sony d11 media @ 8X

Hi, this is Verbatim DVD+R 16X burned@12x using Sony DW D22A@1653s CS0T FBDX.
Do you see that inner circle? It's totally unreadable beyond that. Not even DVDSpeed is able to finish the test. Any idea what the problem might be? I've come to idea to try this FW out today so I did a few burns with it. 8X is OK, 12X seems to suffer from this issue. Is it a fault of the drive?I did EEPROM reset
EDIT
did another 16x burn right now. no line appears. no reading problem.

i get the same problem when i burn at 12x with the FDBX firmware. i brought it up before but nobody seemed too concerned but i don't get the line at 16x and i get 6min burns at 16x all is good!!! any word on the read fix for the 1653 drive??

Yes, the line appears only at 12x speed. I reverted back to normal firmware because both FBD and FBDX did the same.

I created a data disc in Nero using CS0T FBDX and the first two scans show how it went.

Then I switched back to CS0P and did the same thing (see the last two scans)


Why are the burn curves so different? I mean I never had these sudden gaps in speed with CS0P.
And why does CS0T FBDX produce higher PIE so suddenly (around 1GB)?

I'd like to know whether I should continue using CS0T FBDX or stick with CS0P which I found to be the most reliable firmware so far.

Just to add, I can see a ring on the disc recorded with CS0T FBDX

Those are recalibration (WOPC) points. It's the drie checking the quality of the disc & making adjustments on the fly (the X represents quality, and quality is what WOPC is helping with.)

It just happened because the drive recalibrated; you will notice, however, that the drive overall produced a better quality score with slightly less PIE and slightly more PIFs (but the PIF never go over two). This just seems to be a quality of the drives, both old and new.

Well, unless the are where the noticeable ring is makes the disc unreadable, and the disc quality doesn't degrade, then it is safe to say that a ring makes no difference. Other users have reported the quality is not affected; however, some do say that the quality takes a turn for the worst. And as for CS0T vs. CS0P...it's more of a personal preference. I prefer CS0T FBDX over CS0P.

EDIT: Also, notice the jump in PIE comes at the first recalibration point. This is the area where the drive would normally reach 8x; with the Fast Burn firmware, however, you notice it reaches 8x a lot sooner, and the drive has to set itself up so it doesn't use an improper laser power, among other things, for the remainder of the burn. (Imagine: the disc remains at 8x rotational speed--which slows down to stay at 8x--but the laser power is set to 16x, where the drive keeps a constant rotational speed--it is possible that the burn would fail or the disc would be unusuable; if the drive sets itself up to finish at normal 8x strategy settings, it will likely finish without errors.) It just happens that the 8x strat for the disc with this firmware produces a different PIE pattern. Notice: the maximum PIE for your CS0P firmware is much greater (and more mountainlike) than the max PIE for CS0T FBDX.

Thanks for this analysis
Then I gues I'll give CS0T a few more tries on some other media too.

By the way, what does this green scan line represent (the one in the PIE window)?
And also the faint one in the bottom of "Creating Data Disc" screenshot

espresso, the first two relinks in your FBDX burn scan are actually buffer underruns. This jump in PIEs is a bug in the 1653S firmware, which sometimes occurs after a relink. Your non FB scan could just as easily have done this if the same buffer underruns had occurred.

How can a buffer underrun happen just like that by itself? Especially if hard disk isn't feeding the buffer like it does when you burn some actual data.

Should I mention that I wasn't doing anything at the time of creating these burns?

Can the CSOT FBD/FBDX be used in a 1213S@1653S? The codeguys website just says 1633S and 1653S.

Yes it can. Any 3S drive up to the 1653S (1213S, 1613S, 1633S, 1653S).

One more question. Should I apply the recommended tweaks in OP 2.4.4 to CSOT FBDX? The date on the recommended tweaks is earlier than the firmware, that's why I am wondering.

Thanks!

Most of the media it affects is now getting hard to find, but there is no harm in applying it if you want.

i applied 1633s@1656s csot fbdx.
i bought the drive less than a month back.( i know it is an old model but the market here is scarce on liteons)
thank you guys for the community support u provide. i bought a liteon only bcoz of u people. Using packet writing ( i know its not recommended but so is crossflashing wth beta firmware LOL), i found that the dvd i had burnt using BSO stock firmware burnt the media darker( i am talking about the written area of the disk on visual inspection).After i used the 1633s@1656s csot fbdx, the same media (not finalized) is burnt lighter.
is that good or bad? i cant post the pics as i dont hve a camera
Also, is it possible to add support for dvd-RW DL media which 1633s natively does not support with firmware write strategies/ crossflashing?
i have only burnt 4 dvd-R disks yet with packet writing speed ( i dont know the exact speed as i didnt use nero) and my hard disk is slow, full, fragmented 5400 rpm, 1.5ghz p4 processor with 256kb L2, 256mb sdram (i know i need serious upgrades)
btw, the red led fix is a breathtaking experience.
thank you all.

It appears my SOHW-1693s flashed with codekings ufb2 KS0B formware gets along well with these Verbatim DVD+R MCC 004. I'm very pleased with the quality and speed of burn. The Lite-On produced a 5:57 burn time with very good quality. You can see my PX-716sa scan with borderline burn quality and a 6:17 burn time. Although a 313 PI Peak in will more than likely playback without an issue. Not really what I expected while using a media on the "suggested" list!

I figured I'd use these MCC 004's due to them being on Plextor's suggested media list for the PX-716sa. It however appears the 1693s really shines with them! Now that I've found these Verbatim's at a local Officemax here, I plan on sticking with these to get good consistent burns each time. I mainly use the 1693s in my workstation for burns and the px-716sa in my server for reading.





Noted: source is the same dvd-video image for each burn

Anyone else have a similar experience with their drives?

Regards, Estranged

I just bought a retail brand new 1673S for 20euro,after a local store final sold out.

-I'm going to crossflash it to 1693S an I'm looking forward for best firmware. The drive will be used only for DVD ripping ,media scans,and CD burn.
After search forum,KS0B FBDX firmware look best,but in codeking site,there is also the KCB4 fw for better quality,which some past post suggest it,only if burn DVDs at rated speed,but this fw looks like better for CDR burning,due cause less C2 errors.-KS0B FBDX is newer fw than KCB4,so if there is any problem burn CDRs,is that improved ?-Any overall opinion which firmware is best for latest media ?

Gary Kokkin, none of the patches for the 1693S have any effect on CDR burning.

FBDX is for faster DVD burning with the possibility of lesser quality, whereas KCB4 is aimed at better quality DVD burns but some drives can produce the odd PIF spike.

Thanks for your reply and your nice work .
I will try both firmwares with first choice will be FBDX as most famous.

Hi C0deKing,

I am having problem choosing the exact patch to use for my problem. As I am very much a newbie, I will be very much grateful for your help in this regard.

My LiteON DVDRW SOHW-1633S came with the OEM firmware called BGS4, which is not detecting Maxelle's new DVD-R 16x media (Nero says "Illegal Disk" when requesting to burn).

So, could you suggest which crossflashing patched firmware of 1653S CS0T would be best for me (FB, FBD or FBDX)?

Thanks in avdance.

Regards,
Saiman

Hi saiman and welcome to cdfreaks.

Backup your firmware using our Flash Utility and then try this firmware first:
http://codeguys.rpc1.org/firmwares/d...d-cf-mcled.rar

It's just patched to allow crossflashing and to give you a multi-color LED (man I miss that). See how this works first and then you can try the FBDX version and see if it's any better.

hi, im new to the forum.
I updates using the 1653 fbdx, which is the best media right now for this firmware thats been reported?

does this also raise the burn speed for dual layer disks ?

Hay guys, I finally find this site, and decide to upgrade my 1213S TSD1 LiteOn...
Do you recomend firmware for 1653S?

Yes, the latest 1653S firmware CS0T is your best bet for your drive. Just backup your EEPROM and firmware first, and then you can always restore your drive to how it is now, before the crossflash.

I did it!!! It works fine!!

I didn`t back-up old firmware.

thanks guys!