Audio Protection's - Club CDFreaks

billymoore · 08-08-2003

I was wondering about how could i know which kind of protection an audio cd uses?
And how they works...
I have an original copy of Jane's Addiction, "Strays", last cd and i think it's the one with an empty space in the middle of the cd...

Could u plz explain me "how it works"?

Thx In Advance Ppl
Big Ups
Have a Good Life

*Namoh* · 08-08-2003

Look at the cover or/ and use ClonyXL and Scout to check the protection.

billymoore · 08-08-2003

i couldnt get clony working properly... i think it's a "copy protected cd"...
what should i do?

billymoore · 08-08-2003

sorry "copy controlled"

*ckin2001* · 08-08-2003

i'd try ripping with eac - just because it usually works. im unsure about how the protection works, and i'm not yet inclined to pick up a copy of strays

*gene_simmons* · 09-08-2003

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billymoore · 10-08-2003

i used the nu version of Easy CdDa Extractor... thx a lot

xed · 12-08-2003

If it says "Copy Controlled" on the CD, it is usually Cactus Datashield 200.

If you own a pretty modern Plextor drive, you will have no problems ripping it with Plextools Professional. Simply tell the software to use "Single Session". This will ensure CDS200 doesn't confused your PC with a corrupted TOC and allow you to view all the audio tracks properly.

First try to rip the CD using EAC, if it hangs or rips extremely slow (like 30+ minutes), then use PlexTools Digital Audio Extraction tool to rip the tracks (with error checking turned down or off).

Next, check for clicking or popping on your ripped tracks, especially near the beginning of the track around 9 seconds. If you are hearing dropouts that shouldn't be there, you will have to re-rip the tracks again at a much slower read speed (e.g. 4X or 8X). In PlexTools, there is an option to slow down the drive. This should eliminate all the noise created by CDS200 introducing fake error checksums in the data stream.

If you are the proud owner of a Plextor Premium CD-writer, you can probably get away with just using EAC on the copy protected (CDS200 at least) "CD", it is capable of handling most of the tracks on a corrrupted CDS200 CDs I own at full ripping speed.

billymoore · 12-08-2003

thx but ive a liteon

*roadworker* · 14-08-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by billymoore
thx but ive a liteon

Use another reader then.....LiteOn doesn't work with my CDS 200 protected cd...

*Chriso* · 19-08-2003

If you have a LiteON 40x or above (with recent firmware on the 40x and possibly the 48x, the 52x can cope with CDS200 e.t.c. straight out the box) then you should have no trouble ripping the tracks with EAC.

Halcyon · 20-08-2003

In my esperience, I've had to limit the rip speed manually to max 4x on LiteOns (or older Plextors) in order to rip CDS200 later revision protected audio discs withou any gaps at the c. 9-10 second from the start of each track.

You can do this manual set with Nero Drive Speed (it seems to works IMHO more reliably than the setting in EAC, for some reason).

Plextore Premium has no trouble ripping CDS200 discs at high speed. No manual speed limit is required.

*Chriso* · 21-08-2003

I agree that lower speeds are necessary when ripping CDS200, but the models I listed tend to be good at ripping protected music CDS (albeit at 4x).

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xed New on Forum Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 7	If it says "Copy Controlled" on the CD, it is usually Cactus Datashield 200. If you own a pretty modern Plextor drive, you will have no problems ripping it with Plextools Professional. Simply tell the software to use "Single Session". This will ensure CDS200 doesn't confused your PC with a corrupted TOC and allow you to view all the audio tracks properly. First try to rip the CD using EAC, if it hangs or rips extremely slow (like 30+ minutes), then use PlexTools Digital Audio Extraction tool to rip the tracks (with error checking turned down or off). Next, check for clicking or popping on your ripped tracks, especially near the beginning of the track around 9 seconds. If you are hearing dropouts that shouldn't be there, you will have to re-rip the tracks again at a much slower read speed (e.g. 4X or 8X). In PlexTools, there is an option to slow down the drive. This should eliminate all the noise created by CDS200 introducing fake error checksums in the data stream. If you are the proud owner of a Plextor Premium CD-writer, you can probably get away with just using EAC on the copy protected (CDS200 at least) "CD", it is capable of handling most of the tracks on a corrrupted CDS200 CDs I own at full ripping speed.

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billymoore CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 47	thx but ive a liteon __________________ You Don't Need A Weatherman To Know Which Way The Wind Blows Bob Dylan

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Chriso CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Liverpool, England Posts: 2,066	If you have a LiteON 40x or above (with recent firmware on the 40x and possibly the 48x, the 52x can cope with CDS200 e.t.c. straight out the box) then you should have no trouble ripping the tracks with EAC. __________________ Videos of me playing piano, would be nice to have feedback from you all! [23:49] <Chriso> !seen Boobies [23:49] <JuPiLeR> I found 430 matches to your query; please refine it to see any output. OS: openSUSE 10.3 and Windows XP SP2 PSU: Enermax Liberty 400w - Modular Mobo: Jetway V266B CPU: AMD AthlonXP 2000+ RAM: 256MB Crucial PC2100 + 512MB Corsair Value Select PC2100 HDD: 120GB Maxtor ATA133 8MB Cache + 320GB Western Digital "RAID Edition" ATA100 8MB Cache Gfx Card: NVIDIA GeForce 6200 passive cooled Sound Card: SB Live 1024 DVD-ROM Drive: Asus E-616 CD-RW: LiteON 52246S DVD-RW: NEC ND2510A in external Firewire enclosure (Prolific chipset) USB2 Card: ALI chipset (got an NEC chipset one waiting to go in) Firewire Card: Not sure of chipset...but it seems to work D-Link Network Card My old Voodoo 3 2000 PCI has now retired, still in perfect working order though! Get Firefox! Join CDFreaks

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Halcyon CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 479	In my esperience, I've had to limit the rip speed manually to max 4x on LiteOns (or older Plextors) in order to rip CDS200 later revision protected audio discs withou any gaps at the c. 9-10 second from the start of each track. You can do this manual set with Nero Drive Speed (it seems to works IMHO more reliably than the setting in EAC, for some reason). Plextore Premium has no trouble ripping CDS200 discs at high speed. No manual speed limit is required.

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Chriso CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Liverpool, England Posts: 2,066	I agree that lower speeds are necessary when ripping CDS200, but the models I listed tend to be good at ripping protected music CDS (albeit at 4x). __________________ Videos of me playing piano, would be nice to have feedback from you all! [23:49] <Chriso> !seen Boobies [23:49] <JuPiLeR> I found 430 matches to your query; please refine it to see any output. OS: openSUSE 10.3 and Windows XP SP2 PSU: Enermax Liberty 400w - Modular Mobo: Jetway V266B CPU: AMD AthlonXP 2000+ RAM: 256MB Crucial PC2100 + 512MB Corsair Value Select PC2100 HDD: 120GB Maxtor ATA133 8MB Cache + 320GB Western Digital "RAID Edition" ATA100 8MB Cache Gfx Card: NVIDIA GeForce 6200 passive cooled Sound Card: SB Live 1024 DVD-ROM Drive: Asus E-616 CD-RW: LiteON 52246S DVD-RW: NEC ND2510A in external Firewire enclosure (Prolific chipset) USB2 Card: ALI chipset (got an NEC chipset one waiting to go in) Firewire Card: Not sure of chipset...but it seems to work D-Link Network Card My old Voodoo 3 2000 PCI has now retired, still in perfect working order though! Get Firefox! Join CDFreaks

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