1693s buffer size? - Club CDFreaks

bmorgan98 · 07-04-2005

http://www.liteonit.com/odd/English/..._sohw1693s.asp

take a look at the buffer size? i would have thought buffers would get larger not smaller?

*chok0* · 07-04-2005

lol, the lite-on site is really messed up. just look a t the specs of 1633s...

don't worry, i think it will have a 2mb buffer, too. and even if not, you can get a 1673s and crossflash it.

Viper5700 · 07-04-2005

I think that the site may be true. With computers getting bigger memory, faster subsystems, and faster and bigger hard disks, the effect of a buffer is being minimized. Also, at 4x burn speed, a 8MB buffer would be empited in roughly two seconds. So the current generation 2MB buffers are emptied in less than one second. So, the bigger buffers really dont make that big of a difference.

bmorgan98 · 08-04-2005

yea but aint a bigger buffer size gonna help towards a better overall quality of burns?

Viper5700 · 08-04-2005

Not really. Most drives shut off thier laser when the buffer is empty, therefore saving your disc. A bigger buffer just prevents this, but it really doesnt harm the disc any.

z24 · 08-04-2005

this is some kind of joke right ........

1.5mb?? really strange cause it still cause them one chip which die size would be the same and price souldn't be too much different to 2mb??

abalone · 08-04-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viper5700

Not really. Most drives shut off thier laser when the buffer is empty, therefore saving your disc. A bigger buffer just prevents this, but it really doesnt harm the disc any.

Actually, buffer underrun will waste you several sector of the disc. So it may be bad for disc paranoid.

So is it still possible to crossflash 1673s to 1693s if the buffer size is different?

Pac · 08-04-2005

As long as they don't give 8 mb of buffer, i still hope we can crossflash 1673S to 1693S

*Namoh* · 08-04-2005

I really hope all DVD burners will have 8Mb buffer like the PX-716.

bmorgan98 · 08-04-2005

yea you see a smaller buffer would lead to a faster buffer underrun. PI's would definitely be higher and more frequent.

*bichonn* · 08-04-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by abalone

So is it still possible to crossflash 1673s to 1693s if the buffer size is different?

COdeKing will probably have to change a binary section of the FW, before being able to work on a 1673 without producing coasters.
I think this should be "easy"

for some one who knows where are these digits within this hexadecimal fw. ???

Viper5700 · 08-04-2005

buffer underruns arent really that frequent anymore, though. Like I said, with the faster disk and memory subsystems in todays computers, they can handle it quite efficeintly.

macrino20 · 08-04-2005

I think that something like Nero Ultrabuffer can help us to solve this, because it can handle another buffer, using up to 40% of our installed RAM, preventing the buffer underrun more time than the installed on the burner...
or I'm wrong?

Viper5700 · 08-04-2005

yeah, thats true. That would help quite a bit. but it can only go up to 80MB. So people with hugew amounts of RAM would be quite dissapointed when they find that out, but 80 is better than 2 or 8. :P

*chok0* · 09-04-2005

the buffer will be 2mb, i don't know why there's 1.5mb on the lite-on site. that would make absolutely no sense.

abalone · 09-04-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by macrino20

I think that something like Nero Ultrabuffer can help us to solve this, because it can handle another buffer, using up to 40% of our installed RAM, preventing the buffer underrun more time than the installed on the burner...
or I'm wrong?

I agree buffer is not very important nowadays. But I really concern about the crossflashing. Also, 1673s seems more worth to buy as it has larger buffer. (Unless Liteon sells 1693s cheaper than 1673s

)

Just like the green LED, it doesn't affect the burn quality, it just spoils fun.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chok0

the buffer will be 2mb, i don't know why there's 1.5mb on the lite-on site. that would make absolutely no sense.

Hopefully, it is true

If Liteon really make it 1.5M, it may be the first DVDWriter in the world with the smallest buffer size.

nosq · 14-04-2005

That sucks, I just got a 1673s drive. And now they just got a new one, with DL-R.

If i used firmware from 1693 on 1673, would i be able to use burn DL-R cd's?

**C0deKing** · 14-04-2005

I just looked again, at the 1693S page on Liteon's site, and it now says 2MB. Must have been a mistake.

*chok0* · 14-04-2005

@nosq
yes, it will be possible to flash crossflash your drive to a 1693S.

nosq · 14-04-2005

@chok0
Cool. I'm new by the way, the lite-on 1679s is my first DVD burner.

*chok0* · 14-04-2005

i really don't care if my drive can burn any -r format. i only use +r discs and especially with a liteon it's neccessary for quality burns...

*koolaidwa* · 14-04-2005

i bet a few liteon employe's are mebers here and read all this

Diseree · 15-04-2005

According to revised PDF, buffer size is increased to 2MB. but....
1673S Buffer size : 2MB
1693S Buffer size : 2MB (max)

'max'........a subtle term.

*chok0* · 15-04-2005

they write (max), as the buffer isn't fully used everytime.

Viper5700 · 15-04-2005

Ahh, isnt buisness marketing interesting? :P

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bmorgan98 CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: N ireland Posts: 41	1693s buffer size? <a href='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a13febf7&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE' target='_blank'><img src='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/avw.php?zoneid=30&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE&n=a13febf7' border='0' alt='' /></a> http://www.liteonit.com/odd/English/..._sohw1693s.asp take a look at the buffer size? i would have thought buffers would get larger not smaller?

07-04-2005	#2 (permalink)
chok0 CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Trenchtown, Germaica Posts: 2,455	Re: 1693s buffer size? lol, the lite-on site is really messed up. just look a t the specs of 1633s... don't worry, i think it will have a 2mb buffer, too. and even if not, you can get a 1673s and crossflash it.

07-04-2005	#3 (permalink)
Viper5700 CD Freaks Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 141	Re: 1693s buffer size? I think that the site may be true. With computers getting bigger memory, faster subsystems, and faster and bigger hard disks, the effect of a buffer is being minimized. Also, at 4x burn speed, a 8MB buffer would be empited in roughly two seconds. So the current generation 2MB buffers are emptied in less than one second. So, the bigger buffers really dont make that big of a difference. __________________ Sony DRU-830A A7N8X-E Deluxe AMD 2700+ 1GB RAM 500+250+External 160GB

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bmorgan98 CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: N ireland Posts: 41	Re: 1693s buffer size? yea but aint a bigger buffer size gonna help towards a better overall quality of burns?

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Viper5700 CD Freaks Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 141	Re: 1693s buffer size? Not really. Most drives shut off thier laser when the buffer is empty, therefore saving your disc. A bigger buffer just prevents this, but it really doesnt harm the disc any. __________________ Sony DRU-830A A7N8X-E Deluxe AMD 2700+ 1GB RAM 500+250+External 160GB

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08-04-2005	#6 (permalink)
z24 CD Freaks Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 152	Re: 1693s buffer size? this is some kind of joke right ........ 1.5mb?? really strange cause it still cause them one chip which die size would be the same and price souldn't be too much different to 2mb??

08-04-2005	#8 (permalink)
Pac CD Freaks Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 174	Re: 1693s buffer size? As long as they don't give 8 mb of buffer, i still hope we can crossflash 1673S to 1693S

08-04-2005	#9 (permalink)
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bmorgan98 CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: N ireland Posts: 41	Re: 1693s buffer size? yea you see a smaller buffer would lead to a faster buffer underrun. PI's would definitely be higher and more frequent.

08-04-2005	#12 (permalink)
Viper5700 CD Freaks Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 141	Re: 1693s buffer size? buffer underruns arent really that frequent anymore, though. Like I said, with the faster disk and memory subsystems in todays computers, they can handle it quite efficeintly. __________________ Sony DRU-830A A7N8X-E Deluxe AMD 2700+ 1GB RAM 500+250+External 160GB

08-04-2005	#13 (permalink)
macrino20 New on Forum Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1	Re: 1693s buffer size? I think that something like Nero Ultrabuffer can help us to solve this, because it can handle another buffer, using up to 40% of our installed RAM, preventing the buffer underrun more time than the installed on the burner... or I'm wrong?

08-04-2005	#14 (permalink)
Viper5700 CD Freaks Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 141	Re: 1693s buffer size? yeah, thats true. That would help quite a bit. but it can only go up to 80MB. So people with hugew amounts of RAM would be quite dissapointed when they find that out, but 80 is better than 2 or 8. :P __________________ Sony DRU-830A A7N8X-E Deluxe AMD 2700+ 1GB RAM 500+250+External 160GB

09-04-2005	#15 (permalink)
chok0 CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Trenchtown, Germaica Posts: 2,455	Re: 1693s buffer size? the buffer will be 2mb, i don't know why there's 1.5mb on the lite-on site. that would make absolutely no sense.

14-04-2005	#17 (permalink)
nosq New on Forum Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5	Re: 1693s buffer size? That sucks, I just got a 1673s drive. And now they just got a new one, with DL-R. If i used firmware from 1693 on 1673, would i be able to use burn DL-R cd's?

14-04-2005	#18 (permalink)
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15-04-2005	#23 (permalink)
Diseree CD Freaks Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tokyo Posts: 176	Re: 1693s buffer size? According to revised PDF, buffer size is increased to 2MB. but.... 1673S Buffer size : 2MB 1693S Buffer size : 2MB (max) 'max'........a subtle term. __________________ Intertraverse, anglo-arab, chestnut gelding - sold Krinji, thoroughbred, bay gelding (Sire: Maruzensky) - dead Diseree, KWPN, darkbay mare (Sire: Jasper) - dead Melody-R, KWPN, darkbay mare (Sire: G.Ramiro-Z) Bullshark, throughbred, bay gelding (Sire: Maruzensky) - sold Chorus, grey filly (Sire:Cassini-I x Dam:Melody-R) Oat Hayahide, throughbred, grey stallion (Sire: Biwahayahide)

14-04-2005	#19 (permalink)
chok0 CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Trenchtown, Germaica Posts: 2,455	Re: 1693s buffer size? @nosq yes, it will be possible to flash crossflash your drive to a 1693S.

14-04-2005	#20 (permalink)
nosq New on Forum Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5	Re: 1693s buffer size? @chok0 Cool. I'm new by the way, the lite-on 1679s is my first DVD burner.

14-04-2005	#21 (permalink)
chok0 CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Trenchtown, Germaica Posts: 2,455	Re: 1693s buffer size? i really don't care if my drive can burn any -r format. i only use +r discs and especially with a liteon it's neccessary for quality burns...

14-04-2005	#22 (permalink)
koolaidwa CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: WA State Posts: 747	Re: 1693s buffer size? i bet a few liteon employe's are mebers here and read all this

15-04-2005	#24 (permalink)
chok0 CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Trenchtown, Germaica Posts: 2,455	Re: 1693s buffer size? they write (max), as the buffer isn't fully used everytime.

15-04-2005	#25 (permalink)
Viper5700 CD Freaks Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 141	Re: 1693s buffer size? Ahh, isnt buisness marketing interesting? :P __________________ Sony DRU-830A A7N8X-E Deluxe AMD 2700+ 1GB RAM 500+250+External 160GB

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