I think, I made a small mistake with this drive and I should have bought the 8x version, that's the question I'm gonna ask you!


Bought the 411s, which was in fact the new 451s made in november03. tried the DVD+RW included with the burner. K-Probe showed somewhat high PIPO rates, but ok. Thats RW. burned the +RW in 4x, fast.
had to buy a -RW to test on my standalone DVD. despite the package saying only 2x, the liteon burned it with 2,4.

it's possible to let nero show you the real burning speed, instead of the chosen one.

bought 10 platinum DVD+R, from RiTEK Corp. PI at a aver of 14.x, PO often somewhat under average of 0.8 to 0.1. burned 8 of them. no coaster, problems, unreadable sectors or files. ok. medium is about 1,50 here in germany. so it's cheap, reliable whichs shows K-Probe and PIPO, and 4x fast.

the included Ricoh had some high PI in the beginning, was ok, too. but the platinum showed better results.

burned some CD-R, 70min take about 3 minutes. fast.

haven't tried DVD-R, cause I don't inted to use them.

great drive, ok. so far.

I've been testing that drive, reading and I'm thinking about returning it to an 8x DVD+R.

so there are: plextor and LG, which are to expensive (around 200 E here). Sony and Pioneer I don't care, cause I here nothing about them. the new NEC2500. has some great specs, 32 burning, 8x DVDR,4X RW. around 150 E. and the Liteon 8X. which isn't as fast as the NEC2500.

so, cause I had good results with the 4x 451s both CD and DVD, the 8X is abit longer on the market than the NEC2500, and I don't like NEC cause everyone has a NEC1300A here in germany (*g*), I'm thinking about the 8x LiteOn.

Burning time with the 4x was around 15:xx Minutes, shown with ner. Is the 8x really to be at 8 or 9 minutes per DVD+R ?

I don't want to be sticking with 4x DVD+R, just, because I save'd 20 euros.

we left 2,4 media, 4x media are being better and I'm sure 8x will come soon.

should I return?


alex

I would think that the 4x is fine for now, 8x really isn't that much of a difference for now, unless you are planning on burning like 100 discs a week or something like that. I would hang on to what you have, because dual layer burners are coming out in the spring, and you dont want to upgrade twice in 6 months do you?

Yep, 8x is app 9 min. Ritek has some dvd+r 8x out first thing in 2004. From many cheap brand dvd+-r i think the Platinum (Ritek02) are very good

I mostly write audio stuff so Pioneer 106 is kool as a backup dvdr but worth nothing to me for audio 12-16x. I got the LDW 811S and i like it so far. Got some That's Write *RICOHJPNR01* and they write @ 8x but not all discs work properly in standalone. Those for data back-up are fine. 8x is cool if you need a lot of backups fast, otherwise the 411 is as good with cdr as the 811 i suppose.

I switched my 411 to a 106 the very same day i got it and bought 811 a few weeks later.

Dual layer burners will only burn at 2.4X initially. That's a long time to wait for a full 9GB disc. They will also be more expensive. I decided to get an 8X(811S) now along with my 4X(411S) I can burn my Memorex DVD+R 4x discs at 8X. It is much faster. I have no desire to wait well over an hour to burn a DVD-9 disc. When they increase the speed for the Dul layer burners by next Christmas I'll probably give my self one the for the holidays. Now if the price is only around $130 or less I would jump on it, but I would suspect that the dual layer burners will be over $200. Right now the 811S is only $140 shipped and the 411S is $120 shipped.

I just installed the drive I picked up from best buy, which I thought was a 411, turns out its a 451S.... should I be concerned?

you have nothing to worry about with the 451s model drive, it is essentially the same drive as the 411s, only it has a different pickup mechanism. It features the same fast and accurate burning, and excellent compatibility with cdr media.

pphew. I just got thru looking @ my recpt from bestbuy (kuz of the $50 in rebates) -- wanted to make damn sure that I'd gotten what I thought I'd gotten. The recpt still says 411s. Go figure.

As long as it's just as good a drive, I'm happy.. kuz I did my research here b4 buying

-bp

that is what I have been hearing. If you look carefully at the box, it never says 411s or 451s, it just says 4x dvd burner. The upc symbol is the same for both drives, which further supports the fact that the 451s is simply a replacement for the 411s, the pickup is different, but it is essentially a revision to the older model. The rebate should go through fine.

Just like the Sony 500a versus 500ax debate. Eventually they unified the firmware they were so similar. I hope they fully support both drives and add the new features that come up like minus x8 burning. So far mine has been OK and should get way better with all the updates, people reworking firmwares for better media support and bit setting and others.
I got a nov 03 811 here.

Hi Guys,

To continue on a few prior posts I made here...in summary I've got(had) 2x 411s drives, along with an HP300i, 2x Plex708A and a Sony 510a. Both 411s never were able to make god (aka complete burn& verifies...regardless of trying 5 or 6 media brands.

The same exact physical media burns fine in all other drives. I even moved the 411s to 4 different PCs and tried Nero 55x, 6x and the bundled Liteon SW...nothing worked.

This weekend I took back the 411s (Oct 2003 dated) and got 2x 451 (dec 2003 dated). Now, everything works well!!!!!!! No, I didn't run kprobes or similar tests! These tools can be useful, but a "good" quality drive has to (more or less) work with most branded media...If all my other drives work with media XXX, then Liteon should too. Yes, I';m a techie too...but once a product goes "mainstream" it either works or doesn't.

The only lingering issue (still with the 451's) after lot's of testing is that sometimes after a number of Read/Write/Erase cycles with Memorex (the only one I tested) DVD+RW media, the 451's will stop being able to do a FULL ERASE using Nero...giving a "ASPI/SCI error"...which is a false message. Simply by swappinmg the drive out for a Plex 709A on the same PC, the Nero fullerase completed and the 451's again could use the disk!

Whether this is a Nero or Liteon bug is not clear at this point. The Memorex DVD-RW seems to be a Ricoh Japan disk.

Comments???????????

...sorry...of course I meant using a Plex 708A (npot 709A)!!

Seems like my typing S_cks today!

Question: Should someone with some home CD-burning experience using TDK Velocd +Nero 5.5 (that would be me!) install a Lite-on 451S DVD-RW drive+Nero 6? Are there still problems with this drive regarding firmware and conflicts, or are people somewhat happy now?

I was planning originally to buy a Plextor or TDK DVD-RW drive, until I found the price of the 451S too cheap to ignore, what with the good things I THOUGHT people had experienced with LiteON products. Now, I am unsure if I should return unopened, or just take the plunge. Opinions, comments, critiques?

Thanks

PS: Oh yeah, Windows xp, 1GB ram, pentium 4, blah blah blah

the positive experiences seem to outweigh any bad experiences. I am very pleased with the performance of my 451s at this point in time. It has done everything I have asked of it, without problems or complaints.