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Old 19-03-2005   #101 (permalink)
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Re: InCD/DirectCD - warning

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I had Roxio's CD Creation product suite. I never liked it.

I recently got Nero 6. It seemed much better except for one thing. When I instructed it to continue a .iso file it recognized new files (and would "add" them) but was not able to recognize files that had been changed (and never would "replace" any file).

I contacted Nero and was told that if I ran their Driver-CleanTool.exe and their RegistryChecker.exe it would solve the problem. Driver-Clean was not able to get rid of drivers: CDR_2k or CDRALW2l. When I contacted Nero they said to contact Roxio. Roxio is impossible to get through to...(its one of the worse companies I've ever had to deal with). Add/Remove Programs doesn't list the Roxio products. (Win2000 OS)

What do you recommend I do now?

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Hum, this is tricky. I see 3 solutions:

- Get a registry cleaner from Roxio. But as you said they do not react. :-(
- Manually remove their drivers from registry and from the hard disc. But this is risky if you are not familiar with the driver part of the registry.
- Re-install the whole system ( :-( )
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a) Would it be appropriate to ask this forum if anyone has a registry cleaner from Roxio? (It's not like asking for functional software.)
b) I'm willing to go for the driver removal. Anyone know of a source where I can learn to do so safely? (remember, Operating System = Win2000 Pro)

c) Anyone have any suggestions for better CdWriting/Orderly Backup Software? In my experience (experience which includes hosing the whole system because of a badly written install program - followed by an unwillingness to send out a CD with the corrected software 2 weeks later when the solution was discovered and I'd reformatted the drive) Roxio software is among the worse around.

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a) i have no clue...

b) neither on this... i learnt it myself, on my own.... 1999-2002... 3 years of messing with computers... naaah.. not really...

d)i've used several Burning/Copying programs... and the most reliable one i had was (and still) NERO!!! but about making backup copies of files on cds!! i usually use Winrar 3.40 !!! i create these incridibly compressed and even highly Ultra copmpressed Solid Archives to store my data and get them split onto CDs... u can also store them without compression but make them split to fit in CDs...

but about the REAL backup programs... i can advise you of Nero BackItUp.... my Friends have been using it for quite a long time... and as i knew from them.... no problems 'till the moment

'hope i helped in a way or another...
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Hello,,

I found that using XP that you have a cd burn capability within..(thanks BG)..
Nero's INCD is not compatible with the XP Driver software, ( roxio ezcd), you can find the bad guy ( if you are going to continue using INCD ) in the ADD/REMOVE of control panel, and then remove that driver. OF course if you wish to restore you can use your XP cd to install that portion again . This is related to the XP Pro, I don't know about XP Home. but it could be the same.
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Re: InCD/DirectCD - warning

yes i think the XP home cd writer was some third pary thingee...can't remember the name but it clearly did not look like a microsoft program in the add/remove programs. i uninstalled that before i ever installed nero and things are great but it did not help problems with InCD which I have disabled as a service (uninstalling will ruin your XP home system).

a note on backup systems, inmho Acronis True Image is still the best even if it is plagued with USB incompatibilites which makes it a little flakey with usb external hard drives/devices.
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a note on backup systems, inmho Acronis True Image is still the best even if it is plagued with USB incompatibilites which makes it a little flakey with usb external hard drives/devices.
Thank you for your reply..
In reference to the InCD, I have found that you must have good media in order for the app to work.. What I mean to say is,, I have found that CD-RW's purchased have defects.. Take a flash light, or other bright light and shine it through the CD-RW.. by looking at the opposite side you will see pin holes of light, only on the defective ones. I check every CD-RW right out of the Box before I use them to see if those holes are present.. Even one hole I don't use.. To make a long story short, a friend of mine purchased some CD-RW's at an unbelivable low price.. He was making coasters.. started looking for answers and just by chance we decided to see if the media had been scratched, and found the pin light holes.. end of short story.

Now back to the Ghost vs Acronis True Image.. I did not see in the Acronis any ability to recover from CD/DVD if in fact the hard drive/or OS was not bootable or operable... maybe I missed something...

To me, to recover a complete disaster, a program with no need of installing the operating system and the recovery software, is absolutely neccessary.. Curently Ghost provides that ability.. PowerQuest Drive Image also but what a pain. I now think that Symantec has purchased PowerQuest and made the Ghost impovment as the file structure of Drive Image appears not to be changed in the Ghost app.

I finally received a post from Symantec, from (India), stating that Ghost had not the ability to reformat the used CD/DVD RW's which were used in their Backup feature and that I am to acquire a third party package to do so... That stinks I think... If you wish to see his/her post, I will forward it via email to anyone who requests it.

I am still looking for a cd/dvd RW format program to restore the CD/DVD RW's to blank/factory condition, I have not been able to get Nero Erase, Or InCD Erase to work on those specific cd/dvd's.

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effgjamis,
Thanks for the CD-RW tip. I guess the same applies for DVD+/-RWs - look for holes.

As for Acronis TrueImage, the program allows you to create a boot CD and use this to boot up the computer. Then you can restore an image of the OS partition previously backed up on another partition or hard disk. No problem at all.
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As for Acronis TrueImage, the program allows you to create a boot CD and use this to boot up the computer. Then you can restore an image of the OS partition previously backed up on another partition or hard disk. No problem at all.
Thanks for that info.. I shall check out the Acronis app,, what is the latest version that works. ..I would take it that you can re-use the CD/DVD RW's.. Am I correct in that thought?????... I thought I may have one, but it is Version 8 for Linux.. Not running Linux currently. still in the big learning curve for linux.

I am still looking for a cd/dvd RW format program to restore the CD/DVD RW's to blank/factory condition, other than nero and InCD as they don't seem to work for me. .

Have a great day and thanks for your information, this ole peep really appreciates that assist.
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I am still looking for a cd/dvd RW format program to restore the CD/DVD RW's to blank/factory condition, other than nero and InCD as they don't seem to work for me. .
i think u can ask about Verbatim's SERL, SERL+, and TeRL CD-RWs... cus as Verbatim say, the SERL/+ gets to its former state again after a full erase, and guarantees a 1000 rewrite of a TERL disc... well, i have a Hi-Speed SERL CDRW myself, it's quite wonderful.... u can see it after a full erase... u can see a spiral starting fom the center and out.. after few minutes, it all gets back to a perfect even shape ... i really like it.. and with a low c1 and rare c2 errors as always... combined with my lity
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hey Headquarters84

Thank you for your reply..

However, I am not looking for MEDIA, which is good to know the better ones, but am looking for the Program which can Format the Media to the Factory/blank state so the cd/dvd rw can be used again. Once Ghost has used the RW's, I can read them but I cannot use them again.. therefore they are coasters..unless I find a way or program to format them..

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Dear effgjamis,

All recording software worldwide use the same command set to speak devices: the MMC command set. Nero and InCD offer you all the options of erasing from this command set. If it isn't working with Nero nor InCD, it won't erase with any other software because they will just issue the same command as we do to the device.
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Dear effgjamis,

All recording software worldwide use the same command set to speak devices: the MMC command set. Nero and InCD offer you all the options of erasing from this command set. If it isn't working with Nero nor InCD, it won't erase with any other software because they will just issue the same command as we do to the device.

Thank you for your reply..

I thought that perhaps that the formating software was different in the manner of which it actuall performed the function of format, (not the physical format itself) but you cleared that up for me.. My Thanks.

If I may be so bold to ask: Taking into account that the CD/DVD is not physically damaged, what would cause the formating program to fail, after,, 5 %, 15% 25% or 28%???? these percentages are from different RW's.. all of which were new when used in the Symantec Ghost Image backup. Ghost V9...

Thank you and please advise..
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The formatting is indeed different. I though you spoke of erasing earlier?!?

However, assuming that you are using legacy CD-RW (not MRW), the physical format will be 95% of the activity of format, and again bound to the MMC command set, so with little or no variation between the various recording software available. A failure between the percentage you gave seems to reflect a hardware incapacity to format. Have you attempted to update your firmware and have you got from your manufacturer a list of officially supported media for your model of recorder?
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Thanks for that info.. I shall check out the Acronis app,, what is the latest version that works. ..I would take it that you can re-use the CD/DVD RW's.. Am I correct in that thought?????... I thought I may have one, but it is Version 8 for Linux.. Not running Linux currently. still in the big learning curve for linux.

I am still looking for a cd/dvd RW format program to restore the CD/DVD RW's to blank/factory condition, other than nero and InCD as they don't seem to work for me. .

Have a great day and thanks for your information, this ole peep really appreciates that assist.
Acronis True Image 8.0.774 for Windows works well for me, so I guess later versions should work well too. The CD/DVD RWs will be reuseable, no problem with that. There must be something wrong with your CD/DVD writer if you can't erase or format the CD-RWs.
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Have you attempted to update your firmware and have you got from your manufacturer a list of officially supported media for your model of recorder?
Ah Ha ......
I have not updated two of the recorder's, and I think the one which gave me the % errors was the one which had not been updated. It is a Toshiba Combo DVD-ROM/CD-RW SD-R1002. My other recoder is a Toshiba DVD/CD sd-r5372.

I shall go, and see if I can find a firmware update to the SD-R1002, as the SD-R5372 is current with TU55..

Thank you very much..
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Acronis True Image 8.0.774 for Windows works well for me, so I guess later versions should work well too. The CD/DVD RWs will be reuseable, no problem with that. There must be something wrong with your CD/DVD writer if you can't erase or format the CD-RWs.
I have looked in the Documention which accompanied the software and I find nothing on removing the image on the hard drive after the burn.. In fact when I start the burn to a NEW DVD+RW (toshiba sd-r5372) I get a full disk message.. with a code of E00040004 ... This issue most likely should be in a different thread/topic,, but..... sure convenient at the moment..

great reply and I thank you..

I have the True Image 8.0.791. and I will be, hopefully to find, the firmware for the Toshiba SD-R1002 ... mfg 2000, it is only going on 5 years in age..LOL
Just maybe cdfreaks may point me to the firmware if Toshiba's not available or found.


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Hi Folks!
I've been using InCD for the latest 3 years and after to lost about 2 Gb of precious data I gave up to use it. Recently I updated the InCD for the latest (May 2005) version 43111. I run Wix XP Pro + SP1 + SP2 and all updates. After to close an InCD recording session, suddenly the CD-RW becomes unreadable. All data simply disapeared from the disc! I tried everything to recover the data but I was not able to. Packet writing softwares may be a clever idea and practical. But on my opinion it is unreliable to store any serious backups. I lost (on the past) 3 CD-RWs packed with precious data which simply disapeared from the discs. I won't use this packet writing softwares anymore, and I strongly suggest you do not use it too!

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Hi:

I lost 3 CD-RWs packed with very precious data recorded as InCD UDF package writing. The CD-RWs are not readable anymore by my Yamaha CD burner and the LG DVD/CD burner. Can you suggest me some tools in order to recover that precious files? You mentioned "CD Roller"and "Isobuster" . Can you send me their URLs adresses?
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Isobuster 1.7 can be downloaded from http://www.smart-projects.net/isobuster/ and CD-Roller from http://www.cdroller.com/. Personally, I never had to use these tools because I don't trust PW software. Although I use InCD routinely, it's only for immediate backups, never for archiving purposes, and there are always copies on other media (hard disks, CD-R, DVD-R). If important data need to be archived, I place them on CD-Rs or DVD-Rs. This way, I can use InCD to make rapid backups and still have peace of mind.
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Born Loser, thank you very much for your kind reply! I will try that tools. Hope they work and I learnt my lesson well. NEVER more store back ups on PWs.
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Re: InCD/DirectCD - warning

I like to know if the problem of relability is still the same if:

- you use a DVD-RAM formated in Fat32
- and you write on it via explorer under Windows XP (with the native DVD-RAM driver provided in XP)
or with a DVD-RAM driver like this one:
http://www.cdrlabs.com/files/DVD-RAM-XP.zip

In this case of a Fat32 DVD-RAM is the writing process via explorer still a "kind of packet writing" mode ?

Maybe it is easier to recover data from a Fat32 ?
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There's some info in these links about DVD-RAM and packet writing:

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Revi...9931&PageId=18
http://www.maximumpc.com/reviews/opt...003-03-31.html
http://www.informit.com/articles/art...&seqNum=6&rl=1
http://www.gearsoftware.com/support/...ion/primer.cfm
http://www.genesysdtp.com/index.htm?dvdram.htm

I have never used DVD-RAM discs because they are so much more expensive than DVD-RWs, so I cannot comment on the reliability. However, they are supposed to outlast all the other types of discs.

My experience with Fat32 on hard disks is that the data is more prone to corruption than on NTFS disks. Corruption often happens after a system hang, especially when data is being written to it. I reckon the same logic might apply to DVD-RAM discs formatted in Fat32, but I don't know whether it is easier to recover data from Fat32 than NTFS.
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I lost 3 CD-RWs packed with very precious data recorded as InCD UDF package writing. The CD-RWs are not readable anymore by my Yamaha CD burner and the LG DVD/CD burner. Can you suggest me some tools in order to recover that precious files? You mentioned "CD Roller"and "Isobuster" . Can you send me their URLs adresses?
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ok, i have another solution for u, find some one who owns a Lite-on CD-RW , and give him the CD's, and i'm sure it will read them with no problems at ALL, i have one myself, and til the moment it has NEVER made a mistake with PW software, the errors were always made by the other drives, my Mitsumi, NEC, LG, and the laptop's Toshiba drive, the disc becomes readonly, and in many cases UNREADABLE, or reads as empty, but, my Litey can always read them back with no errors at all.. maybe u can get urself a litey??

LTR-52327S is recommended
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Is normal mode to start Nero from inside the directory by clicking on the .exe file ?
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