411s with poor PI score at end of DVD - Club CDFreaks

tutifruiti2 · 04-04-2004

Hi

I would like to know if the problem i am encountering is because i am inexperienced in DVD burning (have only burned 3 DVDs so far with my 4-day-old Liteon 411s) or is it because I am using unreliable blank DVD+R.

Here are my KProbe graph.

1) Data backup using nero 5.5.10, I am unable to read the last burned files on my DVD reader, but of course am able with my DVD burber.

2) Data backup using nero 5.5.10 again, again I am unable to read the last burned files on my DVD reader.

3) DVD movie backup. I applied 5% compression on the movie file using DVD Shrink prior to burning. I used Recordnow v4.6 pxengine 507. My DVD player is able to read most of the movie, but can't at the end of movie.

PLEASE Help! You can email me directly if you want: frankieubc (a.t) hotmail.com. Any Canadian on this forum? What media available in local store (futureshop. staples, price club...) do you use?

I am using 4X TDK DVD+R media ( DVD+R:CMC MAG-F01-000 ) bought in a Price Club (Canada). There are 15 of them in the cakebox.

I have updated the firmware to FS0J (I read it was a good one for DVD+R burning)

Frank

tutifruiti2 · 04-04-2004

I forgot to say that I burned them at 2.4X

*pinto2* · 04-04-2004

Realy BAD media... Why.... se the attachment...

Sold as Memorex DVD+R 4X. Burned with fw FS0J (bitsetting) @ 2,4X
Kprobe stops @ 69%... unreadable...

Code:

0000 : 01 0f 01 00 00 03 00 00  00 26 05 3f 00 00 00 00   .........&.?....
0010 : 00 00 01 43 4d 43 20 4d  41 47 00 46 30 31 00 38   ...CMC MAG.F01.8
0020 : 23 54 37 10 02 48 71 02  8c 69 16 16 0b 0b 0a 0a   #T7..Hq..i......
0030 : 01 1d 1e 0c 0c 12 12 01  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   ................
0040 : 01 00 38 38 02 28 64 31  05 30 22 10 08 20 1c 01   ..88.(d1.0".. ..
0050 : 00 00 02 28 64 31 05 30  22 10 08 20 1c 01 00 00   ...(d1.0".. ....

Code:

Media Information                            
Region information                                    N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID                                    CMC MAG F01
Format Type                                                      UDF 1.02
Volume Name                                       PROG_Data
Application id                                                     
Implementation id                                          AHEAD  Nero        
Recording Date/Time (mm/dd/yyyy)                       3/27/2004  0:59:06
Format Capacity                                            4.31GB(4.63GB)
Book Type                                                         DVD-ROM
Media Type                                                          DVD+R
Media Id Code Speed                                         2.4x 3324KBps
Data area starting sector                                          30000h
Data area end sector                                              22822Fh
Linear Density                                                0.267um/bit
Track Density                                                0.74um/track
Number of Layers                                                        1

*rdgrimes* · 04-04-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by pinto2
Realy BAD media... Why.... se the attachment...
Sold as Memorex DVD+R 4X. Burned with fw FS0J (bitsetting) @ 2,4X
Kprobe stops @ 69%... unreadable...

[

Not really, works great in the right burners:

NEC-2500 @4x:

Burned at 8x in LiteOn 811S:

Burned at 8x in NEC 2500:

tutifruiti2 · 04-04-2004

since these media works well with the 811s, do you guys think i would have better result by upgrading my 4X 411s to a 8X 811s using the described technique on this forum?

Frank

*rdgrimes* · 04-04-2004

tutifruiti2
Please read the Kprobe thread and the PI/PO thread. You are scanning incorrectly, which makes it impossible to compare your scans with those of others.

Upgrading your drive to an 811 won't fix hardware problems, but you may find a FW version that likes the CMC more. Burn one at 4x instead of 2.4x, and scan one correctly and check back.

*pinto2* · 04-04-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by rdgrimes
Not really, works great in the right burners:

NEC-2500 @4x:
------------------------
Burned at 8x in LiteOn 811S:
------------------------
Burned at 8x in NEC 2500:

It´s not only about "right burners"...

Same data as above, burned and scanned on 411@811 (Zmod V4). Nero 5.5.10.54
burned @4X

*pinto2* · 04-04-2004

Quote:

It´s not only about "right burners"...

Same data as above, burned and scanned on 411@811 (Zmod V4). Nero 5.5.10.54
burned @8X..., Kprobe stops at 65%, unreadable!
Burned and scanned a week ago.

*pinto2* · 05-04-2004

And...I don´t think there is something "wrong" with my 411 on fw FS0F.

Same data as above. Burned and scanned @ 4X. (DVD+RW) Sold as Traxdata DVD+RW 4X.

**Anybody that wanna upgrade 411@811, join this forum: speedlabs.org

tutifruiti2 · 05-04-2004

HI

thanks for the replies. I have posted the new scans, they have been properly done this time. Pi/PO sum =8

I can't burn at 4X, after reading speed check Nero recommends that I burn at 2.4x. My hard drive could be very fragmented and I am not daring defragmenting a 160 gigs drive with only 10 gig of free space... I have produced 1 coaster earlier by burning at 4x.

Refer tp the pics on my original post
Scan 1: I can't still read the last file (500 megs) I burned on that DVD using another DVD-ROM. This is a full-loaded DVD: 4.5 gigs

Scan 2: I can actually read all the files. The Scan looks ok, but it is because the DVD isn't full: 4.0 gigs

Scan 3:
I can't watch the last 10 minutes of the DVD movie i have backup with stomp Recordnow max.

Could somebody be kind enough to tell me his choice of DVD+R (prefer + R) brand AVAILABLE at Futureshop/staples/other big office supply stores in Canada. I don't want to order dvd media online!

F

*pinto2* · 05-04-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by tutifruiti2
HI
Could somebody be kind enough to tell me his choice of DVD+R (prefer + R) brand AVAILABLE at Futureshop/staples/other big office supply stores in Canada. I don't want to order dvd media online!

I would like to help you out... but I´m living in an other part of the world.

Hey all Canadians, help this guy...

*rdgrimes* · 05-04-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by tutifruiti2
[b]HI
I can't burn at 4X, after reading speed check Nero recommends that I burn at 2.4x. My hard drive could be very fragmented and I am not daring defragmenting a 160 gigs drive with only 10 gig of free space... I have produced 1 coaster earlier by burning at 4x.

This is an issue that must be dealt with for many reasons.

Quote:

I can't watch the last 10 minutes of the DVD movie i have backup with stomp Recordnow max.

You may well be looking at more than one issue here, as you error rates (as posted), arent'r "super-bad". Player compatability isn't always a burn-quality issue.

Many LiteOn burners will only do well using good quality media, for +R stick with Ricoh 4x +R, available anywhere under a variety of brands. Maxell, TY and MCC are alternatives that always work well.
The CMC 4x media (+ and -) is very under-rated media. It' very consistant, and burns with high quality in many burners. Some burners do have trouble with it, but that doesn't make it bad media. IMHO it's one of the best values for media out there in the "average" quality range.

tutifruiti2 · 05-04-2004

Thanks you so much for the help! I'll play safe and only burn max 4gig for the rest of my DVD+R media.

Sweet I'll get these Rioch then! There is a sale 10 for 15CAN$ (11 USD)

*Ssseth* · 05-04-2004

This media should work good in your burner as well.

Oswald · 05-04-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by Ssseth
[Future Shop link.]

I have a feeling if you buy it in-store you'll get Maxell 4x (like the picture), but if you buy it online you'll get Maxwell 2x (like the text).

*code65536* · 05-04-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by Oswald
I have a feeling if you buy it in-store you'll get Maxell 4x (like the picture), but if you buy it online you'll get Maxwell 2x (like the text).

But 2x +R doesn't exist--the slowest +R/W is 2.4x.

And even if you do get the 2.4x version, it'll be RICOHJPNR00 media, which I have heard reports of burning nicely at 4x. Of course, 4x on the R00 isn't officially supported by the firmware, but, eh, that doesn't seem to stop people.

rua_rednecks · 05-04-2004

wesociety did a great job with the NEC troubleshooting guide in the NEC forum.

NEC Troubleshooting

If you read the guide many of the same solutions apply to liteon drives. In my case I was having the exact problems as tutifruiti2 is having except different media code. For me uninstalling Intel Application Accelerator did the trick and I could burn the entire disk and have it play completely in my player.

Edit: Fixed link

Oswald · 06-04-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by code65536
But 2x +R doesn't exist--the slowest +R/W is 2.4x.

Sure thing.

It's just that it reminded me of the Simpsons, when Bart wonders why he has brittle bones, then notices the cafeteria is serving "malk" instead of milk (due to budget cutbacks).

Anyway, enough of my sad attempts at humour. On with the KProbe scans!

*code65536* · 06-04-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by rua_rednecks
For me uninstalling Intel Application Accelerator did the trick and I could burn the entire disk and have it play completely in my player.

It's interesting how many posts that I see around here telling people do dump the IAA. I'm just curious if IAA problems are very common because I'm using IAA, and I haven't had any problems yet... Anyone know?

*Stoner* · 06-04-2004

Great scans RDG. Been using HS0K lately, burning at 8x w/ the Memorex 4x DVD+R. Got no prob playing them on my Sony set top and 166S. But the the PI could be better. Gonna flash to HS0P tonight and try again.

BTW, to whoever's keep yelling "it's not the drive", look at your drive. It's not an original, don't expect so much.

*rdgrimes* · 06-04-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by code65536
It's interesting how many posts that I see around here telling people do dump the IAA. I'm just curious if IAA problems are very common because I'm using IAA, and I haven't had any problems yet... Anyone know?

It's generally ASPI-like problems where hardware and software do not communicate, unrelaible burns or slow transfer speeds, etc. Much the same symptoms as Nvidia IDE drivers cause. It's not universal, but also not uncommon.

Just curious, have you been able to document any positive effects of having IAA installed? benchmarks and such?

*code65536* · 06-04-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by rdgrimes
It's generally ASPI-like problems where hardware and software do not communicate, unrelaible burns or slow transfer speeds, etc. Much the same symptoms as Nvidia IDE drivers cause. It's not universal, but also not uncommon.

Just curious, have you been able to document any positive effects of having IAA installed? benchmarks and such?

Nope. Because I've never tried my system without it.

So I have nothing to compare against. I never really thought much about the fact that I have IAA because it's never caused problems. Came with my Intel mobo, and I said "what the heck" and installed it. Do you think that I'll be better off dumping IAA?

*rdgrimes* · 06-04-2004

Quote:

Do you think that I'll be better off dumping IAA?

Well if it ain't broke.......

Dunno really, do some ATTO benchmarks on your HD's and try it both ways. I've always heard that IAA is just smoke and mirrors, but being an AMD fan, I couldn't say.

tutifruiti2 · 06-04-2004

Burned a DVD movie image (.img) file using Stomp Recordnow 2.5 507 with my same TDK DVD+R 4x (CMC MAG F01) media (supposively faulty). Then made 2 scan with Kprobe: one at 2x speed and the other at 3x. You can compare the 2 pictures and tell me what speed i shall I use to make my scans since I actually burned my DVD+R at 2.4X

1) TDK DVD+R 4x (CMC MAG F01), Kprobe at 2x

2) TDK DVD+R 4x (CMC MAG F01), Kprobe at 3x

----

3) Data compilation (4.3 gigs), using Nero 5.5... Bitsettings (DVD-ROM). 2.4X burning speed. Used Maxell 4X DVD+R media (RICOHJPNR01) bought at futureshop today! Scan was made with kprobe at 3x. This is bad....

Should I start to suspect that my Liteon 411s is faulty since my scans with either TDK and Maxell medias looks alike? What should be my next step? (change firmware), Which one should I choose?

Thanks you so much guys. This is such a ressourceful forum

Frank

tutifruiti2 · 06-04-2004

forgot to say that I am not using IAA. Thanks for the suggestion though

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tutifruiti2 CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 45	411s with poor PI score at end of DVD <a href='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a13febf7&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE' target='_blank'><img src='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/avw.php?zoneid=30&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE&n=a13febf7' border='0' alt='' /></a> Hi I would like to know if the problem i am encountering is because i am inexperienced in DVD burning (have only burned 3 DVDs so far with my 4-day-old Liteon 411s) or is it because I am using unreliable blank DVD+R. Here are my KProbe graph. 1) Data backup using nero 5.5.10, I am unable to read the last burned files on my DVD reader, but of course am able with my DVD burber. 2) Data backup using nero 5.5.10 again, again I am unable to read the last burned files on my DVD reader. 3) DVD movie backup. I applied 5% compression on the movie file using DVD Shrink prior to burning. I used Recordnow v4.6 pxengine 507. My DVD player is able to read most of the movie, but can't at the end of movie. PLEASE Help! You can email me directly if you want: frankieubc (a.t) hotmail.com. Any Canadian on this forum? What media available in local store (futureshop. staples, price club...) do you use? I am using 4X TDK DVD+R media ( DVD+R:CMC MAG-F01-000 ) bought in a Price Club (Canada). There are 15 of them in the cakebox. I have updated the firmware to FS0J (I read it was a good one for DVD+R burning) Frank __________________ HP A1310N desktop AMD Athlon 64 3700+ 2.2ghz 1Gig Ram Windows XP Pro SP2 LITE-ON DVDRW SHW-160H6S CS07 (came with manufactured HP desktop) SmartBurn:ON Hypertuning:OFF Overspeed:OFF Bitsetting:ON Liteon 411s@811s HS0K patched (shelved) Benq DW1640 fw BSKB (shelved)

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tutifruiti2 CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 45	I forgot to say that I burned them at 2.4X __________________ HP A1310N desktop AMD Athlon 64 3700+ 2.2ghz 1Gig Ram Windows XP Pro SP2 LITE-ON DVDRW SHW-160H6S CS07 (came with manufactured HP desktop) SmartBurn:ON Hypertuning:OFF Overspeed:OFF Bitsetting:ON Liteon 411s@811s HS0K patched (shelved) Benq DW1640 fw BSKB (shelved)

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tutifruiti2 CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 45	411s to 811s since these media works well with the 811s, do you guys think i would have better result by upgrading my 4X 411s to a 8X 811s using the described technique on this forum? Frank __________________ HP A1310N desktop AMD Athlon 64 3700+ 2.2ghz 1Gig Ram Windows XP Pro SP2 LITE-ON DVDRW SHW-160H6S CS07 (came with manufactured HP desktop) SmartBurn:ON Hypertuning:OFF Overspeed:OFF Bitsetting:ON Liteon 411s@811s HS0K patched (shelved) Benq DW1640 fw BSKB (shelved)

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tutifruiti2 CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 45	new kprobe scans HI thanks for the replies. I have posted the new scans, they have been properly done this time. Pi/PO sum =8 I can't burn at 4X, after reading speed check Nero recommends that I burn at 2.4x. My hard drive could be very fragmented and I am not daring defragmenting a 160 gigs drive with only 10 gig of free space... I have produced 1 coaster earlier by burning at 4x. Refer tp the pics on my original post Scan 1: I can't still read the last file (500 megs) I burned on that DVD using another DVD-ROM. This is a full-loaded DVD: 4.5 gigs Scan 2: I can actually read all the files. The Scan looks ok, but it is because the DVD isn't full: 4.0 gigs Scan 3: I can't watch the last 10 minutes of the DVD movie i have backup with stomp Recordnow max. Could somebody be kind enough to tell me his choice of DVD+R (prefer + R) brand AVAILABLE at Futureshop/staples/other big office supply stores in Canada. I don't want to order dvd media online! F __________________ HP A1310N desktop AMD Athlon 64 3700+ 2.2ghz 1Gig Ram Windows XP Pro SP2 LITE-ON DVDRW SHW-160H6S CS07 (came with manufactured HP desktop) SmartBurn:ON Hypertuning:OFF Overspeed:OFF Bitsetting:ON Liteon 411s@811s HS0K patched (shelved) Benq DW1640 fw BSKB (shelved)

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tutifruiti2 CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 45	thanks! Thanks you so much for the help! I'll play safe and only burn max 4gig for the rest of my DVD+R media. Sweet I'll get these Rioch then! There is a sale 10 for 15CAN$ (11 USD) __________________ HP A1310N desktop AMD Athlon 64 3700+ 2.2ghz 1Gig Ram Windows XP Pro SP2 LITE-ON DVDRW SHW-160H6S CS07 (came with manufactured HP desktop) SmartBurn:ON Hypertuning:OFF Overspeed:OFF Bitsetting:ON Liteon 411s@811s HS0K patched (shelved) Benq DW1640 fw BSKB (shelved)

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rdgrimes Retired Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Deadwood Posts: 11,449	tutifruiti2 Please read the Kprobe thread and the PI/PO thread. You are scanning incorrectly, which makes it impossible to compare your scans with those of others. Upgrading your drive to an 811 won't fix hardware problems, but you may find a FW version that likes the CMC more. Burn one at 4x instead of 2.4x, and scan one correctly and check back.

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Ssseth Retired Senior Moderator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Canada - Hockey Capital of the World! Posts: 4,142	This media should work good in your burner as well. __________________ I survived 30,000 posts in the Quest for the Longest Thread on CD Freaks! and all I got was a lousy T-shirt! Ssseth likes pickles and loves wallpaper.

05-04-2004	#17 (permalink)
rua_rednecks New on Forum Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 25	wesociety did a great job with the NEC troubleshooting guide in the NEC forum. NEC Troubleshooting If you read the guide many of the same solutions apply to liteon drives. In my case I was having the exact problems as tutifruiti2 is having except different media code. For me uninstalling Intel Application Accelerator did the trick and I could burn the entire disk and have it play completely in my player. Edit: Fixed link Last edited by Ssseth; 05-04-2004 at 19:56.

06-04-2004	#20 (permalink)
Stoner CD Freaks Troll Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,358	Great scans RDG. Been using HS0K lately, burning at 8x w/ the Memorex 4x DVD+R. Got no prob playing them on my Sony set top and 166S. But the the PI could be better. Gonna flash to HS0P tonight and try again. BTW, to whoever's keep yelling "it's not the drive", look at your drive. It's not an original, don't expect so much.

06-04-2004	#24 (permalink)
tutifruiti2 CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 45	more data to be analized and interpreted Burned a DVD movie image (.img) file using Stomp Recordnow 2.5 507 with my same TDK DVD+R 4x (CMC MAG F01) media (supposively faulty). Then made 2 scan with Kprobe: one at 2x speed and the other at 3x. You can compare the 2 pictures and tell me what speed i shall I use to make my scans since I actually burned my DVD+R at 2.4X 1) TDK DVD+R 4x (CMC MAG F01), Kprobe at 2x 2) TDK DVD+R 4x (CMC MAG F01), Kprobe at 3x ---- 3) Data compilation (4.3 gigs), using Nero 5.5... Bitsettings (DVD-ROM). 2.4X burning speed. Used Maxell 4X DVD+R media (RICOHJPNR01) bought at futureshop today! Scan was made with kprobe at 3x. This is bad.... Should I start to suspect that my Liteon 411s is faulty since my scans with either TDK and Maxell medias looks alike? What should be my next step? (change firmware), Which one should I choose? Thanks you so much guys. This is such a ressourceful forum Frank __________________ HP A1310N desktop AMD Athlon 64 3700+ 2.2ghz 1Gig Ram Windows XP Pro SP2 LITE-ON DVDRW SHW-160H6S CS07 (came with manufactured HP desktop) SmartBurn:ON Hypertuning:OFF Overspeed:OFF Bitsetting:ON Liteon 411s@811s HS0K patched (shelved) Benq DW1640 fw BSKB (shelved)

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tutifruiti2 CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 45	IAA forgot to say that I am not using IAA. Thanks for the suggestion though __________________ HP A1310N desktop AMD Athlon 64 3700+ 2.2ghz 1Gig Ram Windows XP Pro SP2 LITE-ON DVDRW SHW-160H6S CS07 (came with manufactured HP desktop) SmartBurn:ON Hypertuning:OFF Overspeed:OFF Bitsetting:ON Liteon 411s@811s HS0K patched (shelved) Benq DW1640 fw BSKB (shelved)

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