Hi, guys

We all can make perfect CD-DA clones using EAC, but i have found nothing about copying CD-EXTRA disk with the same approach...
So we need "EAC" and ?
Has anybody tried to do it?

I personally learned that:
1. CloneCD works great, but we need burn test-cdrw (or mount clonecd img with tool such daemon-tools) to rip it back again and "compare wavs.." in EAC before real burn. But if original cd scratched and old... (
Anyway, offset correction is impossible in this case.
2. We can't add CD-TEXT copying that way.
3. Simple scheme: "Rip in EAC - Burn with open new session - copy session 2 in windows explorer" works great but result is "similar" but not copy... (at least Hybrid FS info is lost after this "copy").

I'm playing with IsoBuster 1.5 now, but it seems to just unable to extract 2nd session at all... (ver. 0.99 was able, afaik)
Any ideas?

PS
Okay, to make things more clear:
I think the main problem is to rip session 2, and burn it after audio tracks, making our copy is sector-to-sector identical to original cd. How can i do it?

This is a good point.
And have you ever tried to copy a mixed-mode CD (one DATA track followed by one or several AUDIO tracks) offset corrected? Then you have a similar problem.

I don't know if it works for CD-Extra, since I haven't tried this yet.
But in the case of a mixed-mode CD I've read the whole CD with CloneCD to get the subchannels and the first data track and ripped the audio tracks with EAC to get the offset-corrected data.
Then I replaced CloneCD's audio part within the file with the one from EAC. The good thing is that audio files have always the same filesize, no matter which offset you get.

I don't know if such a created CD (from the resulting image) is 100% standard conform with the subchannels - but it works for me - except the fact that my PlexWriter PX-W1210S changes its write offset when recording in DAO-RAW mode from -30 to something around 1206 ...

Maybe you can repeat my test with your CD-extra?

What we need would be a CloneCD with an option to change read/write offsets. ClonEAC

I've just tried to copy a mixed-mode CD, but as in case of CD-Extra i get *.ccd, *.img and *.sub files only. Probably my CloneCD (4.0.1.10) has other version that yours?

Also I've tried to add cd-text into *.ccd manually, but after test with cd-rw disk i've found no cd-text burned.
very pitty

Now I'm gertting older IsoBuster version, since 1.5 works very strange. It even can't read CloneCD images.

The only way I've found to make a copy of CD-Extra disc:

1. rip audio-tracks using EAC (add cd-text if you want before this) and create *.cue file;
2. launch IsoBuster (or any other with ability to read free sector ranges),
-right-click "session 2" choose "extract from-to"
-click "end address (lba)"
-reduce its value by 2 sectors
-click "user data (2048..."
-click START extraction
2. burn 'step 1 cue file' with your favourite software, leaving disc open.
3. burn 'step 2 image file' with your favourite software.
I used CDRWin on this step:
-go to "file backup and tools"-> choose "record an iso9660 image file"
-enter 'step 2 image file' name or path
-choose "disc type - CD-ROM XA" and "track mode - mode 2"
-check "finalize/close..."
-uncheck "write postgap"
-click START.

The only difference between original cd and its copy is subchannel data (cd-text) as i can guess...

But what the hell those 2 sectors means...???

Does your CD extra you want to copy already contain CD-text?
Or are you going to add CD text manually (original CDs with Text are pretty rare)?

The CD-text is stored in the R-W subcodes within the Lead-In area, so you won't find any text data in CloneCDs sub files (in opposite to CD+G where the subcodes R-W are used over the whole disc). But maybe you find something with Trumans unique CD-tool

Maybe you can replace CloneCDs *.img audio part (until the data track in the 2nd session starts) with the one ripped by EAC?

The Cdrwin method works very well, but you won't end up with a 1:1 copy, like you've said already.

In my honest opinion, that's exactly the reason why I don't like multisession CDs, at all.

For me, it is a paradoxical situation to record a multisession discs in just one session (Disc At Once mode), you know what I mean?

Does your CD extra you want to copy already contain CD-text?
It doesn't, of course.

But maybe you find something with Trumans unique CD-tool
Ok, I'll try it

Maybe you can replace CloneCDs *.img audio part (until the data track in the 2nd session starts) with the one ripped by EAC?

I really have no idea how to paste wav data into hex *.img file... can you tell me a bit more about it?

In my honest opinion, that's exactly the reason why I don't like multisession CDs, at all.


Me too, however we need backup them, right?

For me, it is a paradoxical situation to record a multisession discs in just one session (Disc At Once mode), you know what I mean?

We should develop some kind of software, that can burn such images in one go, but using SAO+SAO method instead of DAO.

@CD-Text: Yes, sorry. My mistake. Your intension is to copy a cd extra 1:1 (at least sector-identical) and refine it with some text, which doesn't affect the actual integrity.

Wave data is nothing else than hex *.img data (if we want to call it that way) with a 44 byte wave header added.

In EAC's compression options menu you can enable 'Do not write WAV header ...', which will give you RAW PCM files without any header. This is exactly what CloneCD writes into its *.img files.
Copy the audio range of the disc and then replace that data with the one included in CloneCDs img file.

I suppose that recording CD-Text with your recorder is no problem if the original disc already contains the text, right?
So could you please give me some more details, what you have edited in your ccd file?

Thank you for details about replacing audio data, but now i'm not going to go further that way. It seems to be 100% working, but it's a bit more complicated than EAC+"sector copy". (imho)

I suppose that recording CD-Text with your recorder is no problem if the original disc already contains the text, right?
Contains or not, it's always succesful. I just can't remember when was last time i've burned cdr without it.

what you have edited in your ccd file?
I've read original cd twice, using CloneCD and then EAC, in one image, with cue-sheet (with added cd-text info).
Then i've mounted that cue file as drive (d-tools) and started reading that image using CloneCD, and after it has made ccd file, i canceled reading.
As i suppose the only difference between first ccd (orig. cd) and second one (cue image) is session 2, i've pasted all needed lines from second file into first one (all lines CDTextLength=xxx [CDText] Entries=... before [Session 1])
Then i've burned this image with modified ccd file.
But now i'm not so sure was it successful or not, since i've discovered that Nero and EAC both are unable to read cd-text from cd-extra discs. A bit later more details.

PS i have A1900+/KT266A (ms native drivers)/WinXPpro (no SP)/Toshiba SD-M1612 reader (SS)/TEAC CD-W540E 1.0F writer (SM). Also i've got forceASPI17 and D-Tools 3.41 installed.

CD-Text was not properly written as a result of straight copy and paste from one ccd file to another one.

Nero refused to see cd-text data at all, but IsoBuster and Feurio both was capable to display it. It has some repeated entries, one track lacks artist info and so on.

But i've just discovered a real bug in EAC: it can't read cd-text from any CD-Extra disc, at least with my hardware (or software).
My EACs version is 0.95 prebeta3

Can anybody check this out?

What the heck are you trying to do?

EAC is an audio ripper, it sounds to me that you are trying to make a rip of the AUDIO and DATA but want to rebuild the entiire CD? EAC is never going to rip any data tracks (WRONG format).

Just use Alcohol 120 and make a 1:1 copy, if you want to rip it use EAC (Audio copier NOT a data one)

For data ripping use ISObuster.

Then rebuild the disc in Nero, it will write CD Text but your burner must also be capable of doing that.

@audiocopy

We know that EAC is intended for audio tracks only

But why not combine the advantages of both worlds (EAC's offset correction / error detection and CloneCD's 'feature' to write data tracks?

Oh that's what he meant, true it would be a nice feature surely wouldn't hurt.

I haven't see EAC updated in a while now.