I doubt Apple will they realize how big of a rippoff it is and prefer not to scam people.

Well it's not a scam but it's very shitty.

I posted on this board only 9 times. If you would take the time and read these posts you would know what the right tools are.

Anyway one more time.....

1.) Soundcard: Audiotrak Maya44 MKII

2.) Program: MuvAudio / http://www.muvaudio.com/

This is the last time that I post these things. I am being already accused of "spamming" by some members.

Take care!

whats so special about the Audiotrak Maya44 MKII sound card? compared to audigy boards ro equivalent.

software wise tunebite seems to work good... im using teh soudn card that came on my DFI SLI-DR board and i do get a noticeable loss of quality.

Read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is $15/mo for unlimited downloads onto your iPod a ripoff or a scam? That what Napster To Go costs. And since when does Apple care about its customers?

Sorry. I definitely have been taking the time to read this very long and extremely useful message board for months. I hate real time conversion and anxiously await the next conversion "discovery" a la Virtuosa and MMJB 6.1. So please excuse me for needing a reminder.

I can not change the fact that you "hate" real time conversion.
But the fact is that "realtime conversion" is the only thing that works for now.
You can keep hoping for a fix while I am converting everyday.

Real time conversion is the ONLY thing working, as others have said. Don't hope that your wait for your new conversion "discovery" will pay off how you expect it to. You're most likely going to find out via an online forum... so will the people who update the DRM protection. It will be very short-lived.

Does anybody know if real time recording can ever be patched? I'm just curious because I see them patching everything BUT this. Is it possible to patch real time recording?

The answer is......No.

I checked the program documentation out. They say you can transfer WMA files to the ipod but they must be converted to mp3 by a conversion program first. Then they add that "purchased music" usually can not be converted due to copy protection.
So nothing has changed. Guess I'll continue to buy CDs or check them out from my local library.

You could always use a program like Napster (for free) and just pay .99 cents :-P

You sound as though you are not happy with real-time recording maybe one should do more research to find a solution to the problem. I myself find it not bad at all sounds just like orignal it's what you use to record it. I use SB LiveWare via [What you Hear mode]. And after it's recorded & you play it back I can't tell any diffrence at all. [What you Hear mode] records in digital right from what it hear's on the card so there is really no diffrence. I'd say it's probably better then using a microphone or your line in jack. It seem to be the best bet at this point because it's legal and your sound is pretty crisp when you use [What you Hear mode]. It records every single tone , beat everything i hear everything.

What are you talking about? Where do I sound unhappy with real-time recording?

"Skull" is lost LOL

This is true, but if I'm going to pay, I had rather buy the CD. Then there is no question about "sounds as good as the original".

digitallica-
You're pretty confident that real time recording can't be "fixed," and while I agree with you, Microsoft has been in talks with hardware companies to develop DRM compatible sound cards. It seems that they will stop at nothing. Also, while real-time does work, it will never be an exact copy of the original, nor is it as fast as a digital conversion.

But we've already talked about all of these points! I, for one, vote that we finally get off the realtime vs. digital debate, and actually get down to getting things done!!!

badastronaut27-
Yeah, I use Quintessential Player, and it used to convert the files!!! Before Napster came out with the N2GO service, I used it to unprotect songs a family member had downloaded from Walmart - it was slow, a little buggy, and it took up all my CPU power, but it worked! I checked it a few days ago, however, and it would no longer convert the same files. I suppose MS really did patch it.

So here's my question: why can't someone here back-engineer the plugin to allow us to play it? If we had a custom fix, it would be much harder for the DRM folks to fix it.

Also, here's another thought - why don't we work on creating an "output stacker" for Windows Media Player, like we used to use in WinAmp? That way, at least we would have a true digital copy, even if it was realtime.

I have to say that although I understand the allure of subscription services and of pay-per-download services like iTunes for those who only want to listen to select/hit tracks, I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would pay $0.99/track or $9.99/album or whatever to buy an entire album. The cost difference between that mid-fidelity download and the real album, with artwork and full high-fidelity isn't large enough to justify the download. Heck, the physical CD can often be purchased for less in a B&M store or used.

this is what we call a troll. Please do not respond to this post.

1) It would seem to me that "old" Virtuosa used a single DLL to access protected WMA files. Somewhere in that file must be the certificate, which was eventually revoked by Microsoft. 2) It also seems necessary for the certificate that Windows Media Player used to be stored on your hard drive somewhere. 3) Could someone figure out how to extract the certificate from Media Player and use it to replace the certificate in "old" Virtuosa's DLL fooling the DRM server into thinking Virtuosa is really Windows Media Player?

At least that's what I would do if I knew how.

From what I read there are encryption key's that are exchanged maybe these certificate's you are talking about get updated with new encryption keys??? I use to program satellite stuff so I might be able to help with some stuff. Has anyone tried the new winamp plugin for Wave_Out and did it allow you to record the protected wma's?

Can't you just not update your sound card and/or purchase one that Microsoft hasn't influenced in any way or will they have an influence on all sound cards?

Also, where did you hear about them talking with hardware companies to develop DRM compatible sound cards?

I also read on TuneBite that re-recording your music is completely legal, so wouldn't Microsoft be taking away one of your legal rights with your music?

If you dont wanna lose sound quality why dont you try VIRTUAL AUDIO CABLE,Thats what i use, it might take you a little more work, but the result is great.

As to your first question, yeah, you can just not buy one. As to your second, here's the article from the register:

"Efforts are underway to block such tricks by integrating DRM support into the sound chip itself, in effect leaving the decryption process to the very last moment before the digital audio data is converted into an analog sound wave. But that still leaves the speaker output capable of being recorded."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/02...ter_to_go_drm/

Like I said earlier, however, I'm not against analog rerecording (and yes, telaensarto, there are ways to do it at good quality), but the title of this thread is "How to burn or CRACK protected WMA files." That's what we're focusing on here - the software, MMJB and WinAmp style fixes.

With that said:

It looks like the same folks who brought you iOpen and the rest of the iTunes DRM workarounds are (or at least were as of last month) close to breaking the WMA DRM as well. Anyway someone could work with them/build on their ideas to break the Janus style DRM as well?

Check out this article:
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/cmusings/2005/04/14

Now we are talking.......

That's exactly why I recommend the Maya 44 MKII card.
If you would check out the "DirectWire" feature you would notice that it routes the sound without cables.
If anybody finds a better soundcard for digital recording in the $100 range please let me know.
But I doubt it.

[quote=mashugly]Like I said earlier, however, I'm not against analog rerecording (and yes, telaensarto, there are ways to do it at good quality), but the title of this thread is "How to burn or CRACK protected WMA files." That's what we're focusing on here - the software, MMJB and WinAmp style fixes.

Well, well, well...........
This forum is about "How to burn or crack protected WMA files?" and that includes real time recording as well and not just "MMJB and Winamp style fixes"
And here is another thing.......
All I've read so far on every forum about this matter are some bogus "rocket scientist" suggestions or utterly bullshit.
I am not trying to be insulting, but at least I am presenting a working solution while everything else here seems to be more "hoping" than facing the facts.

Wake up buddy, the MMJB Days are over!!!!!!!!......No offense.