Plextor drive.

regards,
Halcyon

22-08-2002	#26 (permalink)
robbie2002 New on Forum Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: North East of England Posts: 10	Thanks Upp3rd0G <a href='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a13febf7&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE' target='_blank'><img src='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/avw.php?zoneid=30&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE&n=a13febf7' border='0' alt='' /></a> Thanks for your help Upp3rd0G. I am going to download Feurio and try that for copying Audio CD's. It was good of you to take the time to reply to an unknown newbie. Cheers Catch you later. Rob............. __________________ Robbie

04-09-2002	#27 (permalink)
flatquantum New on Forum Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 4	Universal Copy protection Hello, I have this new CD from Muse called Hullabaloo. It's a double CD and only one is protected. The publisher is Universal. Produced in Germany. But, none of the descriptions fit very good with what has been written about audio protection. 1) If you insert and explore the CD, it contains only a player (called wmmp.exe and not cactus-something.exe) and no tracks (ie no data and no audio tracks) 2) inspected with cloneCD you get 2 sessions, first session with 10 tracks, the 9 first ones are 1722kB in size, the last one is 399405 kB. (but the music is actually 11 tracks !!) second session is 1 track with 323420 kB So the CD is full up to 73min,58sec 3) there's nothing written on the cover about MidBar Tel Aviv or else. There's no markin in ce CD center as for Key2Audio 4) Visual inspection gives one 1mm wide line at approx. the end of the audio. No fine lines between the tracks as reported in MediaCloq 5) ClonyXXL finds only Dummy tracks (but then again I have a problem with the aspi layer and I can only start ClonyXXL without aspi ) 6) Trying to make a CD image with clone CD using all of the advices given in the first post of this thread results in: - most sectors 1 ~ 700 (track 1) are defect - in each following track some sectors are defect. - so produced CD image does not work. - takes an awful lot of time If trying to make an image including session 2 (above was made with only session 1), CD-ROM gets in an infinite reading state and it's difficult to stop it (ie kill task etc.) So here are my questions: - What CD protection is this? (Is universal using different protections in Europe than in USA?) - May some of the issues be related to my hardware (writer TEAC CD-W512EB firmw: 2.0B, reader TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-M1502 firmw:1008) and not solely to the protection. - What advices are there to back-up this thing (except recording the audio, that's not what I call a solution ) Thanks for an answer and sorry for the long post. FlatQuantum

04-09-2002	#29 (permalink)
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30-10-2002	#33 (permalink)
CR4CK1N705H CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 52	Sucessfull Audio copy with a Macintosh I copied a Key2Audio disc easily with a Macintosh computer. My PowerMac G4 running Mac OS X just displayed the data part of the CD as a drive icon (when you clicked it a read error came up) and a music part. I just ripped all the files from the CD and burned them to CD. The reader was the internal MATSHITA DVD-RAM and the writer was YAMAHA CRW-F1DX

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04-09-2002	#28 (permalink)
flatquantum New on Forum Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 4	Sorry for disturbing you with the message above. The CD is protected with CDS200.0.4 3.0 build 16c

04-09-2002	#30 (permalink)
flatquantum New on Forum Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 4	Nope, no reference to Midbar on the packaging and the player is called wmmp.exe. I figured out it was Cactus beause of the version.txt file which appears in the "Player" folder. Still I can't copy it though (with cloneCD I mean). Best regards FlatQuantum

04-09-2002	#31 (permalink)
Ludwig van moza CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 80	I'm not surprised that protected cd are sold with no warning. If there is a specific player they don't have to mention "will not play..." because it can play. In France Kate Ryan audio cd is protected but it's printed in very little characters. I don't have this cd so i couldn't test it but it's probably cds or key2audio.

05-09-2002	#32 (permalink)
flatquantum New on Forum Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 4	Actually on the packaging it is written that the CD is protected with a BIG logo as seen here and a web address is given ti get "more info" which is http://www.universal-kopierschutz.de/ The full text translates to something like: " This CD is protected against Copying. It is intended to be played on standard CD-players and computer with Windows operating system. More infos at http://www.universal-kopierschutz.de/ " FlatQuantum

05-11-2002	#35 (permalink)
ginsoakedboy New on Forum Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 8	CD protected w\ CDS200.0.4 3.0 build 12b flatquantum, I have a CD protected w\ CDS200.0.4 3.0 build 12b, aparently very similar to the one you have. My cd player reads it with the same player you had wich is installed when i inser the cd. Did you manage to rip your cd? Or to extract the audio files to your disk (that would be fine for me - i could then burn a cd....) And does anyone know how i can rip this. i was trying to avoid the marker trick, cause it's not my cd..... if anyone has an idea please post it or email it to me. !!!UPDATE!!!! Found a SOlution! Check this post: http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread....threadid=57385 thanx. Last edited by ginsoakedboy; 05-11-2002 at 15:56.

05-11-2002	#36 (permalink)
Ludwig van moza CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 80	ginsoakedboy, That depends on you drive. You can read a specific thread on that subject in this forum. In short : 1 : Plextor with Plextools 2 : EAC with other brands (expert mode, detect toc)

11-11-2002	#37 (permalink)
Ch5Micky CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: London, England (UK) Posts: 394	Thanx 4 all thes tips guys its a very interesting topic and a hard nut to crack. __________________ Regards Ch5 Micky

10-12-2002	#38 (permalink)
ritdan CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 72	EAC Dwnld EAC and selected settings as advised in coaster factory for reader (Sony) and writer (Plex 1210) Eac read wav files and sent them to folder. Now, does EAC also write the files ?? If so I couldn't figure out how so I used Easy CD creator to copy wav files. Did I do it right? Will eac take out a glitch automatically that was in this audio cd? Still learning-thanx

10-12-2002	#39 (permalink)
Upp3rd0G CD Freak Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: NL Posts: 2,108	EAC has a writing engine, but it is not as good as the rest of the program. It is usuable, but I always burn my EAC-extracted-wavs with Nero. __________________ You can help us to help you even better. You can help fund our research Please read the rules Please detail your problem... What info do U provide? Try our Search... function Please read this for more info on audio copy protections

11-12-2002	#40 (permalink)
ritdan CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 72	Burned it with cd creator, played and it seems to be ok, don't know about the glitch I had in one track wasn't listening carefully-we'll see. To use nero should I uninstall east cd creator (Plex) Thanx

31-12-2002	#42 (permalink)
Pio2001 CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 364	My experience with a nasty Doc.loc CD I was in holydays in my uncle's home, and he needed a backup of a doc.loc protected CD (Lagoa vol 11). None of his drives recognized the CD (there was an Asus burner between 32 and 46x, I don't remember the other CD ROM). Even EAC wouldn't read it, it was stuck in an endless loop, loading and loading the TOC. 1st trick (nothing new) CloneCD, inserting the CD after the program is started, successfully extracted the image. But the copy burned from this image was unusable ! The resulting audio CD was not recognized neither in the computer, nor in hifi players. 2nd trick : I had to rename the image.img file to image.raw, open it in goldwave, save it to wav. Then, the cuesheet was not recognized, so I had to update the filename, change the "BINARY" statement to "WAVE", and, the less obvious part, add a new line for track one : INDEX 00 00:00:00 that was missing (index 1 was at 00:10:00). At last Nero could burn it properly. __________________ No, I don't want to install Flash Player 6 !!

11-01-2003	#43 (permalink)
Wannez The Slutty Professor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,394	ASUS 616 and CDS200 After succesfull ripping Robbie Williams's Escapology with a Plex12TS, Plex40TS and Plex12/4/32 (using EAC), I tested the CD in my ASUS DVD616. And I must say, the results surprised me: autorun was enabled, so the cactus player loaded. This usually means the autorun fucked up the windows-cd approach, so it would be useless to even try ripping. Well, against any form of common sence, I loaded MusicMatch Jukebox. What happened: All 14 tracks were listed in the ripping window, with the correct tracklength. In fact, in any other ripping program I used, the tracks are listed like it was any other non protected audio-cd. I don't know if the Asus handles all protections that well, but the CDS200 (12b) that's used on RW's Escapology sure is. My other protected audio cd's (Key2audio and other CDS versions) are at my girlfriend's place, so I'll test them later with the ASUS.

12-01-2003	#44 (permalink)
[KFG] New on Forum Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 26	Thats right, it is an error in the copy protection. even when you push pause on tzhe player all the audio trakcs can be copied with the explorer __________________ CloneWare -> Yamaha CRW-F1 (FW 1.0d), PlexWriter 2410TA (FW 1.04), Pioneer DVR-A04 (FW 1.33) & Toshiba DVD-Rom SD 1712 visit the german DVD-Forum @ http://dvd-forum.ch.vu

29-01-2003	#45 (permalink)
Halcyon CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 469	Which copy controls distort audio Has somebody built a following matrix: Name of the Copy control system (including version number) Principle method of working (how it does it's magic) Does it cause distored (or altered) audio signal? How to circumvent it (software/drive/other)? An example CD employing this system? It would be really nice. I've been trying to find a single representative disc of each copy control system. I've only been able to Find Cactus 200 and Key2Audio (version unknown) locally. In some ways this is a relief, but I would like to get a sample of each of the following copy control mechanisms, to try them out for myself: Cactus Data Shield 100 Availability: - Cactus Data Shield 200 Availability: ++ Foo Fighters: One by One Kent: Vapen & Ammunition Alicia Keys: Songs in A Minor Massive Attack: 100th window (helmikuu) Paradise Lost: Symbol of Life Phil Collins: Testify Cactus Data Shield 300 Availability: -- Key2Audio Availability: ++ System of a Down: Steal This Album! Star Wars Episode 2 soundtrack Doc.loc Availability: - MediaCloq 1.0 Availability: -- MediaCloq 2.0 Availability: -- SafeAudio Availability: -- SafeAudio 3: MusicGuard: Duolizer: Coffeshop 4: If some of the above copy control mechanisms are old, dead & buried, then I don't want to spend my time on them. Can somebody help me to fill in the gaps by telling me: A) Which systems distort original audio data (e.g. overwrite original PCM data with noise and label them with P-codes). B) Which CDs could be a representative of a certain copy control mechanism (assuming I find the right pressing). Cheers, Halcyon

29-01-2003	#46 (permalink)
Upp3rd0G CD Freak Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: NL Posts: 2,108	A lot of the information you want can be found in the audio section of the German forum Brennmeister. Btw: to make such an ultimate list you need to remember: protections differ from pressing to pressing, from country to country, from continent to continent the outcome of the scan depends on the used drive, so you need a lot of drives because you don't know how the drive/firmware deals with non-redbook compliant cds you are never sure if you get the right information (for example: a drive may hide an illegal session, because it can't deal with it) audio protections come in a lot of versions, it is really hard to determine the minute differences __________________ You can help us to help you even better. You can help fund our research Please read the rules Please detail your problem... What info do U provide? Try our Search... function Please read this for more info on audio copy protections

01-04-2003	#47 (permalink)
lestodante New on Forum Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 5	Roxette Cd I have Roxette - The Pop Hits. I made a backup with clone CD.. It work well BUT.... all songs are damaged (scratch) al 9 second. During the ripping process, Clone told me about some sectors: reading sector n. #### failure 4 sector for each track! Someone can help me? Also this CD has a Player on the cd called wnmp.exe and dummy files on 2nd section.

09-04-2003	#49 (permalink)
Upp3rd0G CD Freak Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: NL Posts: 2,108	@oab Did you even read the article??? __________________ You can help us to help you even better. You can help fund our research Please read the rules Please detail your problem... What info do U provide? Try our Search... function Please read this for more info on audio copy protections

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