I think you can copy CPPM files with no problem. The problem is that they will not be playable once they are off of the original disc. Isn't it true that you could use Windows Explorer to copy movie files from a CSS encrypted DVD to your hard drive? But yet these files were no good.

Good luck and not sure what burner you are using but make sure and use some good media!

This is exactly what happens to me.

ET

For my tests I used a BenQ 1640 and Verbatim TY DVD+R with a CD-DVD speed quality score of 98, so burner/media should not be a problem.

ET

I guess that was a dumb statement to make to a moderator at CD Freaks!

Well, not really... when I said "the copy only plays in my DVD-Video player (a cheap Amstrad) but not on my Pioneer" one could reasonably think of a media issue.

Regards,

ET

UPDATE: I received the DVD-A today, and tried to copy, but without success.

Regards,

ET

That sucks, How did you try to copy it?

ISO image using DVD-Decrypter, and also drag-and-drop of the AUDIO_TS folder.
Don't worry however, it doesn't matter.

Regards,

ET

There is a way to backup a DVD-A disc with success... You must first install windvd 5, 6, or 7. Then use a tool called DVDARipper. This is a command line utility, and hooks in with the windvd software while its decoding the aob files and outputs unencrypted files to the specified folder... you can then use whatever tools you normally use to copy the video_ts folder, and add the decrypted audio_ts folder to the compilation and burn. Obviously you will require the original dvd to do this, so the copy protection is still pretty good...

Yup! I downloaded the tools when they came out on RareWares...and if I remember correctly, soon they were forced to remove them (for obvious reasons ). I haven't tried them yet because I have more than 10 CDs of PowerDVD (bundled with the various retail drives I bought), but no WinDVD.

Thanks bob1029.

ET

I tried to get the tools also but I was too late.

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I've got those tools, PM me if you still want 'em!

I have also got the tools, v099f (last version made public as far as I know). For testing I have ordered a DVD-A album (Fleetwood Mac - Rumors, which as far as I know is protected) and some DVD+DL discs. I will try and get it going and post instructions. I think the guide would have to be closed however, unlikely though it may be I would not like to get in trouble.

Anyway, I doubt very much I can get it to work.

Thanks!

I also have the tools, so if b_42 isnt online and I am I will be happy to send you them. I have dvdaripper_099f, ppcmripper_007 and DVDAExplorer_a7. As far as I am aware these where the last released versions of the tools.

They are the same releases. Haven't tried them yet. I don't have WINDVD on anything yet. Is there a guide out?

No, but I plan to write one if all goes well. I will have to see if my Fleetwood Mac disk is watermarked, and if not write one guide for that. I will wait untill dvda-author supports 6ch WAV to write one regarding copying of watermarked DVD-As. Unless anybody knows of any 6ch WAV > DVD-A software around. In which case please post it! As I am not aware of any non-commercial MLP encoder it would have to be resampled from 96/24 to 48/24 to compensate for it being uncompressed (MLP 96/24 is 1/2 WAV size, as is 48/24 WAV half 96/24 WAV size, so 96/24 MLP is *roughly* 48/24 uncompressed WAV size). Even if you where to have a DVD5 and burn the uncompressed 96/24 WAV to a DVD9 DL disc to allow it to fit you would still have the problem that 94/24 WAV is around 13MB/s, way above max DVD bitrate of around 10MB/s. Also as MLP varies and is not exactly half you may not get it to fit anyway, depending if MLP compressed over 50% Therefore the only option I see is to resample to 48kHz. I could allways do a guide on how to convert the watermarked DVD-A to 5.1 44.1kHz DTS CD audio discs however, I don't know how much other people would want that, but I would certainly find it very useful.

From what I have read over at doom9 the 24-bit is what most people can here the improvment on, as it is still debated if people can here much above 48kHz. I struggle to here the difference between 44.1kHz 48kHz 16bit audio. Maybe it is because I am young, I read somewhere that younger people have less sensitive hearing, if there is any truth in this I do not know.

Are you talking about converting the pcm to wave? Wave lab will render up to 8 channel pcm at various bit rates.
Audio formats
From wave lab 5.
Also what are you talking about "watermark" I haven't seen that.

"Steinburg Wavelab 5 DVD-A Authoring" says it can do it ""Steinburg Wavelab 5" says it can do it with 96/88.2kHz files, so I will have to try with 48/24 files. Anybody know of any other software capable of authoring DVD-A multichannel? dvda-author currently only supports 2ch.

Watermarked DVD-As are protected in such a way that if a copy is detected it will stop playing 30 seconds into the song. Apparently ppcmripper can bypass this, but dvdaripper can't.

Ben

I see I have copied a few that I just copied the dvd-A portion and they play fine. but I haven't listenen to all.
Are you
Why do you want to downsample to 48/24?

Apparently some DVD-A are watermarked, so just copying the files with dvdaripper doesn't. From what I have read you have to convert to WAV and then re-author to rempve the watermark. If you don't it will stop playing after 30 seconds. I was sayiong about downsampling to 48/24 because the output WAV would be uncompressed and not MLP compressed (avg 50% comrpession) so the bitrate would be too high if left at 96/24, it would also take up too much space on the DVD.

Ben

@ bcn_246
I have used Diamond cut Productions products for years. DCart 32 through DC Millenium. I Am going to upgrade to DC 6 here in the near future but found a new product they are making for DVD-Audio creation.
http://www.tracertek.com/discwelderbronze.htm
I am going to contact them Monday. I believe this might be what you and I are looking for. I have used Wave Lab but it is a bit involved process to Create a DVD-Audio with it. Although the results are great. I am hoping that Disk Welder might be a but more user friendly.

I have just tried Steinberg WaveLab 5 and found it to be very capable of making DVD-Audio disks from 16 bit 6ch WAV files. I havn't yet been able to try any 24 bit files.