what is technical different between hihg speed cd-rw and non high speed - Club CDFreaks

boxmaster · 08-03-2004

Hello.I have a problem. I don't know what is technical difference between low speed (1x-4x) and high speed (4x-10x or 4x-12x) writers.And for example i have cd-rw disk and it can be burned into 4x speed and i can't burn it with high speed drives (4x-12x rewritable).Can anyone help me? Sorry for my english

arun_34 · 08-03-2004

If you have 4x-10x speed cdrw , u simply cant write it with more than 10x because it is not certified to burn with more than 10x .

gerekmez · 08-03-2004

Also about cdrw you can use it only few times then silver
plate cannot be burn. Everytime when you burn your cdrw size
become less than original size.

boxmaster · 08-03-2004

Why i can't write with a cd-rw drive witch is compatible 1x-4x in CD-RW disk witch is compatible with 4x-10x? Why older buner can't write to this disc?

*Mr. Belvedere* · 08-03-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by boxmaster
Why i can't write with a cd-rw drive witch is compatible 1x-4x in CD-RW disk witch is compatible with 4x-10x?

Arwuh ?

//guess mode on//

cd-recorder can write cd-rw's from 1 - 4 speed
cd-rw disc is compatible with 4 - 10 speed

//guess mode off//

Depends. The media compatibility list in your writer could not recognize your cd-rw. Perhaps new firmware ?

arun_34 · 08-03-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by gerekmez
Also about cdrw you can use it only few times then silver
plate cannot be burn. Everytime when you burn your cdrw size
become less than original size.

I seriously doubt that . only if you format a cdrw , it gets back its original certified data size unless you are trying to create a muiltsession cds .

hope u understand the difference between blank cd and muiltsession cds .

gerekmez · 09-03-2004

My point is: you cannot burn your cdrw forever! Everytime when you save something on cdrw you need to burn your silver plate and that isnt like to save something on harddisk plate. I used cdrw before and burn it many times but now I cannot rewrite anything on it.

*$CyBeRwIz$* · 09-03-2004

What do you mean by "I can't write?" Does anything happen? Maybe use different media?

*BoSkin* · 09-03-2004

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Originally posted by gerekmez

My point is: you cannot burn your cdrw forever!

No, if followed all the necessary precautions, CD-RW has a lifetime of appoximately 30 years.

Quote:

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Fujifilm CD-RW, with its unique, high-sensitivity phase-change recording layer, boasts a wide power margin to assure broad drive read compatibility, including multi-read CD-ROM, DVD-ROM, DVD-R and DVD-RAM drives. Fujifilm CD-RW discs have superior longevity, offering over a million read passes without data degradation. And for archiving they are one of the most reliable formats available.

boxmaster · 09-03-2004

You don't understand me. Why egzists two types of cd-rw drives?Hi speed (4x-10x) and low speed (1x-4x old drives).Why?

*Mr. Belvedere* · 09-03-2004

We tech people call that innovation.

Coud you please click on the reply button inside the original thread , instead of making a new thread every time ?

TIA

**Hemispasm** · 09-03-2004

I guess he means why do older burners that are compatible to write rw media x4 max can not write high speed media certified for x10 max.

I suppose the incompatability lies in firmware to protect you from an innevitably very bad quality burn with high speed media. Older burners lack the write strategy to write on these media.

arun_34 · 09-03-2004

well gerekmez BoSkin here proved you wrong . but of course , there is every chance of getting a cdrw which is not of good quality and u may not expect it to work forever .

@BoSkin , thanks for the info . i have a few Imation ultra speed cdrw . i want to know if they are good .

boxmaster · 09-03-2004

Thank you, sorry for my english and my behaviuor in this forum , i am learning. Thank you

*BoSkin* · 09-03-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by arun_34

i have a few Imation ultra speed cdrw . i want to know if they are good .

It is rather hard to say, since I've no experience with them.
But... as far as I'm able to recall it, rdgrimes wasn't really happy about them.
It would be interesting to find out if I could remember it right.

**Da_Taxman** · 09-03-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr. Belvedere
Coud you please click on the reply button inside the original thread , instead of making a new thread every time ?

Merged all threads (may look strange here though)

arun_34 · 09-03-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by BoSkin

as far as I'm able to recall it, rdgrimes wasn't really happy about them.

gerekmez · 17-03-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by arun_34
well gerekmez BoSkin here proved you wrong . but of course , there is every chance of getting a cdrw which is not of good quality and u may not expect it to work forever .

Not exactly arun_34, I still cannot use my POS Mr.Platinum cd-rw disk. I buyed it 4 years ago and seems cd-rw already completed a lifetime of approximately 30 years.

*BoSkin* · 17-03-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by gerekmez

I buyed it 4 years ago and seems cd-rw already completed a lifetime of approximately 30 years.

Please buy a more decent media next time. The Fuji, Verbatim (MCC), Plasmon CD-RW are among the best.

gerekmez · 17-03-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by BoSkin
Please buy a more decent media next time. The Fuji, Verbatim (MCC), Plasmon CD-RW are among the best.

Now I prefer cd-r media, I have a lot of Princo. I think cdrw isnt much necessary, cd-r is pretty much cheaper than cd-rw.

*BoSkin* · 18-03-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by gerekmez

Now I prefer cd-r media, I have a lot of Princo.

Princo ?

Looks like you're pretty much on the same track.

gerekmez · 18-03-2004

why? whats wrong with Princo?

*BoSkin* · 18-03-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by gerekmez

why? whats wrong with Princo?

LOL. Search for Princo to view the comments.

There's nothing better than Taiyo Yuden !

*Ssseth* · 18-03-2004

boxmaster did you find your answer?

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boxmaster New on Forum Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Lithuania Posts: 6	what is technical different between hihg speed cd-rw and non high speed <a href='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/ck.php?n=a13febf7&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE' target='_blank'><img src='http://adstats.cdfreaks.com/www/delivery/avw.php?zoneid=30&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE&n=a13febf7' border='0' alt='' /></a> Hello.I have a problem. I don't know what is technical difference between low speed (1x-4x) and high speed (4x-10x or 4x-12x) writers.And for example i have cd-rw disk and it can be burned into 4x speed and i can't burn it with high speed drives (4x-12x rewritable).Can anyone help me? Sorry for my english

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arun_34 CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 3rd World Posts: 437	If you have 4x-10x speed cdrw , u simply cant write it with more than 10x because it is not certified to burn with more than 10x . __________________ Knowledge is Power ( source : cdfreaks.com ) Official News : My new computer has the following configurations Intel Pentium-4 2.8GHZ 512MB DDR-333 RAM Intel Original 865GBF MOBO Geforce 4 MX-440 64mb AGP-8X 80GB 7200RPM HDD " Lead me not into temptation. I know my own way. "

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gerekmez New on Forum Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: istanbul Posts: 19	Also about cdrw you can use it only few times then silver plate cannot be burn. Everytime when you burn your cdrw size become less than original size. __________________ oy farfara farfara...

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boxmaster New on Forum Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Lithuania Posts: 6	But why i can't write? Why i can't write with a cd-rw drive witch is compatible 1x-4x in CD-RW disk witch is compatible with 4x-10x? Why older buner can't write to this disc?

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gerekmez New on Forum Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: istanbul Posts: 19	My point is: you cannot burn your cdrw forever! Everytime when you save something on cdrw you need to burn your silver plate and that isnt like to save something on harddisk plate. I used cdrw before and burn it many times but now I cannot rewrite anything on it. __________________ oy farfara farfara...

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boxmaster New on Forum Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Lithuania Posts: 6	High speed You don't understand me. Why egzists two types of cd-rw drives?Hi speed (4x-10x) and low speed (1x-4x old drives).Why?

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Mr. Belvedere CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Cthulhu Ninja Zombie Posts: 14,667	We tech people call that innovation. Coud you please click on the reply button inside the original thread , instead of making a new thread every time ? TIA __________________ I might be evil. Want to make dvd movie backups? Take the 5-step or the 2-step process. Fun, fast and free!

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Hemispasm Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bye bye Navy, here comes Sweden!! Posts: 4,083	I guess he means why do older burners that are compatible to write rw media x4 max can not write high speed media certified for x10 max. I suppose the incompatability lies in firmware to protect you from an innevitably very bad quality burn with high speed media. Older burners lack the write strategy to write on these media. __________________ [Airhead]: How the devil?! I got 69! I am a french lesbian! Hemi HATES wallpapers AND pickles ........ never forget that There is one thing more evil than pickles, and that is STATISTICS...

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arun_34 CD Freaks Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 3rd World Posts: 437	well gerekmez BoSkin here proved you wrong . but of course , there is every chance of getting a cdrw which is not of good quality and u may not expect it to work forever . @BoSkin , thanks for the info . i have a few Imation ultra speed cdrw . i want to know if they are good . __________________ Knowledge is Power ( source : cdfreaks.com ) Official News : My new computer has the following configurations Intel Pentium-4 2.8GHZ 512MB DDR-333 RAM Intel Original 865GBF MOBO Geforce 4 MX-440 64mb AGP-8X 80GB 7200RPM HDD " Lead me not into temptation. I know my own way. "

09-03-2004	#14 (permalink)
boxmaster New on Forum Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Lithuania Posts: 6	Thanks for Hemispasm Thank you, sorry for my english and my behaviuor in this forum , i am learning. Thank you

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gerekmez New on Forum Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: istanbul Posts: 19	why? whats wrong with Princo? __________________ oy farfara farfara...

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