How to burn for my picky CD player? - Club CDFreaks

GorPort · 19-02-2003

I have a nice CD player in my main stereo (Cambridge D500SE, fwiw) but the ^&% thing has trouble with discs that work on every $20 boom box I've tried. It can't do anything with discs made using 'disc-at-once', and it can only get a grip on the first four tracks of anything if I use track-at-once. The burning speed doesn't seem to matter, I've tried everything down to 2X.
So the problem must be my burner (a Lite-on 48x24x48), the media (numerous, although it has no trouble with an ancient gold Hewlet Packard CDR I have. I'm not sure what it was burnt on though), or the software and settings (Nero or Furio). Since I can get it to half way work I figure there are some software settings I can tweak, probably something to do with how it individuates tracks...I don't know. Anyone?

*rdgrimes* · 19-02-2003

1) burn no more than 74 min on an audio CD
2) use either Verbatim DLP Azo-blue or Fuji (TY) media. you could also try Fuji audio CDR's.
The player may never play well with CDR's, it's a laser and reflectivity issue.

*ckin2001* · 19-02-2003

if you dont mind the cost, try cd-rw's.

froz3n · 20-02-2003

you might want to try using CD-Rs with gold dye. they're known to work on picky cd players as they reflect the reading lasers best. try it. it might just work.

GorPort · 20-02-2003

Okay, I actualy did try a verbatim disk, but I only picked up one, which I burnt TAO. It only works on the first track, which is a 45 minute classical piece.
I looks to me like the player will only be able to synch up with tracks in the first 15 or so minutes of a disk (if it can recognize it at all.) I guess what I want to know is whether that is a common or known symptom.
I also downloaded Nero CD Speed. The quality graphs for the Imation/CMC and the Memorex "cool colors" record-industry-extortion-compliant disks I have look like a heart-attack, and the Verbatim is a nice, fatal, flatline (or something.)
Anyway, with all of the settings Feurio has, there's nothing beyond slowing down the burn that I can tweak to make it less error-prone, or to make the tracks easier to find?

*minix* · 20-02-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by GorPort
Anyway, with all of the settings Feurio has, there's nothing beyond slowing down the burn that I can tweak to make it less error-prone, or to make the tracks easier to find?

No.
Writing quality depends on burner.

The only thing you could try is disabling power calibration, but that should produce worse quality, theorically:
Feurio CD-Writer -> Info -> Settings -> disable "Adjust power-calibration manually".
(See "Help" for that dialog)

Do you mean that CDSpeed reports good discs or bad?

I think you won't be able to do anything for that player.

GorPort · 21-02-2003

CD Speed shows the Imation and Memorex disks as bad and the Verbatim as good.
They all work on every player I've tried but the Cambridge, which gets some of them part way.
...Oh, and who makes gold disks?

*BoSkin* · 21-02-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by GorPort
...Oh, and who makes gold disks?

The Dye-type is called Phthalocyanine

Examples:

Mitsui Toatsu Chemicals, Inc. ATIP-Code: 97m27s55f

Kodak Japan Ltd. ATIP-Code: 97m27s45f

Ritek Co. ATIP-Code: 97m15s17f

Ramedia ATIP-Cde: 97m 24s 39f

FUJI Photo Film Co., Ltd. ATIP-Code: 97m 26s 45f

Acer Media Technology, Inc. ATIP-Code: 97m 22s 67f

PHP Code:

  In general, cyanine dye is the de facto standard; 

the Orange Book was written based on the original cyanine dye discs from Taiyo Yuden. 

Most CD-Recorders are optimized for cyanine dye. 

Cyanine discs are compatible with a wider range of laser powers.

 
Phthalocyanine dye has performed better than cyanine dye in accelerated age testing, 

and may work better in higher speed recording (which requires higher laser powers.)

 
However, all of these differences aside, it appears that IN MOST CASES, 

the two types of discs perform in essentially the same ways - 

it's at the extremes and in the worst-case scenarios where these differences appear most marked. 

There are many factors besides the dye composition that determine the quality of a CD-R disc.

Nebuchadnezzar · 21-02-2003

Hey GorPort

read my posts in this thread here, as well as some links I give ... it may be your discs (80min by chance...?)

GorPort · 21-02-2003

Thanks BoSkin. I'll keep an eye out, probably Fuji or Kodak will be the easiest to find, but according to the other thread cyanine is better.
Nebuchadnezzar: Why yes, all of the discs I've tried are 70min/800MB. I wish I'd turned up that post in my searching! Maybe it can be made a sticky. I'll have to hunt for some 650s too...looks like the 700s will be for data only. So the old pthalocyanine disc I have probably works because of it's capacity, not it's dye.
This is kind of interesting though, I burnt one of the (supremely cool looking) black discs from the colored memorexes with Feurio on 16X-constant linear velocity and all of the tracks except the last work (it's 71 min. total) Maybe the problem is too /much/ reflection in the narrow 80min groove . Or maybe it's using CAV...I'm not being very systematic about this.

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GorPort New on Forum Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6	How to burn for my picky CD player? <a href='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a13febf7&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE' target='_blank'><img src='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/avw.php?zoneid=30&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE&n=a13febf7' border='0' alt='' /></a> I have a nice CD player in my main stereo (Cambridge D500SE, fwiw) but the ^&% thing has trouble with discs that work on every $20 boom box I've tried. It can't do anything with discs made using 'disc-at-once', and it can only get a grip on the first four tracks of anything if I use track-at-once. The burning speed doesn't seem to matter, I've tried everything down to 2X. So the problem must be my burner (a Lite-on 48x24x48), the media (numerous, although it has no trouble with an ancient gold Hewlet Packard CDR I have. I'm not sure what it was burnt on though), or the software and settings (Nero or Furio). Since I can get it to half way work I figure there are some software settings I can tweak, probably something to do with how it individuates tracks...I don't know. Anyone?

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19-02-2003	#2 (permalink)
rdgrimes Retired Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Deadwood Posts: 11,449	1) burn no more than 74 min on an audio CD 2) use either Verbatim DLP Azo-blue or Fuji (TY) media. you could also try Fuji audio CDR's. The player may never play well with CDR's, it's a laser and reflectivity issue.

20-02-2003	#4 (permalink)
froz3n New on Forum Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 4	you might want to try using CD-Rs with gold dye. they're known to work on picky cd players as they reflect the reading lasers best. try it. it might just work.

20-02-2003	#5 (permalink)
GorPort New on Forum Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6	Okay, I actualy did try a verbatim disk, but I only picked up one, which I burnt TAO. It only works on the first track, which is a 45 minute classical piece. I looks to me like the player will only be able to synch up with tracks in the first 15 or so minutes of a disk (if it can recognize it at all.) I guess what I want to know is whether that is a common or known symptom. I also downloaded Nero CD Speed. The quality graphs for the Imation/CMC and the Memorex "cool colors" record-industry-extortion-compliant disks I have look like a heart-attack, and the Verbatim is a nice, fatal, flatline (or something.) Anyway, with all of the settings Feurio has, there's nothing beyond slowing down the burn that I can tweak to make it less error-prone, or to make the tracks easier to find?

21-02-2003	#7 (permalink)
GorPort New on Forum Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6	CD Speed shows the Imation and Memorex disks as bad and the Verbatim as good. They all work on every player I've tried but the Cambridge, which gets some of them part way. ...Oh, and who makes gold disks?

21-02-2003	#10 (permalink)
GorPort New on Forum Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6	Thanks BoSkin. I'll keep an eye out, probably Fuji or Kodak will be the easiest to find, but according to the other thread cyanine is better. Nebuchadnezzar: Why yes, all of the discs I've tried are 70min/800MB. I wish I'd turned up that post in my searching! Maybe it can be made a sticky. I'll have to hunt for some 650s too...looks like the 700s will be for data only. So the old pthalocyanine disc I have probably works because of it's capacity, not it's dye. This is kind of interesting though, I burnt one of the (supremely cool looking) black discs from the colored memorexes with Feurio on 16X-constant linear velocity and all of the tracks except the last work (it's 71 min. total) Maybe the problem is too /much/ reflection in the narrow 80min groove . Or maybe it's using CAV...I'm not being very systematic about this.